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Originally posted by Laushinameee so if i prefer PvD to zabiela then im ignorant and a dumb fuck? whatever. I'm convinced that you have 'no fuckin clue' either & that youre simply another one of these gimps whos suddenly decided to get into breakbeat because they think its a bit cool. Dont confuse me with some of the other twats who think PvD is 'god' and can do no wrong. But understand that he was around shaping the music scene when zabiela was still only about 10 years old. Dont get taken in by the hype, hes an average dj at best. So what if he tries loads of tricks? Jeff Mills has based his whole career on that, and hes losing more and more respect by the day. Until zabiela can prove himself a good dj in terms of his actual musical sound, rather than in terms of some novelty act, then i have very little time for him. are you american?

Oh thats nice, so you want me to not confuse you with other noobs who think PvD is god but yet your assuming i got into breakbeat because its a bit cool? Well i got into breaks around 2002, and they got more recognized in 2004 perhaps? so no.
And sure PvD might have been shaping EDM when Zabiela was 10, so what? He has more experience? yeah maybe he does, hes been around longer. Having more experience dosen't make you more talented though.
And i dont jump on hypes, i go by my own opinion which is based on his sets and the live performances ive seen. And let me tell you, if you've been listening to Zabiela sets lately, he just gets better with each one. Of course in 2002, early 2003 he might have screwed up a few time, but what DJ dosent ever scew up? thats how they learn, well at least some do.. and judging by Zabiela's most recent sets, i can say he's gotten better, not only technically but also with his track selection.
And its not just about all the tricks he can do man, its about how he applies them towards his music. You see this guy on stage actually remixing live in front of your eyes, sampling trippy ass shit over tracks that just makes them sound better, gives them more meaning, sets an enviorment. Then when you least expect it he surprises you with some scratching solo that fits perfectly into the track, and he know how far to take it and what effect he wants on it. Most of the time his effects, scratching and sampling are right on cue. If you dont think thats amazing then you are missing out or havent been paying attention. He's already proved himself more than an average DJ to me. Anyone who works the decks as well as he does is more than average in my book.

and no, im not American, im Salvadorian.

I think Osama bin Laden is overrated.

i didn't make it verry far in this thread. but from what i read not a single person used fact to support their opinions.


there are some really convincing arguments here .

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean Oh thats nice, so you want me to not confuse you with other noobs who think PvD is god but yet your assuming i got into breakbeat because its a bit cool? Well i got into breaks around 2002, and they got more recognized in 2004 perhaps? so no. And sure PvD might have been shaping EDM when Zabiela was 10, so what? He has more experience? yeah maybe he does, hes been around longer. Having more experience dosen't make you more talented though. And i dont jump on hypes, i go by my own opinion which is based on his sets and the live performances ive seen. And let me tell you, if you've been listening to Zabiela sets lately, he just gets better with each one. Of course in 2002, early 2003 he might have screwed up a few time, but what DJ dosent ever scew up? thats how they learn, well at least some do.. and judging by Zabiela's most recent sets, i can say he's gotten better, not only technically but also with his track selection. And its not just about all the tricks he can do man, its about how he applies them towards his music. You see this guy on stage actually remixing live in front of your eyes, sampling trippy ass shit over tracks that just makes them sound better, gives them more meaning, sets an enviorment. Then when you least expect it he surprises you with some scratching solo that fits perfectly into the track, and he know how far to take it and what effect he wants on it. Most of the time his effects, scratching and sampling are right on cue. If you dont think thats amazing then you are missing out or havent been paying attention. He's already proved himself more than an average DJ to me. Anyone who works the decks as well as he does is more than average in my book. and no, im not American, im Salvadorian.

they have 2 totally different styles, how can you compair them at all? Zabi plays house/progg, and breaks, and paul plays an odd mixure of electronic house/trance, with many different styles mixed in.

Maby you should compare Zabi with rap djs, because they do alot of the same things mixing wise. Zabi may be a good "entertainer," but imo that is not the point of being a dj.

Its just like compairing the best European football player, to american football player.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Until zabiela can prove himself a good dj in terms of his actual musical sound, rather than in terms of some novelty act, then i have very little time for him.

