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Posted by Rob H on Jun-21-2005 23:42:

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Originally posted by bobba lou

the sound waves probably propell it forward

Posted by bobba lou on Jun-22-2005 03:56:

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Originally posted by Nou
Fuckin crap topics in the MD again...

kill urself asap !

Posted by knoxy5000 on Jun-22-2005 09:54:

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Originally posted by Col

^^lmfao

Posted by basd on Jun-22-2005 10:06:

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Originally posted by Nou
Fuckin crap topics in the MD again...

Would you care to explain what exactly is so crappy about this topic?

Posted by knoxy5000 on Jun-22-2005 11:04:

Its funny how people always say vinyl is dying, ever since 2000 people have said its dead, yet in my eyes its stronger than ever, ill bet most revenue for trance artists comes from vinyl sales, Not only that, other genres are soley vinyls, just look at the dmc championships, i think its all down to personal preference really, i dont see it dying within the next 10 years anyway

Personally ill stick with vinyl as it just has that special charm, when you get your new order of records at front door theres a feeling that getting mp3's over the net just cant match.

As for everyone jumping on the sasha bandwagon, abelton has been around for a long while and in the last 2 months just because sasha has whored it you all think its the best thing since sliced bread, that it may be, but to me the fuss has only risen to the masses since he used it, its like he says "jump" and you all say "how high". If ableton is truely this great as you all say and people do make the change over i hope it doesnt ruin the scene regards to sales, Far to many ppl find it just as easy to d/l the mp3s and not pay any loyalties. It might not be the death of the dj but possibly the death of the scene.

There are alot of dj's that are talented all using different hardware / software, my advice is to just stick to one and master it, once again its down to personal preference

Its great thats djing becoming available to the masses though, makes sure we have more talent around, as people strive to make it big they will have to be more original and creative, which can only be a good thing in the end (just look at james zabiela)

p.s. these are only my opinions, doesnt make me right nor wrong

Posted by noonboy on Jun-22-2005 11:56:

Agreed. I think it's ok to experiment, as well as many of you never going back to vinyl again. Personally I perfer a combination of software, CDJS and vinyl at the same time because I like both variation of music and ways to DJ.

I guess it's a matter of taste and/or will to try something new. Like I said, I like all three but it mostly gets back to vinyl in the end, despite that I live where vinyl are barely sold.

Posted by Scottaculous on Jun-22-2005 14:43:

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Originally posted by bobba lou

A shame Faderfox isn't available in the States

Posted by Rob H on Jun-22-2005 14:45:

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Originally posted by knoxy5000
Its funny how people always say vinyl is dying, ever since 2000 people have said its dead, yet in my eyes its stronger than ever, ill bet most revenue for trance artists comes from vinyl sales, Not only that, other genres are soley vinyls, just look at the dmc championships, i think its all down to personal preference really, i dont see it dying within the next 10 years anyway

i love vinyl myself, so this isnt a reply to argue but...

lots of labels have already said that its costing them too much to hav vinyls pressed these days, especialy when its so much easier and cheaper for them to sell mp3s

giv it 2 or 3 years IMO, but i hope to god im proven wrong

Posted by Scottaculous on Jun-22-2005 15:33:

There will always be a market for vinyl DJs, CD DJs and now Ableton DJs. This thread proves it. Different people look for different things when they consider what makes a good DJ. An Ableton DJ will probably never achieve the level of intimacy with your crowd than a DJ with 2 turntables and a mixer on a foldable desk can achieve. Of the three, I think the CD DJs will be the biggest loser since it's really in the middle. CDs will never have the level of innate respect than vinyl nor will it ever achieve creative greatness like Ableton. Sure Zabiela can scratch like a champ and do amazing things with loops but so can a Ableton DJ with a scratchable jog wheel. Zabiela himself admitted he used Ableton with a pair of CDJs to make that fantastic 5 minute mix with 5 different tracks. CDJs will serve as the backups for vinyl and Ableton. But enough about that...

