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Auranaut, if im not mistaken you said you like Perefect Silence and Zombie Nation. Doesn't that make you a 'Trancecracker'?

well tiesto lost it a while back because he used to flow a set well but now its 2 breakbeat tracks, 2 prog, 2 techno then trance but it does'nt flow. That's my biggest gripe about tiesto, no flow no more.

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Originally posted by Danté Ësto I do beleive firmly, you cant slate another DJ unless you DJ yourself. At the end of the day, you get your set alongside Tiesto, and play first or after. I get a good feeling he's gonna fkin hammer you when it comes to it, so please, unless you know what your talking about, dont talk shit! Rant Over

You're probably right. If someone like myself played before, or after, him, he'd probably get more response. However, if we played the same set, recorded, and allowed people to listen, without knowing who was spinning on them, I'm convinced my set would be a whole lot better. Only way I could see it happening differently is if I was on a terribly off day (one's that hardly ever come around, that bad), and he was on his best game. He's just not a good technical dj, period. His name carries him now, based on the success he had in the past. I used to love him, but I'm not a huge fan anymore.

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Originally posted by torontotrance well tiesto lost it a while back because he used to flow a set well but now its 2 breakbeat tracks, 2 prog, 2 techno then trance but it does'nt flow. That's my biggest gripe about tiesto, no flow no more.

Amen.

I love the guy, i know he can do better. i listen to his mixes and when i hear it slipping i sit there egging him on to touch the record back in time.

I want him to prove himself again, i and many people know he can do better than his recent years.

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Originally posted by torontotrance well tiesto lost it a while back because he used to flow a set well but now its 2 breakbeat tracks, 2 prog, 2 techno then trance but it does'nt flow. That's my biggest gripe about tiesto, no flow no more.

I concur with this statement. I also find he plays too many padded out synth tracks, like Traffic. I can call one of his productions, without having heard it, most times now.

im sorry but tiesto NEVER flowed in my book.

im sure his mixing would be better if he had prerecorded the set (ie used pro-tools).

but its shit.

dj tek: well thats your opinion, but i dont think many people share it. Even the elitist people liked him back in 99-2001 years
He was untouchable

^^^^^
untouchable by who? other substandard trance dj's?

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Originally posted by dj tek im sorry but tiesto NEVER flowed in my book.

well DUH.

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Originally posted by Danté Ësto these threads get more and more pathetic everytime lol. There really is no need to slate the guy. Global Gathering 2004, perfect set, explorative of what he could do, made one error, and that was the needle skipping on the record. Meanwhile, Yoji Biomehanika a few tents away managed to completly bounce the needle of the vinly for .8 of a seconds worth of silence. Now thats an error. Tiesto does use other peoples music, do people not know about DJing and music production? We have these things called riffs, and samples and loops as well as an array of other things....christ i dont even study music! As with Traffic, Sean Deason is credited as the riff came from his production called Psykofuk. Did anyone notice how in "Watching Cars Go By" by Felix Da Housecat there is the little 'hey hey hey' from "FireStarter" by the prodigy? OMFG Felix Da Housecat no longer produces his own music anymore! Music is made by computer? OMFGoodGod! Did you know why bands record in recording studio's? They do this as they are deadly silent when music is not being played. So when they record, there is no extra sound. OMG, why do they do this? Well...you try editing or mixing down a track with reverb and the sound of birds in the background. Its much easier to add things on silence than it is with random noise in the background. DJ'ing by computer? Has anyone ever heared of Final Scratch? you plug your decks into a PC, select your music by your PC, and MANIPULATE the track tempo etc etc etc etc using your decks and mixer.....amazing program isnt it. And Tiesto is cheese? So the first 15 times you hear PvD drop For An Angel is fun, but isnt it credited as being slightly cheesy for pvD to play it. Oh comon, even Ferry Corsten does it on purpose...Rock Your Body Rock? its cheesy as balls but us ravers love it, why? Because its fun and designed to be and it gets the crowd going. RYBR with 9,999 give or take a few people singing along happens to be quite an experiance. I see Armin as a cheeseJ to be honest. Radio show everyweek, trying to be popular? Armin wants what tiesto has ffs. Lets compare tiesto to some other cheesy DJ's.... Tiesto....vs Judge Jules Tiesto....vs Fergie Tiesto....vs Tim Deluxe Tiesto....vs Pete Tong 4 other massive DJ's that leave a strong cheddary taste all over Tiesto. I do beleive firmly, you cant slate another DJ unless you DJ yourself. At the end of the day, you get your set alongside Tiesto, and play first or after. I get a good feeling he's gonna fkin hammer you when it comes to it, so please, unless you know what your talking about, dont talk shit! Rant Over

you love tiesto, you are shit, get over it.

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Originally posted by dartrance dj tek: well thats your opinion, but i dont think many people share it. Even the elitist people liked him back in 99-2001 years He was untouchable

def aye?

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Originally posted by dartrance dj tek: well thats your opinion, but i dont think many people share it. Even the elitist people liked him back in 99-2001 years He was untouchable

i never liked his djing, his sets & compilations didnt mean shit to me during his golden years 99 - 01. what i did like was his productions and remixes thats it.

