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Originally posted by mike_stefan69 yes free advertising instead of people finding out about this track 1 day before the release they now know about it 2/3 months or whatever the timescale for the release is

Right, i rarely post here on TA (for numerous reasons, to which i'll not go into!). But i just had to make a comment on this thread, as i fear some of you have slightly wavered from the original point.

The quote above was to emphasise the fact that i feel you are making a very wrong statement there.
If record labels could get free advertising just like that, why do they employ people to market records!? What's more, the track isn't released for one sole purpose, and that purpose is because the track has been sent out to top DJs to create some buzz in sets, not to get distributed across the mp3 circuit!

The bottom line is, a track gets promo'd for a reason, that is to create buzz from big DJs. It then gets promoted via the label that has signed it using professionals who they employ, if advertising was as simple as you make out, everyone would be doing it that way.

I sincerely hope i'm not the only one in thinking these things, but the original point of this post has been completely lost in how scandelous mp3s are. The concern was for the point of the track being played by an unknown person, who was very much in the wrong for playing and promoting himself using an illegal track, which turned into concern because he was then distrubuting it. Whether people have this same file or not is pretty irrelavent to this post if i'm honest, because they weren't the one's being questioned!

Holla back Max!!!

To the genius who made the bootleg mix.....

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Originally posted by Laushinameee well at least you can see where im coming from. I dont know of any 'edm' forum really that doesnt have some sort of file share system (although none of course admit it) This is why you can see why i find it quite funny that people are running around in a thread started by max graham saying how bad illegal music is when you and I both know a hell of a lot of them will be downloading some right now.

You miss the whole point of everyone else's argument. The person that I was just chatting with on MSN is right...it's like arguing with a two year old. You know how kids keep repeating themselves over and over? You answer their questions and address any issues that they may have yet they still whine. Blah blah blah file share file share MP3 you've got music on your PC

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Originally posted by Laushinameee well at least you can see where im coming from. I dont know of any 'edm' forum really that doesnt have some sort of file share system (although none of course admit it) This is why you can see why i find it quite funny that people are running around in a thread started by max graham saying how bad illegal music is when you and I both know a hell of a lot of them will be downloading some right now.

yea, its like, oh shit max graham is posting (im not saying this for all the users, because some have legit music), let me post that i think illegal music is bad and all this bullshit when they have their dc++ on downloading mp3s. i think what floor filler and biznology said was right on though.

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Originally posted by biznology YES!! if you people would stop bickering youd see I wrote that 2 pages ago|

i saw ya biz...i completely agree with you too. this isn't about oh well everyone dls so what's the big deal...its about someone trying to promote themselves as a dj with material that they don't own.

maybe i have every mp3 single in the last 10 years on my compputer...but i'm not trying making promotional mixes with it and posting them to highlight my talent as a dj.

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Originally posted by trancebrat You miss the whole point of everyone else's argument. The person that I was just chatting with on MSN is right...it's like arguing with a two year old. You know how kids keep repeating themselves over and over? You answer their questions and address any issues that they may have yet they still whine. Blah blah blah file share file share MP3 you've got music on your PC

Youve not answered a single point I have put to you which may be the reason why you find what im saying repetative. To me you seem like a typical ''oh shit max graham is posting, let me post that i think illegal music is bad and all this bullshit'' type person to me.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Youve not answered a single point I have put to you which may be the reason why you find what im saying repetative. To me you seem like a typical ''oh shit max graham is posting, let me post that i think illegal music is bad and all this bullshit'' type person to me.

considering amber actually knows max graham personally...i would have to venture that she isn't that person

Again, if he didn't want people illegally sharing his track it was within his power to keep the track under wraps until it was released.

In today's day and age broadcasting unreleased work anywhere at any time and expecting people not to record it or spread it through technological mediums is stupid. I'm not saying that the file sharers are right, but don't complain when you had the power to keep the track to yourself in the first place, because illegal recording and filesharing is as common as grass.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller considering amber actually knows max graham personally...i would have to venture that she isn't that person

or perhaps she is even more qualified to be that person ?

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Originally posted by Radagast Again, if he didn't want people illegally sharing his track it was within his power to keep the track under wraps until it was released. In today's day and age broadcasting unreleased work anywhere at any time and expecting people not to record it or spread it through technological mediums is stupid. I'm not saying that the file sharers are right, but don't complain when you had the power to keep the track to yourself.

I refer to the first page and the list i made

Add your name to it

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Originally posted by Laushinameee honestly i dont think mg has much better things to do... you know for a fact how dry his bookings are in the UK and how desperate he is to get back over, but until then he seems to spend most of his time posting on his website. I dont begrudge the guy having a laugh at this idiots expense, but a 'pro' artist coming on TA and boasting about how he caught someone out is sad and indicative of someone with too much time on their hands.

