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Posted by Jem_hadar on Mar-30-2005 18:56:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
nah, I don't buy that comparison

1. Most lawyers (today) have 3-4 years undergrad, 3 years of law school, bar exam...minimum. That's assuming no other related training, grad school, etc. Education/training requirements of a TTC driver PALE in comparison. Not that education and training necessarily justifies higher pay...but those requirements for a lawyer automatically shrink the available labour pool of lawyers vs. who can be trained to be a TTC driver.

2. The liability a lawyer faces, and the duty of care owed to a client, can be substantial too. Even if their clerks slave away and "do most of the work", it's the lawywer who is on the hook and constantly in need of being careful of what they do and do not do. TTC drivers, by way of vicarious liability, have little to worry about in comparison...even if a driver is overtly negligent, isn't it the TTC who would sued? The driver might lose their job, but they're not in danger of being personally sued, disbarred, etc. as a lawyer might be.

I'm probably going to hell for defending the legal profession, lol...but I think lawyers get a bad rap all too often.

Politicians need to be paid well. Think about it...why would someone, eg. as a lawyer, professor, etc., become an MP or enter the public service sector at all, when they can make far more in the private sector? We need to have a pay scale substantial enough to entice the right people into those positions...corruption...well, that's another issue.

i would agree with you on this. thats just the way it is.

Posted by RobbyG. on Apr-01-2005 05:21:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
nah, I don't buy that comparison

1. Most lawyers (today) have 3-4 years undergrad, 3 years of law school, bar exam...minimum. That's assuming no other related training, grad school, etc. Education/training requirements of a TTC driver PALE in comparison. Not that education and training necessarily justifies higher pay...but those requirements for a lawyer automatically shrink the available labour pool of lawyers vs. who can be trained to be a TTC driver.

Hmmmm....lets see....I apprenticed for 5 years & then wrote my exam for my Technicians license ST (both Truck/Coach & Car) ...I invested like $10,000 on tools & have to upgrade each year AND take courses/training for the latest technology that comes around such as electrical/multyplex systems,fuel systems, transmission, Natural gas training, drive train alignment,Braking systems, A/C systems & diagnosing ALL that shit when it craps out.Now I will have to take more courses with the new Hybrid buses that the TTC is getting soon.On top of that I have to get a physical every 3 years for my CZ drivers license & rewrite my CZ every 3 years as well...PAY for all my licenses when I have to renew them...AND be surrounded my various cancer causing agents & injuries (I hurt my back BADLY 3 years ago)...PLEASE....a lawyer's salary should be around MINE & I should make 100 to 200 bucks an hour....

Posted by RobbyG. on Apr-01-2005 05:30:

Insider info here:

The staff at my location we're issued strike passes so they can pass the picket lines so it doesn't look good even though the media says differently

We'll see

Posted by MarkT on Apr-01-2005 06:15:

awww, you know I was refering to drivers and ticket agents, not the mechanics and electricians

It would be silly to consider trade work any less "educated" or valuable than a profession...particularly licensed tradespeople who by the nature of their work have to continuously upgrade their skills (it would be nice if more workforces had the same requirements).

hopefully those passes are just a precaution

Posted by RobbyG. on Apr-01-2005 07:24:

TTC upper managment...believe me....I'm not that far off

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