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Here is a list of cheese, listen for yourself:

http://www.juno.co.uk/search.php?q=...=any&column=all

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 if you put trance next to techno they are still edm . Im sure if you named 10-15 anthems, ff would sound totally different from the rest.

No. It's an anthem. Unquestionably.

And Blue Balls, shut the fuck up. I remember when you were so bloody ignorant about anything non-epic trance you made long rambling threads asking inane questions. You're so pretentious and arrogant I would gladly smash your face in if I ever met you in person.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Jam & Spoon's Follow Me (1993) has a super-super long breakdown using primitive saw-waves. Thing is, with that track it's almost done tongue-in-cheek. It's fun.

yeah, but it was meant really as a two part thing, either you mix in from after the breakdown or you mix in from the beginning and then mixout before the break. i dunno anyone that would play that monstrous break on the dancefloor

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Here is a list of cheese, listen for yourself: http://www.juno.co.uk/search.php?q=...=any&column=all

Actually, none of these fit into your average ASOT standards:

Haak - Frenzy (Original Mix)
Hidden Logic - Time (Original Mix)
Outback - Minds In Motion

I'm not sure the Questia release qualifies either.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You're so pretentious and arrogant I would gladly smash your face in if I ever met you in person.

This is what happens in a debate when one person is proven wrong with over-whelming evidence. There last resort is intimidation and personal attacks.

I am sorry but if you listen to cheesey music it is not that I hate you but rather I hate the music you listen too.



Don't take it too personally kids.

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Originally posted by Blue Balls This is what happens in a debate when one person is proven wrong with over-whelming evidence. They're last resort is intimidation and personal attacks.

You're a dickhead. I'm not an ASOT fan. I've never tuned in in my life. I don't even like Armin's productions. I hardly buy any modern trance. I wasn't even arguing with you in this thread.

The only facts here is you're a stupid little Internet sheep who's probably never seen inside a club before who's merely recycling the opinions of informed others because you think it makes you sound intelligent. You think ASOT material is cheese? Wow-fucking-ho, what kind of revelation is this? They'll be rewriting the Bible to include you now you've regurgitated an eighteen month old argument. Prat.

RE: Blue Balls' samples.

First one: I liked this stuff better when it was called Euro House.

Second one: Wow. I could have come up with that riff on my father's synths when I was 8 years old. In fact, I think I did.

Third one: OMG!!!! HOLD ME!!! I'M RUSHING!!!! THE LAYZERS!!!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You're a dickhead.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The only facts here is you're a stupid little Internet sheep who's probably never seen inside a club before

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Prat.

This is what happens in a debate when one person is proven wrong with over-whelming evidence. There last resort is intimidation and personal attacks.



Thanks for the compliments btw

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Originally posted by Blue Balls This is what happens in a debate when one person is proven wrong with over-whelming evidence. There last resort is intimidation and personal attacks.

When have you proven me wrong? When was I arguing with you? I think you've been over-whelmingly proven to be trying to sound smart and so are refusing to actually answer my argument.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No. It's an anthem. Unquestionably.

i think your mixing up anthems and classics...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J trying to sound smart and so are refusing to actually answer my argument.

Profile For SYSTEM-J:

Birthday June 16th, 1988




I now understand your frustration.

Don't fret with time you will understand.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 i think your mixing up anthems and classics...

Er... no. What do you define as an anthem then? Any track centred around a large lead melody is an anthem in my eyes.

I'm not even going to bother carrying on with you, Dave. I can guarentee though that I've got wider and more developed music tastes than you, and also that I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you.

I think there is a double standard being used here in judging tracks as cheesy or not.

I find that many musicians who play styles of music that are commonly not considered cheesy, in fact do sound the same, and recycle themselves very often. Many "non cheesy" artists are just copying stuff from the 70's and 80's, I don't understand how this isn't cheesy while recycling the epic elements is.

I guess the esiest example of this I could use is sasha and digweed. No, I'm not calling S&D cheese, but you would have to be living under a rock to no realize that every time they change their sound half of the world emulates it. When S&D moved to dirty dark prog a few months later it dominated dance floors, when they moved to the electro rockish proggish mix up they are on now I could pick out a great many mixes that used tracks that they played. I think being yet another DJ who copies sasha and digweed is cheesy, but not many other people seem to agree because they are blinded by all the "monumental contributions" they have made to the scene.

And I'm still hearing the the same kind of sounds from Tony De Vit - Global Underground #1, yet miraculously it is still not cheesy, how!?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Er... no. What do you define as an anthem then? Any track centred around a large lead melody is an anthem in my eyes.

Alright if thats your definition. But then is every melodic track an anthem?