And you postwhored this thread to death which indicates that there is someone else with even more time on his hands. I think Max left this argument a long time ago while we are all still here. What were you saying again? I'm pretty sure that Max is more successful than you are as an artist. Feel free to upload your latest track to the net and let us all give it a whirl.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee or perhaps she is even more qualified to be that person ?

or maybe she just doesn't want to see her friend's track, which he put so much effort into, cheapened

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Originally posted by Radagast Again, if he didn't want people illegally sharing his track it was within his power to keep the track under wraps until it was released. In today's day and age broadcasting unreleased work anywhere at any time and expecting people not to record it or spread it through technological mediums is stupid. I'm not saying that the file sharers are right, but don't complain when you had the power to keep the track to yourself in the first place, because illegal recording and filesharing is as common as grass.

I knew something was missing from this thread.

Did Max not have the power to prevent the track from being spread? Yes he did. Does anyone have the power to stop illegal filesharing? No.

Use your heads.

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Originally posted by trancebrat And you postwhored this thread to death which indicates that there is someone else with even more time on his hands. I think Max left this argument a long time ago while we are all still here. What were you saying again? I'm pretty sure that Max is more successful than you are as an artist. Feel free to upload your latest track to the net and let us all give it a whirl.

what a load of bullshit! Why do you suddenly have to be an artist to comment on other peoples work? That isnt the way the world works

max graham should be compared to his colleagues, not to members of TA. otherwise wouldnt everyone be the best dj ever?

stop talking utter shit.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Youve not answered a single point I have put to you which may be the reason why you find what im saying repetative. To me you seem like a typical ''oh shit max graham is posting, let me post that i think illegal music is bad and all this bullshit'' type person to me.

im sure she is not that person. and you must notice, when i posted that, i did not point anyone out and i said that i am sure it isnt everyone on this thread. and i was the one who said arguing on ta is like arguing with a two year old. it is, look at this fuckin thread ffs. it shouldnt have been more than 3-4 pages long.

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Originally posted by Radagast Did Max not have the power to prevent the track from being spread? Yes he did. Does anyone have the power to stop illegal filesharing? No. Use your heads.

what is that supposed to mean? he isn't supposed to send out promo copies to dj's? gee that is a real great way to get your new track out there...

and besides...didn't someone say that this was a liveset rip that was reconstructed? doesn't seem like that would be max's fault then does it?

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Youve not answered a single point I have put to you which may be the reason why you find what im saying repetative. To me you seem like a typical ''oh shit max graham is posting, let me post that i think illegal music is bad and all this bullshit'' type person to me.

I have responded to your posts. Just because I didn't quote you each time doesn't mean they weren't directed at you. I thought that was a given. I'm sorry if you felt slighted. I made sure to quote you this time.

lol @ trance.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller what is that supposed to mean? he isn't supposed to send out promo copies to dj's? gee that is a real great way to get your new track out there...

As long as you do it with the full knowledge that someone is going to rip it to mp3 and share it on the internet.

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and besides...didn't someone say that this was a liveset rip that was reconstructed? doesn't seem like that would be max's fault then does it?

It's not his fault, but should he complain? Shouldn't he have known that there was a glaring possibility of this happening when he(or someone else) used an unreleased track in his (or their) set?

This isn't the dark ages. Information is recorded and spread almost at the speed of thought.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee what a load of bullshit! Why do you suddenly have to be an artist to comment on other peoples work? That isnt the way the world works max graham should be compared to his colleagues, not to members of TA. otherwise wouldnt everyone be the best dj ever? stop talking utter shit.

I wasn't aware that you had provided constructive criticism. I have a right to my opinion too and it looks like I voiced it. Isn't the internet great? God I love TA.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee what a load of bullshit! Why do you suddenly have to be an artist to comment on other peoples work? That isnt the way the world works max graham should be compared to his colleagues, not to members of TA. otherwise wouldnt everyone be the best dj ever? stop talking utter shit.

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Originally posted by Radagast As long as you do it with the full knowledge that someone is going to rip it to mp3 and share it on the internet. It's not his fault, but should he complain? Shouldn't he have known that there was a glaring possibility of this happening when he used an unreleased track in his set?

should people be able to rip vinyls to cdr's and sell them? no. i think we'll both agree on that.

then should people be able to rip a vinyl and play it in a set designed to sell their abilities as a dj? no.

as we've all already said...if this was just someone listening to it at home on their computer...i don't think anyone would care, but this person was using it as a promotional tool...and that's the problem.

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Originally posted by Radagast Again, if he didn't want people illegally sharing his track it was within his power to keep the track under wraps until it was released. In today's day and age broadcasting unreleased work anywhere at any time and expecting people not to record it or spread it through technological mediums is stupid. I'm not saying that the file sharers are right, but don't complain when you had the power to keep the track to yourself.

My thoughts exactly. This is exactly what I argued and argued about in that great big 20+ page thread about a month ago where some producer was bitching about the same shit. I'm sure some of you remember that thread, as it got pretty heated and was closed by request of the thread starter.

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Originally posted by Tranz

Ummm...Sly actually wore that shirt out in public? Errr

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