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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Techno and drum n bass for you then.

Every so often I'll listen to drum n bass, and I like it -- for about two hours. Techno, however, looks at least somewhat promising to me. Don't know if it can ever take the place of trance, but I'm looking into it.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Every so often I'll listen to drum n bass, and I like it -- for about two hours. Techno, however, looks at least somewhat promising to me. Don't know if it can ever take the place of trance, but I'm looking into it.

Seems like you have been exposed to too much techstep/darkstep, which isn't very listener friendly. Try these:

Artemis - Elysian Fields
LTJ Bukem - Music
Blame - Revival
High Contrast - Return Of Forever
Alley Cat & Tha Countamen - Iodine
Omni Trio - Who Are You?
Future Cut - Obsession

and everything from Moving Shadow and Good Looking Recs.

Also, here are some more "uplifting" techno tracks, that isn't of the usual loop techno-stuff that most ppl seem to think that techno is all about around here:

Clark - Christo
Samuel L Session - Velvet (Funk D'Void Mix)
Funk D'Void - Emotional Content
Christian Morgenstern - Hawaii Blue
Ronny Priest - Tracked Romance
Paul Kalkbrenner - Seaquest
Noise Ltd. - The Highest Evolution

See what you think

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Originally posted by Dj Odelpha prog is the answer.

Although I can fully enjoy the prog sound I'm definetly getting the most kicks out of faster, high-energy tracks. Something prog can't seem to deliver (even though there is nothing in it's definition that prohibits it from going faster). If nothing else I definetly need the energy when I'm on the dancefloor...

Hence, I'm looking more into tech-influenced sounds in my trance these days.

However, I do agree with those of you who feel the melodic/uplifting trance sounds a bit too similar these days (that's somewhat of an understatement). Being an avid trance-listener since 1992/1993 the turning point for me came around 98/99. This was when the anthem/uplifting/euphoric trance exploded in the clubs of europe (together with mitsies it seems...any connection perhaps?).

Commercially, trance got bigger than ever and the cookie-cutter form was cut into stone (or what seems to be something more like adamantium really). Obviously this hampered creativity and todays harsh economic reality for the record labels are not exactly inspiring them to go out on a limb, if you get my drift.

Nowadays, every bedroom DJ spinns the same stuff (yes, I can also be accused of this from time to time) and it's the same tracks that get's hyped on all the boards on the net. This will not last and as Ishkur put it, producers/DJs following this formula is living on borrowed time. Eventually something has to give. Prog doesn't seem to be the answer (to me at least). Despite its highly louded "creativity" it to tends to shy away from diversity (in the broad sense of the word).

I have no idea what will come next but it will sure be interesting to watch

How do you define progressive?
How do you define trance?
How do you define it's dead?
How do you define music?
How do you define sth being good or bad?
How do you define life?
Or do you actually think we're not dead now?

Nm what's above. Consider it as a spam.

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Originally posted by starstarman How do you define progressive? How do you define trance? How do you define it's dead? How do you define music? How do you define sth being good or bad? How do you define life? Or do you actually think we're not dead now? Nm what's above. Consider it as a spam.

how do you define stfu?

Let's consider trance's lifespan. Modern dance music went through three stages:

90-94 Rave- This was the time of rave, hardcore, acid house and various other old-skool stuff. The music was about the experience, the freedom and the drugs.

95-98 Big Beat- Dance music puts a suit on and sells itself to the general public. Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, latter-day Prodigy, you know the score.

99-? Trance- The 4/4 beat dominates the dancefloor. Trance, hardhouse and today's music styles emerge from many underground years and have so far proved unmoveable.

Put simply, how long has trance got left as the dominant music style? Hell trance has been around since 91 time when Jam & Spoon, Paul van Dyk et al invented it. Its lasted a hell of a lot longer than any other electronic music style. Where are the producers working on something new? Is it simply too easy to slap some vocals behind a cheesy synth line and some easy 4/4 beats and continue to sell in big numbers?

In 1999/2000 the trance scene divided. Before then all music was experimental, it wasn't the same as anything else because it was new. Then DJ Jurgen and co. introduced pop-trance to the charts, and the scene caved in.

Now there's the serious clubbing fraternity, who shun the chart and live in their self-maintained scene. They don't release albums because they don't care: their vinyls are doing the rounds and they are impressing the right people. This side doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks, because they won't break through to them.

Then there's the commercial side, which cannbalises the trance scene to sell to mindless teenage zombies. Back in the day there was no divide, and artists could make classic anthems and they would sell. I think the last instrumental to climb the chart in the UK was PPK at the end of 2001. Since then its been vocals all the way.

Is there an escape passage out of this, or shall we just burn trance and start afresh? I don't know and I don't care. This scene's too big to kill, too epic to ever get over-familiar with. There's always another round of block rockin beats to be discovered, always another fledgling artist to follow. Trance may have died, but its gonna take it a while to realise. In the meantime, sit back and enjoy it.

Is trance is going to die out, why worry about it? There's really not much you can do. Unless all of the TA producers come in here and read this thread.

Trying listening to different DJ's for a different dosage of trance.

I don't care where trance is headed because I know it can't live forever and following my musicical preferences, it changes every 5 years or so in 2 years i'll have moved onto something new.

