Your favorite trance tune, that others call cheesy

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Posted by john2 on May-06-2005 13:29:

Voodoo & Serano - Overload (Instrumental Mix).Simply people call it cheesy cause it's from V&S

Posted by Hydarnes on May-06-2005 13:46:

quote:
Oceanlab - Clear Blue water (Ferry Corsten Mix)

You know things are getting bad when "clear blue water" is being called cheese.

Posted by AlphaStarred on May-06-2005 20:34:

Freezer - I Just Follow/Surrounded

brings back memories from 99' when i used to bump "World Of Dream & Trance" which features the two orig. mixes. I was thus compelled to buy the vinyl of late on account of nostalgia, even though i'd probly never include the tracks in a set...

btw, it's not remotely close to being one of my favs. but i like it nonetheless...

Posted by auranaut on May-06-2005 21:00:

Why do we even have this thread? Almost all trance is cheese.

Posted by websley on May-06-2005 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by auranaut
Why do we even have this thread? Almost all trance is cheese.

What kind of stupid comment is that?

Posted by auranaut on May-06-2005 21:02:

quote:
Originally posted by websley
What kind of stupid comment is that?

Prove me wrong.

Posted by websley on May-06-2005 21:16:

Most prog isn't... But I hate prog so I guess you've got a point, gheghe

No wait, then you got teh really old classic shit... Try cheesify that stuff, nOOb

Posted by auranaut on May-06-2005 21:20:

quote:
Originally posted by websley
Most prog isn't... But I hate prog so I guess you've got a point, gheghe

No wait, then you got teh really old classic shit... Try cheesify that stuff, nOOb

Prog isn't as cheesy, no, but then, it's not really trance. And let me rephrase that; almost all new trance is cheesy, not the old acid trance, but since noone gives a shit about that anymore... well, yeah.

Posted by retrobyte on May-06-2005 21:20:

I like Junior Vasquez's more anthemy stuff a lot more than I'd like to admit

Posted by DJ Sid on May-06-2005 21:33:

Anything by Ti�sto.

Posted by sw1 on May-06-2005 21:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
DJ Sammy - Heaven (extended mix)

Initially thought it was another cheesy dance cover, but it has grown on me. Nevertheless, it still is a cheesy dance cover!

Posted by Mr.Mystery on May-06-2005 21:45:

quote:
Originally posted by auranaut
Prove me wrong.

I haven't seen you prove yourself right yet...

Posted by Col on May-06-2005 21:47:

Haha, I love the way people refuse to accept that stuff like Ian van Dahl - Castles In The Sky and DJ Sammy - Heaven and stuff by ATB is trance. It is trance.

Look at Castles In The Sky for example, typical supersaw riff, very simple bassline, 4-floor, break-build formula. Absolutely 100% trance. Just because it's ridiculously cheesy doesn't mean it doesn't fit into the same genre - it's trance, just a very very low, poor form of it.

Same goes for Heaven. ATB's stuff is a bit different, but I don't think he's actually a bad producer, certainly better than Sammy and IvD.

Posted by Hydarnes on May-06-2005 21:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I haven't seen you prove yourself right yet...

Posted by auranaut on May-06-2005 21:56:

What is there to prove? We're talking about the most commercial genre of EDM here (excluding hiphop for now... ).

Posted by sw1 on May-06-2005 21:59:

I think most dance covers of mainstream pop songs are cheesy dance, not trance. DJ Sammy - Heaven is dance. It just got included in a bunch of trance compilations, so everyone else assumes it's trance.

Posted by websley on May-06-2005 21:59:

And what about teh house? So much Nu-NGR inspired stuff is just soooo cheesy... It just can't be compared to Trance in cheesy terms.

However, JUNGLE remains the genre with the most integrity

Posted by Hydarnes on May-06-2005 22:01:

BTW mystery, auranaut is actually pretty right on...

First, we have to realize that cheese can be applied on both levels, the production of a song and the lyrics. Trite lyrics are usually considered "cheese", but what exactly are "intelligent" lyrics? What can peole really sing about? And moreover, if a song has such supposedly intellectual lyrics that can't be grasped, it's just as easily discounted as nonsensical. And nobody in their right minds want to listen to something that has no melody (which means a lot of people have terrible taste)

Music is meant to be enjoyed, and unfortunately even what can be considered "non-cheesy" still maintains a degree of it. This can all deteriorate into semantics of course, but I think we understand eachother.

Posted by Aiwendil on May-06-2005 22:05:

so just because you've been programmed to think that only music with melody is good, those who listen to music without melody have no taste. well, hello schranznoise.

Posted by auranaut on May-06-2005 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
something that has no melody

Techno. But it does get tiring after a while.

EDIT: And, as Radagast pointed out, it doesn't mean it's bad music. Alot of African tribal music had no melody, just percussion. And that was ages before Beethoven 'n' crew.

Posted by Hydarnes on May-06-2005 22:07:

Listen, if you want to listen to a tractor, grinding rocks or construction work because you think it sounds good, go ahead. I think it works the other way around, you have to be programmed to think that noise sounds good, because I have yet to meet someone who starts out just enjoying abrasive sound.

Posted by Aiwendil on May-06-2005 22:13:

so i guess you're not going to explain why someone who likes tough abraisive minmally melodic music has no taste.

Posted by websley on May-06-2005 22:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Listen, if you want to listen to a tractor, grinding rocks or construction work because you think it sounds good, go ahead. I think it works the other way around, you have to be programmed to think that noise sounds good, because I have yet to meet someone who starts out just enjoying abrasive sound.

Well, I for instance - enjoy many glitchy and techno stuff. There's nothing wrong with music that has no melody if it's properly constructed.
Try saying that most African Jam-sessions aren't music... They'll kick your ass fo sho!

Posted by Hydarnes on May-06-2005 22:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Aiwendil
so i guess you're not going to explain why someone who likes tough abraisive minmally melodic music has no taste.

Exactly, because it's not worth the effort, and it wouldn't convince you anyway. Suit yourself.

Posted by Hydarnes on May-06-2005 22:19:

quote:
Originally posted by websley
Well, I for instance - enjoy many glitchy and techno stuff. There's nothing wrong with music that has no melody if it's properly constructed.
Try saying that most African Jam-sessions aren't music... They'll kick your ass fo sho!

Well, techno wouldn't quite fit on the same level with noise. It has rhythm, which translates into subtle melody as a song is looping. I don't really find techno all that likeable myself though.

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