A lot of people actually do enjoy the tunes that Zabiela chooses to play. I wouldn't force myself to listen to a set just for tricks if I didn't like the track selection.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Ok seriously, even if I didn't have my issues with Markus I would still think he's over-rated. A DJ that plays the same types of tunes over and over is boring. Progressive music is much more than bleeps and beaps over a trancy bassline. Maybe with time you will understand where I'm coming from. I once thought Armin & Markus were good but than as I started to listen to more and more music, I than realized they were shit. The closer you follow dance music the less you are likely to cling onto a particular DJ or sound. You, like the music, become ever changing. Remeber that change is what gives dance music its beauty. Embrace this philosophy and you will never have your heart broken when your favorite DJ or artists disappear, which they will eventually.

couldnt have said it better myself. very well put.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 they have 2 totally different styles, how can you compair them at all? Zabi plays house/progg, and breaks, and paul plays an odd mixure of electronic house/trance, with many different styles mixed in. Maby you should compare Zabi with rap djs, because they do alot of the same things mixing wise. Zabi may be a good "entertainer," but imo that is not the point of being a dj. Its just like compairing the best European football player, to american football player.

The music is irrelevant. It's not like comparing American and European football. Those are completely different games with completely different rules. It's more like comparing American Football to Canadian Football.

Zabiela is good technically, but I have a hard time believing he can read a crowd when he is busy scratching, therefore if the crowd is not up him any given night, he is not going to have a good show, great DJs are able to change the mood of the room when they see fit.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 they have 2 totally different styles, how can you compair them at all? Zabi plays house/progg, and breaks, and paul plays an odd mixure of electronic house/trance, with many different styles mixed in.

Well i was making a comparison based on skill not genre. The genre is irrelevant when it comes to skill. Its like comparing a guitarist from a rock band to a guitarist from a blues band. Sure they are both different genres but the skill stands out regardless what type of music they are playing.

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Zabi may be a good "entertainer," but imo that is not the point of being a dj.

If the point of a dj is not to entertain, then what is it?
eating hot dogs?

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Armin Van Buuren Ti�sto Markus Schulz Perry O'Neil Paul Van Dyk Ferry Corsten Gabriel & Dresden

+7

only the number one dj on the face of this planet.....mr tiesto.

I actually don't think Paul van Dyk is as over-rated as other trance DJs. He doesn't wreck as often as Tiesto, Corsten and van Buuren, and his choice in music is far more respectable. While the others play the usual generic supersaw trance, Paul mixes in all sorts of other genres.

At least Ferry and Tiesto have their own styles. Armin is just a Tiesto wanabee. There's nothing special about Armin besides his radio show (ASoT), which is only on two hours a week.

Tiesto - don't like his work generally speaking
Above and Beyond - they produce some great tracks, but their sound is quite generic and their ideas have been well tried and tested

Dave Piazza

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Originally posted by Ory I actually don't think Paul van Dyk is as over-rated as other trance DJs. He doesn't wreck as often as Tiesto, Corsten and van Buuren, and his choice in music is far more respectable. While the others play the usual generic supersaw trance, Paul mixes in all sorts of other genres.

I like PvD too, but he 'wrecked' at least 3 times in the last 2.5 hour set I saw him play, and it was very noticeable (machinegunning beats).. saying that though he pulled off more flawless transitions than those others normally would in that time period.

Tiesto can be very diverse too though, often plays alot of progressive (good progressive too, not just the mcprog flavour of the month) and techier stuff... and I'm not that much of a Corsten fan but I've heard he plays alot of electro as well as trance these days.

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Originally posted by isoterra I'm not that much of a Corsten fan but I've heard he plays alot of electro as well as trance these days.

he wishes

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Originally posted by Laushinameee he wishes

well can't say I do... I think he's a mediocre dj at best & don't bother checking out his sets often.. only going by what corsten-addicts seem to say on here

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth Zabiela is good technically, but I have a hard time believing he can read a crowd when he is busy scratching, therefore if the crowd is not up him any given night, he is not going to have a good show, great DJs are able to change the mood of the room when they see fit.

