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Originally posted by d!abolic You do realize that if you're not even engaged to this girl, you're simply using whatever possibility of future marriage there may be as an excuse to not feel like a sucker because you're paying for everything?

OK. You do realize that there is no right or wrong answer to this question. If you don't like to pay for things no one is forcing you to. For those people who do not have a problem with paying for things, there is nothing wrong with it.

Not everyone is talking about the same thing in this thread. Some people have made reference to first dates, some to long tern relationships. There is a big difference between the two.

RJ is in a long term relationship with someone he obviously cares deeply about and is willing to share everything with . That scenario does not a sucker make.

Just because someone is willing to give of themselves emotionally and financially does not make them weak. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

I can understand if you are not willing to make yourself vulnerable in that way, that is your choice, but don't pass judgement on people who are willing to do something you are not just because you have had bad expereinces.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess Well, once women actually do get equal rights in the work force then they can pick up all the checks but unfortunately this is still not the case. You keep on stating this point but in fact women still make less money and have crappier jobs, so therefore, your ongoing repetition of "equal rights end when the check arrives" is wrong. Equality hasn't started yet so how can it end?

Can you illustrate a current example of women not getting equal pay? everywhere ive worked and everyone i know is getting the same money. As for crappier jobs, thats very subjective because guess what? Many women take part time jobs in order to be there for their kids (this actually does still happen). To make comparisons you have to compare 2 identical jobs, not apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Agreed. It's called chivalry. Tip for the guys: a little chivalry goes a long way... try it sometime.

aaaah but feminists hate chivalry. I thought chivalry was machismo and wrong? Which is it? equal rights or chivalry? How about a little chivalrette?

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Originally posted by Skipper However, study after study show that women working the same job as men, on average, take home about 70% of a man's paycheque. FOR THE SAME WORK.

id like to see these studies and who authors them. Id also like to see if the compare the SAME WORK at the SAME COMPANY for the SAME NUMBER OF YEARS WORKED.

Studies like this leave a lot of room for subjectability.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess well, right now, i'm not personally going through that because all grad students get paid the same, but i see it around the faculty at the university. but comments from jayx1 bother me because there are people out there that think things are equal and they are not!

so you arent going through it but you see it.... hmmmmmmmm

I guess youve been personally opening everyone's paycheques? Interesting

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Originally posted by malek thats stupid. sorry.

i was just wondering that all....isnt it called a prenuptial agreement or something? some people so that. i personaly think its dumb as well.

Nothing can kill romance faster than the word prenup. But with about one in three of all first marriages ending in divorce, and 50 percent of second or third ones hitting the skids, a prenup is smart financial planning, legal and financial experts say.

"Think of it as a business arrangement or as an insurance policy to help remove some of the emotion that's naturally involved," says Nancy Dunnan, a New York City financial adviser and author. "Marriage is not just an emotional and physical union -- it's also a financial union. A prenup and the discussions that go with it can help ensure the financial well-being of the marriage."

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Can you illustrate a current example of women not getting equal pay? everywhere ive worked and everyone i know is getting the same money. As for crappier jobs, thats very subjective because guess what? Many women take part time jobs in order to be there for their kids (this actually does still happen). To make comparisons you have to compare 2 identical jobs, not apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 id like to see these studies and who authors them. Id also like to see if the compare the SAME WORK at the SAME COMPANY for the SAME NUMBER OF YEARS WORKED. Studies like this leave a lot of room for subjectability.

Anyone can skew stats...it doesn't follow that the mound of research out there is false.

If you honestly want evidence, I'll forward this thread to a friend who just finished a specialist degree, majoring in Industrial Relations, and who specifically did reserach on this very subject. You'll have plenty of examples of both unequal pay environments (yes, for the same work) and how there are plenty of reasons other than women's desire to stay with their kids that contribute to them ending up in lower positions (not that your example would somehow legitimize the disparity, even if it were true).

Why would "same work, same job" be necessary for a comparison...you don't think a company has ever given women a similar role to men, but called the position something else, thereby getting away with paying them less? I'm sure that would be one of the examples. "Admin Assistant" vs. "Office Clerk". See, it's easy. Two jobs, could be same work, could be a significant pay disparity.

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Originally posted by d!abolic LMAO, way to contradict!

I am not contradicting myself at all ! I would attempt to buy drinks for my boyfriend, but he doesn't drink. At all.

With what I said, I have no idea why you guys are disagreeing with it. When it comes down to it my bf and I spend equal amounts of money on eachother, he pays for dates, and I pay for other things. He just likes doing it that way, whats wrong with that???

eh, i'll be the nicest guy in the world to ANYbody,
let alone a girl on the first date....

having said that, its funny how women
bitch about these things called "equality rights"
and being fair, yet in this subject its
TOTALLY unfair and unequal....

but if i had big tits, a great body, and a cute smile,
i'd sure expect a free meal on the first date....

hypocrisy is unbelievable but understandable

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so you arent going through it but you see it.... hmmmmmmmm I guess youve been personally opening everyone's paycheques? Interesting

yes, prof salaries are open to the public.

