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Posted by Krysta_101 on Apr-07-2005 15:47:

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quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
Cus i know chicks like you...my girl used to be one till i fixed her....

I know your type so well....you think your shit dont stink...and just because you found Armin a few years back doesnt make you an EDM veteran....


'til you fixed her. I sure hope you didn't get her spayed!


Posted by A.J. on Apr-07-2005 15:50:

ahahahha i'm so drunk after tonight......

Where's the PLUR in this thread??


Posted by Floorfiller on Apr-07-2005 15:51:

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quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
ok i will try...


my point is that, this chick who made this post came in here with her nose in the air acting like she was the shit and her and her little Maybelline friends should have VIP access with back door entrance bcause they are "classy"(whatever:rolleyes....and candy kids should be banned because they are to begining of the end of the scene...

My point is that back in the day clubkids (real clubkids) made the scene in NYC the best it ever was...so i respect the oldschool ones....

I feel everyone and anyone has a right to go to the club,,,,assuming you dont start fights or anything dumb like that.....what gives anyone a right to say they can party and then say the person next to them can not? Pretension.



*rereads first post*


ok now i'll try...


if you look at the picture that she posted...it is typical of what we are considering candyraver kids...i think you'll agree with that. now are these the people that you are refering to when you say the old skool "clubkids"? obviously not. maybe she didn't say what she was thinking in a way that you could understand it, but i'm positive that her point is that these kids are underaged...immature...and really most likely just hanging around the clubs to rebel against mommy and daddy.

i agree that they look stupid, but lets not even mention that...lets put that aside for a second...

now when you throw a bunch of these little kids into a club with adults...what is that going to do for the scene? absolutely nothing. i don't know about everyone else, but i don't wanna be dancing in a club with a bunch of little kids in it. the point that krysta was making as far as her appearance goes was that basically she is going out to have a great time with friends and they dress nice whatever, but the important thing is that they are adults and don't act like little kids.


now i look at that pic you posted from europe...what is different between those club kids and the ones she posted. well, the ones you posted are adults and have probably been clubbing forever...hence as you said...old skool club kids. that's cool...if that's their lifestyle i don't think anyone is gonna give a fuck, but the pic that krysta posted shows a bunch of kids that are in the midst of some phase of teenage angst...and will most likely grow out of it in a couple of years.


really i think it just comes down to maturity. krysta is saying that she doesn't want a bunch of little kids in the clubs...and i agree. and what i've been trying to say...which i'll say again because i know you've been avoiding it...is that these kids put a stigma on EDM in america. when you here about raves or something on tv...it comes with the stigma that its a bunhc of 16 year olds...doing drugs...and listening to this wierd "techno" music. as long as there is that stigma in the united states...its hard for a club to grow in size and popularity...


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 15:51:

wat does plur mean? i never heard that before


Posted by tiesto14 on Apr-07-2005 15:52:

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quote:
Originally posted by Krysta_101
I fail to see how I'm the retard when I'm the one who is having to explain this to you for the umpteenth time. I am saying American kandii girls are generally stupid. They only know Ti�sto, and they only like what he plays.



I can say the same about every kid i see at a Tiesto show now a days....no matter which way they dres. Matter of fact i would say that applys more to chics that look like you.


quote:
Originally posted by Krysta_101
I am by no means saying they don't deserve to party, I am merely stating that they need to gain a broader scope of the scene. Thus, get educated and stop being idiots. I do realize that club kids started the American scene (what there is of it). I do respect them for this.


Again i can say the same about kids like you.

I remember 5 years ago seeing Tiesto in NYC and the crowd was cool...all Tiesto fans...NOW when i go see him in NYC there is a bunch of juice heads and chics that look like you swarming around....

I do not think it has to do with the way a person dresses...or what "click" u want to categroize them in....i think you are being a tad prejudice.


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 15:55:

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quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
I can say the same about every kid i see at a Tiesto show now a days....no matter which way they dres. Matter of fact i would say that applys more to chics that look like you.




Again i can say the same about kids like you.