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Originally posted by dartrance dj tek: well thats your opinion, but i dont think many people share it. Even the elitist people liked him back in 99-2001 years He was untouchable

You obviously don't spin. I used to think he was untouchable too. Then I listened to some of the sets, that were my favorites back then, after having developed my ear through djing myself. Live at Energy 2000, for example, is terribly mixed, including a trainwreck on the first mix.

Tiesto's days are numbered....lol

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Originally posted by Ste you love tiesto, you are shit, get over it.

ste calling it like he sees it

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Originally posted by dartrance dj tek: well thats your opinion, but i dont think many people share it. Even the elitist people liked him back in 99-2001 years He was untouchable

imho he was nice until 2000.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Tiesto's days are numbered....lol

I think your sig is could very well end this debate...

Mr. Kleinenberg basically sums up exactly how I feel about DJ's and DJ'ing... I don't think Tiesto has followed his example...

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Originally posted by DJ RJT I think your sig is could very well end this debate... Mr. Kleinenberg basically sums up exactly how I feel about DJ's and DJ'ing... I don't think Tiesto has followed his example...

Agreed....and thats why i am a 97% convert to Sander K...3% is still with Tiesto...lol

But after all these TICs, Disney, Coke and all the hoopla i tend to cringe.

Dont get me wrong...good for him that he could make the money and be a success...i jus think his sets are really shitty now...i mean playing M. Woods tracks...babahahahhahaha...utter cheese......i cant be bothered..

So ya...my sig sums it up for me!

Comparing popular EDM djs mixing skills is pretty trivial. I mean big names like tiesto and oakenfold realise that all they are doing is playing music, so why even bother trying to mix, just get from one track to another.

I'm confident a dj like tiesto could pull off mixes like sasha and digweed if they wanted to. Especially if they played the same sort of records as them. It is not hard. Mixing just isnt as important to his fans as it is to sashas fans, because sashas fans are people who like to think they are listening to a more intelligent, or superior type of music than oakenfold or whatever else you have. In the end its all the fucking same. Tiestos fans would rather see him stand on a table like a dumbass, and then only step down to throw on another record. Where as sashas fans want to see him acting like he is doing something complex and difficult, you know, to make him look more intelligent and superior to the other big djs. Again, its all the same shit.

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Originally posted by dartrance dj tek: well thats your opinion, but i dont think many people share it. Even the elitist people liked him back in 99-2001 years He was untouchable

Actually I didn't. He couldn't mix much better then, and his track selection was all pumping anthems. Now Oakenfold, around the same time, was also a shitty mixer, but he was decent enough to drop tracks with some dignity, and maybe one anthem in a set. Listen to his Rojam 99 EM; only one track that could even be considered an anthem, all of the tracks are pretty laid-back. Same with the one in Ibiza. I never praised him as the best DJ in the world though, no, I was just grateful for the good music he brought me. And that's that.

But that's not what this argument is about. It's about people like tiestoisgod actually arguing against us when we make good points. They argue that his mixing is good, even on his mixed compilations, when they don't know anything about DJing. Do I know everything? No, but I'm smart enough to realise that short mixes that offer nothing new, like on ISOS4, is not enough to make him the #1 DJ in the world. And I'm not here to argue that Richie Hawtin or whatever is the best, but come on, pick someone with some skill.

Oh, and I like one element of B&J - Perfect Silence (Electro-Craig's 808 Dub or whatever it's called), and the beginning bassline of Kernkraft 400. Sorry if that makes me a trance cracker. Hey, maybe it would be true... if I didn't listen to 30 other genres of EDM.

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Originally posted by auranaut Actually I didn't. He couldn't mix much better then, and his track selection was all pumping anthems. Now Oakenfold, around the same time, was also a shitty mixer, but he was decent enough to drop tracks with some dignity, and maybe one anthem in a set. Listen to his Rojam 99 EM; only one track that could even be considered an anthem, all of the tracks are pretty laid-back.

thats indeed true but it depended on what style of trance you spun, tiesto spun[and made] dutch trance which is an anthemic style of trance music. while oakey spun[and made] uk trance which is less anthemic and more proggy, very melodic, but slower in speed and/with subtle elements.

There's no such thing as UK trance. The nearest to that is prog house.

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Originally posted by dj tek thats indeed true but it depended on what style of trance you spun, tiesto spun[and made] dutch trance which is an anthemic style of trance music. while oakey spun[and made] uk trance which is less anthemic and more proggy, very melodic, but slower in speed and/with subtle elements.

isnt goa prety fast?

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Originally posted by djmetatron For the Tiesto-haters; before you go shooting your mouth off with feebleminded claims about how he is fake or a bad DJ do the following things: -See him live -Listen to Magik 1-7 -Listen to all the Forbidden Paradises' -Listen to Space Age 1.0 & 2.0 -Listen to 'Summerbreeze', 'In My Memory' and 'Nyana' (you can probably skip 'Just Be', heh) -Watch Another Day in the Office -Listen to all the In Search for Sunrises (including no. 4 which just came out ) -Realize he just did a whole slew of shiz for the fucking OLYMPICS and listen to it, its good. Now thank Tiesto for making Trance what it is today. ^_^

So, this thing about his livesets and mixed CDs. They both contain very obvious tracks, so we can't give him credit for that. If you do that you're an idiot. So what's left to be commented on? The mixing. Come out, come out wherever you are, "DJ" metatron, and explain to us what the hell is so good about his mixing, live and in studio.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J There's no such thing as UK trance. The nearest to that is prog house.

lol

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