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Originally posted by trancechaos i was just wondering that all....isnt it called a prenuptial agreement or something? some people so that. i personaly think its dumb as well. Nothing can kill romance faster than the word prenup. But with about one in three of all first marriages ending in divorce, and 50 percent of second or third ones hitting the skids, a prenup is smart financial planning, legal and financial experts say.

a prenup only guarantees you the money you came into the marriage with. not money you have together. and it only really applies if you come into the marriage with a load of cash and your significant other has nothing.

Well maybe it does exist still and maybe it doesnt. I guess i just cant comprehend it because id never pull it off. For example, my employees are all great but the 2 strongest workers happen to be women so guess who's first in line for raises?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Well maybe it does exist still and maybe it doesnt. I guess i just cant comprehend it because id never pull it off. For example, my employees are all great but the 2 strongest workers happen to be women so guess who's first in line for raises?

quizno's is not exactly the greatest example of what happens in the job market. and definitely not the sort of "careers" i'm talking about. of course women are going to be better in a service type job.

Dating: Why wont you girls admit that there are way too many women out there taking advantage of way too many "men".

And "men", quit being such pussies. There is a difference between being a good and nice guy and being a sucker.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess quizno's is not exactly the greatest example of what happens in the job market. and definitely not the sort of "careers" i'm talking about. of course women are going to be better in a service type job.

Oh i see, so now we are talking specific jobs. And the only example you site is your professors. Meanwhile im sure the list of salaries doesnt list years of experience, level of education etc etc right? So the complaint field just got even narrower for you.

and of course in your world this comment isnt sexist right?

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of course women are going to be better in a service type job.

meaning men are going to be worse at it

So by your logic maybe men are better professors?

This looks pretty equal to me

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Dyzenhaus David Professor of Law and Philosophy $133,479.18 $345.30 Easterbrook Stephen Michael Professor of Computer Science $128,466.00 $708.00 Eberts Cathy Associate Director, Administrative Management Systems $109,361.52 $444.54 Eccles Katherine Assistant Dean, Marketing and Communications $146,500.00 $292.32 Edmunds Michael Director of Information Commons $108,470.46 $529.32 Edwards Richard N Professor of Physics $104,969.19 $672.78 Eichler Margrit Professor of Education, Director Institute for Women's Studies & Gender Studies $123,425.88 $341.86 Eksteins Modris Professor of History $121,131.00 $506.28 El-Khoury Rodolphe Professor of Architecture, Landscape & Design $105,259.98 $1,124.67 Eleftheriades George Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering $116,095.54 $319.26 Elitzur Ramy Professor of Accounting & Executive Director, MBA Programs $182,000.00 $708.00 Ellen Richard P Professor and Associate Dean of Dentistry $142,859.04 $610.08 Elliott Thomas G Professor of Classics $104,170.98 $508.41 Ellison Philip A Professor & Acting Chair of Family & Community Medicine $136,048.44 $522.48 England Martin Assistant Vice-Provost $115,068.02 $297.66 Enright Wayne H Professor of Computer Science $109,230.03 $522.48 Erb Uve Professor and Associate Chair, Materials Science, Ontario Hydro Technologies NSERC Industrial Research Chair in Micro- Engineered Materials $111,736.38 $425.35 Ethier C Ross Professor of Mechanical and Industrial Engineering $114,297.08 $298.20 Etiemble Daniel Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering $170,899.96 $708.00 Evans Martin G Professor of Organizational Behaviour $110,280.81 $607.80 Evans Michael J Professor of Statistics $105,757.98 $294.00 Eyles Nicholas Professor of Enviromental Science $104,457.00 $436.68 Eyssen Gail Professor of Public Health Sciences $114,664.38 $559.56

my mom pays for my dates

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Originally posted by Jayx1 and of course in your world this comment isnt sexist right?

but you already know i'm sexist, so what is your point?

lol well at least you admit it

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Can you illustrate a current example of women not getting equal pay? everywhere ive worked and everyone i know is getting the same money. As for crappier jobs, thats very subjective because guess what? Many women take part time jobs in order to be there for their kids (this actually does still happen). To make comparisons you have to compare 2 identical jobs, not apples and oranges.

Jay, you work at Quiznos. We're not talking about the guys and gals toasting subs.

The only way to prove these things is through anonymous studies because talking about salary in the workplace is so taboo.

like i said, it would be interesting to see who authors the studies and whether or not they are comparing the same job, education, years of service etc. There are many things that leave subjectability.

Here's a good question and i'd say a more important one. Would everyone be up in arms if there were more women making better salaries than men?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 aaaah but feminists hate chivalry. I thought chivalry was machismo and wrong? Which is it? equal rights or chivalry? How about a little chivalrette?

women want both give em what they want and they will give you what you want

people, people.. you're forgetting Ladder Theory


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shadowwolf: you my friend are a suckah!

What about what i want?

I remember this friend i had who went on and on about spending $1000 on his gf's bday. So i said, what did she get you? He said "a card".

Wow... theres an equal relationship. And guess what? They both have the same job at the same company (with the same pay)

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Originally posted by Jayx1 shadowwolf: you my friend are a suckah!

no man, it works

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What about what i want?

Look after her needs first.

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I remember this friend i had who went on and on about spending $1000 on his gf's bday. So i said, what did she get you? He said "a card". Wow... theres an equal relationship. And guess what? They both have the same job at the same company (with the same pay)

did he get his?

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