I remember 5 years ago seeing Tiesto in NYC and the crowd was cool...all Tiesto fans...NOW when i go see him in NYC there is a bunch of juice heads and chics that look like you swarming around....

I do not think it has to do with the way a person dresses...or what "click" u want to categroize them in....i think you are being a tad prejudice.

yea man, tiesto became like "their" god after they realized jonathan peters in his little fish bowl wasnt exactly getting world wide recognition, and god forbid "those" people feel inferior....


Posted by muckluck on Apr-07-2005 15:55:

quote:
Originally posted by ESMdjm600
wat does plur mean? i never heard that before


Raver acronym coined by Frankie Bones.

Peace
Love
Unity
Respect


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-07-2005 15:56:



thats the problem


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 15:56:

quote:
Originally posted by muckluck
Raver acronym coined by Frankie Bones.

Peace
Love
Unity
Respect

frankie bones? didnt dr. king say that?


Posted by Danny Ocean on Apr-07-2005 15:57:

quote:
Originally posted by ESMdjm600
y soccer is dead in america.... NO COMMERCIALS!


wrong, no talent


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-07-2005 15:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
wrong, no talent


wrong, no money


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 16:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
wrong, no talent
well, i mite agree with u,but if we're talking about a dj sense, europes right there with us on crud mixin, i mean the best of the best is still making "visible" mistakes (y did i use the word visible when im talkin about listening...) after decades of mixing..... but thats a thread done to death, i apoligize


Posted by tiesto14 on Apr-07-2005 16:02:

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quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
*rereads first post*


ok now i'll try...


if you look at the picture that she posted...it is typical of what we are considering candyraver kids...i think you'll agree with that.



yep


quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
now are these the people that you are refering to when you say the old skool "clubkids"? obviously not.



nope...


quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
maybe she didn't say what she was thinking in a way that you could understand it, but i'm positive that her point is that these kids are underaged...immature...and really most likely just hanging around the clubs to rebel against mommy and daddy.



I see your point....but what underage kid isnt in a club to rebel? To feel cool?...they all are....doesnt make a difference how you dress.

Personally some of them annoy me...but pretty much everyone annoys me (you should know that bro after all these years...LOL)



quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
now when you throw a bunch of these little kids into a club with adults...what is that going to do for the scene? absolutely nothing. i don't know about everyone else, but i don't wanna be dancing in a club with a bunch of little kids in it. the point that krysta was making as far as her appearance goes was that basically she is going out to have a great time with friends and they dress nice whatever, but the important thing is that they are adults and don't act like little kids.



Again i see your point...But in 1994 at Limelight it was a friggen freak show...kids dressed way worse then todays clubkids...yet those were the best days of NYC..no one can deny that...so you tell me how it amkes a difference with the way you dress...if your attitude is immature then it makes no difference if you are glowing with pacifiers and the such or wearing an Armani suit or Dolce & Gabbanna.



quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
now i look at that pic you posted from europe...what is different between those club kids and the ones she posted. well, the ones you posted are adults and have probably been clubbing forever...hence as you said...old skool club kids. that's cool...if that's their lifestyle i don't think anyone is gonna give a fuck, but the pic that krysta posted shows a bunch of kids that are in the midst of some phase of teenage angst...and will most likely grow out of it in a couple of years.united states...its hard for a club to grow in size and popularity...



Agreed....but thats a different argument all together...now you are argueing age...i dont think anyone under 21 should be in a club.



quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
really i think it just comes down to maturity.



Agreed and not the way you dress....i mean what about all the rough neck kids who go to clubs dressed all thugged?




quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
krysta is saying that she doesn't want a bunch of little kids in the clubs...and i agree. and what i've been trying to say...which i'll say again because i know you've been avoiding it...is that these kids put a stigma on EDM in america. when you here about raves or something on tv...it comes with the stigma that its a bunhc of 16 year olds...doing drugs...and listening to this wierd "techno" music. as long as there is that stigma in the united states...its hard for a club to grow in size and popularity...