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Originally posted by Carona it changes every 5 years or so in 2 years i'll have moved onto something new.

what kind of new things? new things like heavy rock, rap or something close to trance like, techno?

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Originally posted by swe_Trancer what kind of new things? new things like heavy rock, rap or something close to trance like, techno?

If I knew that, I wouldn't be posting on here

When I was 10 I use to listen to groups like Soundgarden, Nirvana, Offspring, I guess u could that stuff grunge or punk. I then got into rap when I was about 14 or so and that took over as the main genre of music I listened till all the way up until I discoverd trance a few years ago when I was about 18.

I always seem to discover something different because I tend to get bored with a certain genre. Like alot of people have said, too much of one thing is a bad thing. For example, the past 3 years i've pretty much only listened to trance I think it's done more harm then good. I'm not quite bored of trance yet but I definetly think I need a break from it but that can be hard when your bored and u have 2 turntables and 170 vinyls sitting in the room next to you

It may venture into a different genre of Electronica because music without lyrics is more my thing. I found myself only listening to rap primarely because of the beats, not the lyrics.

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Originally posted by Carona It may venture into a different genre of Electronica because music without lyrics is more my thing. I found myself only listening to rap primarely because of the beats, not the lyrics.

try techno
I myself take breaks from trance about a week or so

I agree with a post made a while ago in this thread. Weekly sets like ASOT really overspoil us. I mean, how can you expect NEW and AMAZING stuff to come out every week? I certainly don't expect it to happen.

Since I'm not a DJ, just a fan, and good trance clubs aren't existant, sets like ASOT or a lot of the livesets that get airplay give me the opportunity to hear a selection of newer stuff that I don't get a chance to do on my own. I might not like all of it, but I look back and remember not liking everything in say... Sasha's NYE set of...was it 1999?

So I try to listen to sets of artists I've enjoyed, and dabble in other ones as well. I loved some of G&D's stuff this year, and while I've enjoyed Tiesto in the past he hasn't lived up to my expectations lately, but producers i used to like such as Mauro Picotto got my juices flowing again.

I think if you stick to one genre of electronic music, you're really limiting yourself and setting yourself up for disappointment. While there are enough quality producers for each genre, its still not enough to fill the void of new and fresh music.

And, as an aside, I like "rock your body rock" because it reminds me of that breakbeat stuff that came out around the time that breakdancing was just a 'black thing', You know- stuff like Laid Back- White Horse, Jam On It... except corsten added a DJ Jurgen/cheeze edge to it, but for some reason I like it.

Well most of you long time trance listeners.....yeah the Uplifting/Melodic/ASOT stuff is probably really really old now....

But for someone like me who's only been listening to trance for about a year or so, and discovered trance through even cheesier music (Sammy etc.....don't worry I've seen the light and stopped listening to his crap), I'm still stuck in 98. Couple that with my lack of filesharing....so I have to actually buy things....and I'm still listening to the Melodic stuff....

And also, when you have no file sharing, sometimes you have to look online for good amature acts - and find a lot of good talent that way.

U all suck..4 x 4 138 bpm odd dance music with some melody (trance) will always be around..it isnt going anywhere...
yes j00f is great
Christopher Lawrence always manages to do something new and exciting
I rock the shop everytime :blush:
Tiesto's sound is evolving into something quite exciting
Frank Massif is making some great NEW stuff
2 PLayers bring in the goods..


Its not going anywhere...just new peoPLe are making it werk

look further than the big 4....

After seeing most of the replies to this thread, I am disgusted to be on the same forum as you people. Cobalt, 'just say no to a state of trance?' how about, 'just say no to cobalt?' ishkur, your way of thinking is dwarfed by everyone else who can truly call themselves 'tranceaddicts'. you dont like whats playing now? find somewhere else to bitch and moan about it. you cant change the way things go, and some of us dont see it going downhill like in your preposterous ways. kthxbye.

give it a few years and we will all be listening to Northern Exposure imatations again

why are we ressurecting this thread...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller why are we ressurecting this thread...

lol..... because it must return!! anyways..... my opinion can definitely go both ways. sometimes trance nowadays does sound similar and reptetive, but there is always something new and different that catches my ear. i defenitely think that the internet and accessibility of trance has affected the genre a lot. i used to go to the local best buy or cd store and buy those stupid cds that are titled, "Pure Trance" or "The Perfect Trance". and those would satisfy me for a couple months. but now that i recently started spinning w/ production slowly coming together, I know where to find the most recent releases at chemical records or juno and i listen to live sets that i d/led etc. there is so much more selection to listen to now. i think it is because of this expanded selection that a lot of the new trance tracks overlap and sound similar. but stuck in between all these new productions, there are still large numbers of producers who experiment with different sounds and change it up a bit. just gotta be patient.

let it die ffs

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Originally posted by torontotrance Hence why, I've diversified my music habits. I went into breaks, tech-house and chill out. I still love trance more than anything else but I think people need to branch out.

why do people NEED to do something, its there opinion and likes, not yours. whats wrong with someone likeing todays trance? damn grow up

and i cant really argue with th thread starter because i didnt even know what EDM[any kind] was even in 2001, so i couldnt tell you. But for me, i love todays melodic and hard trance

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