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Posted by ShadoWolf on Aug-10-2004 17:33:

Why can't a man marry his sister? Maybe it could be wonderful!

I have that right and you can't tell me I don't.

...if I wanted to marry a goat, you can't stop me!

society is going down the drain IMO

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Seventil
I think my examples work perfectly. If our society let's this go, where do you draw the line? Sure, it's not socially acceptable right now for me (being 25) to sleep with a 12 year old girl, the same way 50 years ago it wasn't socially acceptable for 2 guys to walk around holding hands and kissing in public. It's slowly becoming "acceptable" because we need to be "sensitive to different people".

I may sound way right sided here, but fuck all that. I know your morals are different than the founding fathers, but I say we owe them that much respect to them to embrace the principles the country was found on.

Just my opinion...

but aren't our principles based on freedoms? should we reinstitute slavery too?

you sleeping with 12 yr olds may not be acceptable in the united states, but i assure you that there are societies that are accepting and marry off girls that young. do we find it acceptable...well no. its not for america, but that doesn't make it anymore wrong because we have a different as you put it "moral compass". there was also a time in our own history when women got married at 15, 16 years of age and in some parts of the united states still do. is that morally wrong? should we bang such practices? telling someone that is like telling you that you aren't allowed to practice your own beliefs. just because your morality seems to align closely to traditional viewpoints doesn't mean that it is the only acceptable form or viewpoint.

Posted by Slylee on Aug-10-2004 17:38:

yea but if we keep making homosexuality taboo, it will just get worse and worse....and i'm scared of what will become of those who are constantly told they can't do it and that it's wrong. they might go crazy.

there's too much gray area involved. i don't mind gay couples, although i get really grossed out if i see 2 guys kissing or holding hands...weirds me out...and i'm a girl. but i just deal with it and turn my head. i think we can "accept" it and turn our heads if it bothers us, but raising kids in a gay marriage is taking it too far. like i said, i've seen first hand what that can do to a kid (my friend i referred to before). it's just not right.

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 17:41:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Why can't a man marry his sister? Maybe it could be wonderful!

I have that right and you can't tell me I don't.

...if I wanted to marry a goat, you can't stop me!

society is going down the drain IMO

who says that their aren't people that are married to their sisters or goats? i'm not saying i've seen a man and goat announcement in the paper recently, but i assure you that there are people married to their sisters out there

Posted by Slylee on Aug-10-2004 17:45:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Why can't a man marry his sister? Maybe it could be wonderful!

I have that right and you can't tell me I don't.

...if I wanted to marry a goat, you can't stop me!

society is going down the drain IMO

i agree 100%. i don't think this is what our forefathers had in mind.

some of it can be stretched or accepted, but someone has to draw the line.

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 17:47:

but lemme guess...our forefathers really did want us to legalize marijuana right? its so funny how we all pick and choose what was intended and what was not...

Posted by Seventil on Aug-10-2004 17:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
but aren't our principles based on freedoms? should we reinstitute slavery too?

you sleeping with 12 yr olds may not be acceptable in the united states, but i assure you that there are societies that are accepting and marry off girls that young. do we find it acceptable...well no. its not for america, but that doesn't make it anymore wrong because we have a different as you put it "moral compass". there was also a time in our own history when women got married at 15, 16 years of age and in some parts of the united states still do. is that morally wrong? should we bang such practices? telling someone that is like telling you that you aren't allowed to practice your own beliefs. just because your morality seems to align closely to traditional viewpoints doesn't mean that it is the only acceptable form or viewpoint.

While I do understand your point, and I do believe America was based off of "Freedom" - we have to draw the line somewhere.

Homosexuality feels morally wrong to me (and a lot of people). It also did to our founding ancestors. While I see your point on slavery (being accepted back then) - it's not a fair argument to say that because they believed in slavery and not homosexuality, it should be ok.

The line must be drawn!

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Say no to the cock.

Unless you're a girl.

Posted by Orbax on Aug-10-2004 17:52:

ok found my axe, im leaving now

Posted by Slylee on Aug-10-2004 17:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
but lemme guess...our forefathers really did want us to legalize marijuana right? its so funny how we all pick and choose what was intended and what was not...

actually we CAN pick and chose. that's the problem here...we're NOT.

"Freedom of the Press"....yea, i'm sure they made that one so we can have hate websites and pornography of every kind of taboo sexual act known to man kind (beastiality being one of them).

just an example....but i can see your other points...just don't really agree.

Posted by Seventil on Aug-10-2004 17:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax

ok found my axe, im leaving now

That shit is hot!

EDIT: What the hell is in the upper left corner?

Posted by ShadoWolf on Aug-10-2004 18:00:

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 18:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Seventil
While I do understand your point, and I do believe America was based off of "Freedom" - we have to draw the line somewhere.

Homosexuality feels morally wrong to me (and a lot of people). It also did to our founding ancestors. While I see your point on slavery (being accepted back then) - it's not a fair argument to say that because they believed in slavery and not homosexuality, it should be ok.

The line must be drawn!

----------------------------

Say no to the cock.