I now there is a stigma...i wont deny that. But that stigma never caused a problem back in the day in NYC....clubkids died out before clubs in NYC started to close....


Posted by muckluck on Apr-07-2005 16:03:

quote:
Originally posted by ESMdjm600
frankie bones? didnt dr. king say that?


Yeah Dr. King was a hardcore raver.

I have a dream. A dream that one day, these pink elephants floating around my head will go away! And the pigeons with orange fur will rule in their stead alongside mighty lord Shiva. Give me more E!


Posted by Danny Ocean on Apr-07-2005 16:03:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
wrong, no money


oh so the US has talented soccer players? name them.


Posted by tiesto14 on Apr-07-2005 16:03:

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quote:
Originally posted by ESMdjm600
yea man, tiesto became like "their" god after they realized jonathan peters in his little fish bowl wasnt exactly getting world wide recognition, and god forbid "those" people feel inferior....



AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Thats my point with her....thank you!


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 16:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
oh so the US has talented soccer players? name them.


lol world cup time comes around, i go completely to my british roots.... i coulda sworn though that the other day in a world cup qualifier, costa rica or el salvador got the crap kicked out of them by our garbage u.s. players


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-07-2005 16:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
oh so the US has talented soccer players? name them.



that 16 year old kid whatever his name is. It doesn't matter. When was the last time you saw soccer players making 10 million dollars a year. If they were, I am sure that there would be "more" talent.


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 16:06:

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quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Thats my point with her....thank you!
\
hahahaha i KNEW


Posted by Danny Ocean on Apr-07-2005 16:06:

quote:
Originally posted by ESMdjm600
lol world cup time comes around, i go completely to my british roots.... i coulda sworn though that the other day in a world cup qualifier, costa rica or el salvador got the crap kicked out of them by our garbage u.s. players


yeah el salvador and costa rica are shit teams, your point? i never implied they were better.


Posted by ESMdjm600 on Apr-07-2005 16:08:

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quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Thats my point with her....thank you!
\
hahahaha i KNEW i was gonna get props for that one... thank u


Posted by Danny Ocean on Apr-07-2005 16:08:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
that 16 year old kid whatever his name is. It doesn't matter. When was the last time you saw soccer players making 10 million dollars a year. If they were, I am sure that there would be "more" talent.


no one makes 10 million dollars a year just playing a sport. They get all that money from sponsors, tv comercials, ads, etc.


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-07-2005 16:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
no one makes 10 million dollars a year just playing a sport. They get all that money from sponsors, tv comercials, ads, etc.


quote:
The $252 million man
Why does every single story about Alex Rodriguez have to mention the Rangers star's salary?

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By King Kaufman

April 17, 2001 | Write down this date: May 9. That's when it'll happen.

That's Tax Liberation Day -- you'll have to work from New Year's Day to that date to earn the money you'll pay in taxes next year, if you're in the United States and you're typical.




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But that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm doing is making a fearless prediction: May 9 will be the first time you will read a story about Alex Rodriguez that doesn't mention his salary, which, in case you haven't heard, is $252 million over 10 years.

On Friday in Oakland, Calif., Rodriguez (who signed a $252 million, 10-year contract this off-season with the Texas Rangers) hit his first home run of the year. "Rodriguez hit a solo shot to center off Mike Magnante in the fourth," wrote the Associated Press. "'It was nice to get it out of the way,' said Rodriguez, who signed a 10-year deal with the Rangers in the off-season worth $252 million."

Here's the San Francisco Chronicle, on the same game: "The Rangers racked up eight runs against [Cory] Lidle, and later, the $252 Million Dollar Man, Alex Rodriguez, recorded his first homer with his new team, as Texas crushed Oakland 13-1, for the A's fifth loss in a row."

Also in the news over the weekend: Vice President Dick Cheney's income tax returns show he made $36 million last year. For A-Rod to make that much money -- his salary averages out to $25.2 million a year, or $155,555.56 a game -- he would have to play an extra 69 games and into the middle innings of a 70th.

And yet, somehow, I doubt every newspaper story that mentions Cheney in the coming months will include the words "Cheney, who made $36 million last year ..."