I see your points however if you're into 'hands in your air' and 'asot trance' then you're not exactly going to enjoy a dj that spins predominately breaks. And the whole 'read a crowd when he is busy scratching' is such a ridiculos comment. It's not like his eyes are glued to the decks and sratches the entire 2hr set or however long.


w3rd

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Originally posted by isoterra well can't say I do... I think he's a mediocre dj at best & don't bother checking out his sets often.. only going by what corsten-addicts seem to say on here

yeh and their knowledge of electro would fit on a stamp. Even tiesto plays more credible stuff than corsten.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee so if i prefer PvD to zabiela then im ignorant and a dumb fuck? whatever. I'm convinced that you have 'no fuckin clue' either & that youre simply another one of these gimps whos suddenly decided to get into breakbeat because they think its a bit cool. Dont confuse me with some of the other twats who think PvD is 'god' and can do no wrong. But understand that he was around shaping the music scene when zabiela was still only about 10 years old. Dont get taken in by the hype, hes an average dj at best. So what if he tries loads of tricks? Jeff Mills has based his whole career on that, and hes losing more and more respect by the day. Until zabiela can prove himself a good dj in terms of his actual musical sound, rather than in terms of some novelty act, then i have very little time for him. are you american?

I seem to remember it taking Sasha quite a long ass time to make a studio album. He did productions every now and again, but making a studio album = no live djing. zabiela is still riding off of his success as of late to do a studio...

but as to your earlier comment about GTDJ001, you might think the mixing is atrocious because its not like trance; the exact same beat in almost every track, the tempos are relatively the same, and its way more popular so more people make tracks for him to play. the shit that zabiela is playing is so uniquely different in its sound and beat. its not that the beat is different, but its how its organized. trance has the same organization, and ive heard the guy mix in bob marley, and then his usual stuff.

and before you tell me oh you've never heard pvd, i used to be a pvd/tiesto/armin/trance fan until i heard 1 zabiela set from may 2002. trance is good in certain situations, but not for listening at home where you can't dance to it....

Eddie Halliwell, Acosta and Nu NRG. Sorry its just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Sasha` I seem to remember it taking Sasha quite a long ass time to make a studio album. He did productions every now and again, but making a studio album = no live djing. zabiela is still riding off of his success as of late to do a studio... but as to your earlier comment about GTDJ001, you might think the mixing is atrocious because its not like trance; the exact same beat in almost every track, the tempos are relatively the same, and its way more popular so more people make tracks for him to play. the shit that zabiela is playing is so uniquely different in its sound and beat. its not that the beat is different, but its how its organized. trance has the same organization, and ive heard the guy mix in bob marley, and then his usual stuff. and before you tell me oh you've never heard pvd, i used to be a pvd/tiesto/armin/trance fan until i heard 1 zabiela set from may 2002. trance is good in certain situations, but not for listening at home where you can't dance to it....

mixing is atrocious because its not like trance? please. The tracks on that are all 'prog', it was done way before zabiela decided he was a breakbeat dj. He plays a couple of tracks by Dan Goodall on there, and PvD also plays Dan Goodall tracks. The two djs will mix the tracks the exact same way. Its a standard 4/4 track with an intro & an outro. Dont make it out like zabiela is playing music really 'alternative' and different to trance, because on that compilation, he isnt. If he cant get in the studio and mix a 4/4 slow prog track into the next then thats just the way he is. Plenty of other over hyped djs cant do this either. Just because he covers this up with a lot of ''skill'' shouldnt blind idiots to the fact that he is AVERAGE at best.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee mixing is atrocious because its not like trance? please. The tracks on that are all 'prog', it was done way before zabiela decided he was a breakbeat dj. He plays a couple of tracks by Dan Goodall on there, and PvD also plays Dan Goodall tracks. The two djs will mix the tracks the exact same way. Its a standard 4/4 track with an intro & an outro. Dont make it out like zabiela is playing music really 'alternative' and different to trance, because on that compilation, he isnt. If he cant get in the studio and mix a 4/4 slow prog track into the next then thats just the way he is. Plenty of other over hyped djs cant do this either. Just because he covers this up with a lot of ''skill'' shouldnt blind idiots to the fact that he is AVERAGE at best.

i suggest you listen to his gainsville set from 2002....

i also like how you say 'skill' because id like to see you get up there and do what he does exactly. i can dj what pvd plays because i lived with turntables and a wall full of pvd / tiesto type records for a year and learned to do it. it took 2 days.

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Originally posted by Sasha` i suggest you listen to his gainsville set from 2002.... i also like how you say 'skill' because id like to see you get up there and do what he does exactly.

thats another AMAZING argument. Just because you cant do something means you arent allowed an opinion on it. any other nuggets like that or have you had enough talking shit for one day?

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