Unless you're a girl.

so that's that huh? i think its wrong so it is. no solid opinions besides it "wasn't intended".

i think the real problem with today's society is the lack of rationale behind what we believe. We're all too wrapped up in tradition to see that a lot of it was bullshit to begin with. And yes i meant religion

of course with that all said...i'm having a lot of fun talking about this stuff hehehe . and i hope i haven't offended anyone because i wasn't trying to.

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
actually we CAN pick and chose. that's the problem here...we're NOT.

"Freedom of the Press"....yea, i'm sure they made that one so we can have hate websites and pornography of every kind of taboo sexual act known to man kind (beastiality being one of them).

just an example....but i can see your other points...just don't really agree.

i think i'm mostly playing devil's advocate here and just taking a viewpoint that is unpopular. i already stated my opinions on the topic of gay marriage, union, whatever you wanna call it. i'm just trying to open up converstaion.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Aug-10-2004 18:05:

Discuss.

Posted by tranceaholic on Aug-10-2004 18:09:

Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Aug-10-2004 18:12:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Discuss.

Used to have one and... never had one.

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 18:12:

what is the second pic? i can't see it...

Posted by ShadoWolf on Aug-10-2004 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
what is the second pic? i can't see it...

a hot ass....

...err..

...it's a lower back tattoo

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 18:15:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
a hot ass....

...err..

...it's a lower back tattoo

well i think as you said before shadowolf...i think both can be sexy, but sometimes its a little over done to be honest.

Posted by Seventil on Aug-10-2004 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
so that's that huh? i think its wrong so it is. no solid opinions besides it "wasn't intended".

i think the real problem with today's society is the lack of rationale behind what we believe. We're all too wrapped up in tradition to see that a lot of it was bullshit to begin with. And yes i meant religion

of course with that all said...i'm having a lot of fun talking about this stuff hehehe . and i hope i haven't offended anyone because i wasn't trying to.

Well, if you believe a religious standpoint is wrong on the case of homosexuality - what standpoint do you take? If you take an evolutionists sort of view, homosexuality would lead to population decrease and eventual extinction.

I like being all wrapped up in tradition. Call me old fashioned, but my heart yearns for a world where the virtue of a woman and chilvary actually existed. Men should not sleep with other men.

As for other examples of "bullshit tradition"... let me hear what you've got. It's going to be a hard argument trying to convince people that the world was a worse place with some old traditions...

BTW I'd say popular opinion is about 50/50 on this issue, so no need to defend the other team if you don't want to. I'm sure we'll attract some flaming left-siders sooner or later...

Posted by Slylee on Aug-10-2004 18:23:

yea i'm somewhere in the middle...leaning more towards being against gays...but like i said, i deal with it. i've had gay friends that i genuinely liked...as long as they didn't rant about their partner's penis size or sex life, everything was cool. lol

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Seventil
Well, if you believe a religious standpoint is wrong on the case of homosexuality - what standpoint do you take? If you take an evolutionists sort of view, homosexuality would lead to population decrease and eventual extinction.

I like being all wrapped up in tradition. Call me old fashioned, but my heart yearns for a world where the virtue of a woman and chilvary actually existed. Men should not sleep with other men.

As for other examples of "bullshit tradition"... let me hear what you've got. It's going to be a hard argument trying to convince people that the world was a worse place with some old traditions...

BTW I'd say popular opinion is about 50/50 on this issue, so no need to defend the other team if you don't want to. I'm sure we'll attract some flaming left-siders sooner or later...

as i already explained a couple of pages ago...i'm really just indifferent to gays. its doesn't effect my life so i don't concern myself with it.

what i was refering to more was your idealized sense of the united states and its traditional forms of moral guidance. religion is my favorite subject to argue about hehehe...as i'm sure anyone who's been on the forums very long could probably tell you. i didn't say that i approached homosexuality from a religious standpoint, i said that religion is what clouds the mind and takes meaning away from things. your last post said that "homosexuality feels morally wrong" to you. that's a complete cop out answer. what that is saying is that i really don't have any answer to you question except that i believe it because that's what i was taught. well, where did you obtain those outlooks, those values? if i had to guess i would say your family and some sort of religious guidance. and to that i say the same thing that i always say...how can you put faith into something that you have not discovered yourself?

and of course...i always try to point out that if self discovery leads you to a certain religion, then i have nothing to argue with you about because you obviously have some reason for believing...i just wish that you might share that reasoning with me because i personally can't believe in something without a rationale understanding of it. and of course religious people will say that faith is believing in something that you can't prove and then i'll just say, but why do you have faith and then they'll say that i don't know...you just have to and then we'll just be right back where we were...bla bla bla.. life is too short hehehe

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-10-2004 18:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
yea i'm somewhere in the middle...leaning more towards being against gays...but like i said, i deal with it. i've had gay friends that i genuinely liked...as long as they didn't rant about their partner's penis size or sex life, everything was cool. lol

yeah thats me too...i mean i'm not for gays, but i'm not gonna tell them that they can't be gay.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Aug-10-2004 18:36:

another popular trend - burberry.. thoughts?

Posted by ShadoWolf on Aug-10-2004 18:37:

I'm not against gays, just against gay "marriage."

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