President Bush, by the way, made $894,880, nowhere near what either Cheney or Rodriguez pulled in, though both of them could argue, as Babe Ruth once did, that they "had a better year."

On Saturday, Rodriguez -- who will average $25.2 million a year for the next 10 years -- had an even bigger game, driving in six runs in another Rangers win. "The Oakland Athletics overcame an eight-run deficit but could not overcome baseball's highest-paid player," wrote the Sportsticker news service. "Signed to a 10-year, $252 million contract in the off-season, Rodriguez enjoyed his biggest game of the young campaign."

The Rangers swept the A's with another high-scoring win Sunday, thanks in no small part to Rodriguez, baseball's highest-paid player at $25.2 million a year. Here's the AP lead: "To Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez might be underpaid, even with his record $252 million contract.

"'He's pretty phenomenal,' the A's first baseman and last season's AL MVP said. 'We made him look like he's worth about $300 million.'"

(See, Giambi was referring to Rodriguez's $252 million contract there.)

Last month, regulatory filings showed that Bank One Corp. paid its CEO, Jamie Dimon, $29.8 million last year. Dimon worked for the company for eight months. A Nexis search Monday revealed that Dimon's name has appeared in stories in nine major newspapers on four different days since April 1. Not one of them mentioned his salary, which, prorated, is $44.7 million a year, or 77 percent higher than Rodriguez's salary -- $25.2 million a year, as you might know.

On Monday, Rodriguez brought his money and his Rangers teammates to Seattle to play the Mariners, for whom he played from 1994 through last year, before leaving to sign a $252 million contract with the Rangers this off-season. The AP: "The Mariners aren't planning a warm welcome for Alex Rodriguez when he returns to Seattle for the first time since signing a $252 million contract with Texas. " The Chronicle: "Alex Rodriguez left the Coliseum last night en route to Seattle for the first time since leaving the Mariners for a $252 million deal with Texas." The Seattle Post-Intelligencer: "STORY LINE: Hello, Alex. This is Alex Rodriguez's first series in Seattle since leaving the Mariners to sign with the Rangers for a major league record $252 million. All other story lines pale by comparison."

According to Forbes, George Lucas makes $250 million a year. Oprah Winfrey makes $150 million. Bruce Willis? $70 million. They're all in the entertainment business, just like Rodriguez ($25.2 million), but most stories about them don't mention those figures. Did you know that Martin Lawrence -- Martin Lawrence! -- makes $33 million? Narrowing the focus to sports figures, we find race car driver Michael Schumacher ($59 million), golfer Tiger Woods ($53 million) and boxer Mike Tyson ($48 million) all making way more than A-Rod ($25.2 million).

Want to know who's in Rodriguez's low-rent neighborhood? Keanu Reeves ($25.5 million), the Dixie Chicks ($25 million, though they have to split it three ways, presumably) and Rosie O'Donnell ($25 million). I can't remember the last time I read about any of these people's salaries.

Alex Rodriguez is baseball's highest paid player. For now. Can we all please get over it? He's widely considered the top performer in an unbelievably lucrative profession. He makes what the market will bear, and the market will bear a whole big swingin' heck of a lot right now.

Two hundred fifty-two million dollars over 10 years to be exact. Now shut up about it already.






yea ok


Posted by Krysta_101 on Apr-07-2005 16:16:

Mhm...

And someone has a problem with me, heh, who doesn't these days?


Posted by tiesto14 on Apr-07-2005 16:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
no one makes 10 million dollars a year just playing a sport. They get all that money from sponsors, tv comercials, ads, etc.



01. Tiger Woods
02. Michael Schumacher
03. Peyton Manning
04. Michael Jordon
05. Shaquille O'Neil
06. Kevin Garnett
07. Andre Agassi
08. David Beckham
09. Alex Rodriguez
10. Derek Jeter
11. Kobe Bryant
12. Oscar Del La Hoya
13. Mike Tyson
14. Lance Armstrong

Do i REALLY need to go on?


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