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 And I'm still hearing the the same kind of sounds from Tony De Vit - Global Underground #1, yet miraculously it is still not cheesy, how!?

I think you answered your own question.

I think an anthem track requires a certain kind of melody in it. Its kinda hard to describe, but you can almost sense how a track attempts to make itself memorable.

I would call forbidden fruit an anthem because I think it has that same memorable feeling in it, and because it is on many compilation that have the word 'anthem' in it.

My favorite of which is JOOF - The Best Trance Anthems Ever

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I think there is a double standard being used here in judging tracks as cheesy or not. I find that many musicians who play styles of music that are commonly not considered cheesy, in fact do sound the same, and recycle themselves very often. Many "non cheesy" artists are just copying stuff from the 70's and 80's, I don't understand how this isn't cheesy while recycling the epic elements is. I guess the esiest example of this I could use is sasha and digweed. No, I'm not calling S&D cheese, but you would have to be living under a rock to no realize that every time they change their sound half of the world emulates it. When S&D moved to dirty dark prog a few months later it dominated dance floors, when they moved to the electro rockish proggish mix up they are on now I could pick out a great many mixes that used tracks that they played. I think being yet another DJ who copies sasha and digweed is cheesy, but not many other people seem to agree because they are blinded by all the "monumental contributions" they have made to the scene. And I'm still hearing the the same kind of sounds from Tony De Vit - Global Underground #1, yet miraculously it is still not cheesy, how!?

On the previous page I wrote a lenghy definition of what cheese can be. I said cheese can come in many forms, i.e. cheesey trance cheesey techno, etc.

The focus in this thread is cheesey trance. Why? Becuase 1) its a trance forum 2) this is where more interest is for memebers of this forum ( I would be glad to talk about cheesey techno or cheesey prog. but I would go off topic).

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Alright if thats your definition. But then is every melodic track an anthem?

Melodic and centred around one lead melody are different kettles of fish.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I think there is a double standard being used here in judging tracks as cheesy or not. I find that many musicians who play styles of music that are commonly not considered cheesy, in fact do sound the same, and recycle themselves very often. Many "non cheesy" artists are just copying stuff from the 70's and 80's, I don't understand how this isn't cheesy while recycling the epic elements is. I guess the esiest example of this I could use is sasha and digweed. No, I'm not calling S&D cheese, but you would have to be living under a rock to no realize that every time they change their sound half of the world emulates it. When S&D moved to dirty dark prog a few months later it dominated dance floors, when they moved to the electro rockish proggish mix up they are on now I could pick out a great many mixes that used tracks that they played. I think being yet another DJ who copies sasha and digweed is cheesy, but not many other people seem to agree because they are blinded by all the "monumental contributions" they have made to the scene. And I'm still hearing the the same kind of sounds from Tony De Vit - Global Underground #1, yet miraculously it is still not cheesy, how!?

I wouldn't call Dave Seaman & Chris Fortier cheezy. Even if they have the same style as Digweed. Maby you could call Markus a bit cheezy, because he plays a lot of the same stuff as Sasha, but isn't quite as good, and plays more "fluff" vocals then Sasha.


but then again, no one can really mimmic sasha or digweed, so that is probably a bad example .


Weather or not u like him, i think Tiesto is a prime dj, that tons of people copy.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I think an anthem track requires a certain kind of melody in it. Its kinda hard to describe, but you can almost sense how a track attempts to make itself memorable. I would call forbidden fruit an anthem because I think it has that same memorable feeling in it, and because it is on many compilation that have the word 'anthem' in it.

is the original actually on any compilations?

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 My favorite of which is JOOF - The Best Trance Anthems Ever

I own that- it wakes me up every morning on my alarm clock. Still a pretty decent compilation, although the number and length of tracks is a bit dodgy.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 I wouldn't call Dave Seaman & Chris Fortier cheezy. Even if they have the same style as Digweed. Maby you could call Markus a bit cheezy, because he plays a lot of the same stuff as Sasha, but isn't quite as good, and plays more "fluff" vocals then Sasha. but then again, no one can really mimmic sasha or digweed, so that is probably a bad example . Weather or not u like him, i think Tiesto is a prime dj, that tons of people copy.

He's arguing with Dave's strange idea that cheese is formulaeic music, which is a weird definition to say the least.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Melodic and centred around one lead melody are different kettles of fish.

Umm ok .

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I can guarentee though that I've got wider and more developed music tastes than you, and also that I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you.

Your fuckin 16 years old !!!


You probably havent even had sex yet,let alone discover the entire world of music.


I admit I don't know shit. But for you , a 16 year old kid, to try to act like you have more expereince and more education than an adult is silly. Seriously.


stop ruinng this thread kid and let's just call it a truce. OK.

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