Feast your eyes on Allen & Heath's new attempt on chasing the dream of the perfect Ableton controller. Xone:3D

The Xone:3D is an amalgamation of a fully-featured high performance DJ mixer, a top spec multi-channel USB soundcard, and a comprehensive control surface with MIDI and PC connectivity. This versatile product has 14 stereo inputs and 10 stereo outputs, and can simultaneously mix up to 11 stereo signals. Suggested retail price is �1500.

Posted by Clovis on Jun-22-2005 16:26:

Posted by Clovis on Jun-22-2005 16:38:

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Originally posted by Scottaculous
There will always be a market for vinyl DJs, CD DJs and now Ableton DJs. This thread proves it. Different people look for different things when they consider what makes a good DJ. An Ableton DJ will probably never achieve the level of intimacy with your crowd than a DJ with 2 turntables and a mixer on a foldable desk can achieve. Of the three, I think the CD DJs will be the biggest loser since it's really in the middle. CDs will never have the level of innate respect than vinyl nor will it ever achieve creative greatness like Ableton. Sure Zabiela can scratch like a champ and do amazing things with loops but so can a Ableton DJ with a scratchable jog wheel. Zabiela himself admitted he used Ableton with a pair of CDJs to make that fantastic 5 minute mix with 5 different tracks. CDJs will serve as the backups for vinyl and Ableton. But enough about that...

To follow up on your very good post Scott, I think at the same time, the interaction with an Ableton DJ is more fun, because, as Sasha said, it puts some magic back into the DJ persona. I for one, love watching a good DJ like Digweed, Tenaglia etc mix on CD/vynil...but I can always tell exactly what they are doing. I can tell when Digweed is cueing up, when hes touching pitch, when hes slowing the record down a tad on the platter...but when I see Sasha...I have no fucking clue what hes doing...all I can go by is the sounds and whatever it seems like he is modifying via his controller.

I had a blast watching him use Ableton, he got really into it (like he said he can find his groove faster) and was dancing in front of his controller while using that echo effect during an amazingly long buildup...when he dropped the bass back in with the twist of a knob the club went crazy, and so did he!

So in the end...its the DJ that really matters, not what they are using or how they acheive their sound...although Ableton offers capabilities that are just so far beyond what you could do with decks/mixer.

Posted by Aiwendil on Jun-22-2005 17:35:

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Originally posted by Scottaculous
There will always be a market for vinyl DJs, CD DJs and now Ableton DJs. This thread proves it. Different people look for different things when they consider what makes a good DJ. An Ableton DJ will probably never achieve the level of intimacy with your crowd than a DJ with 2 turntables and a mixer on a foldable desk can achieve. Of the three, I think the CD DJs will be the biggest loser since it's really in the middle. CDs will never have the level of innate respect than vinyl nor will it ever achieve creative greatness like Ableton. Sure Zabiela can scratch like a champ and do amazing things with loops but so can a Ableton DJ with a scratchable jog wheel. Zabiela himself admitted he used Ableton with a pair of CDJs to make that fantastic 5 minute mix with 5 different tracks. CDJs will serve as the backups for vinyl and Ableton. But enough about that...

Feast your eyes on Allen & Heath's new attempt on chasing the dream of the perfect Ableton controller. Xone:3D

[imghttp://www.dj2dj.nl/images/ahxone3dmusikmesse/xone3d.jpg[/img]

The Xone:3D is an amalgamation of a fully-featured high performance DJ mixer, a top spec multi-channel USB soundcard, and a comprehensive control surface with MIDI and PC connectivity. This versatile product has 14 stereo inputs and 10 stereo outputs, and can simultaneously mix up to 11 stereo signals. Suggested retail price is �1500.

http://www.richiehawtin.com/CTRL/CTRL92.html

I guess it's in the first post. Oh well!

Posted by Prism on Jun-27-2005 15:07:

The Prodigy's Liam Howlett has been using it in his live shows

(The two laptops)

Posted by CleverName on Jun-27-2005 15:40:

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Originally posted by Demoted
My problem with Abelton Live is that when a dj uses it "live" as it's intended, it detracts from him or her actually getting involved with the crowd. All you see is a dj staring at a monitor and moving knobs about on specially-made controllers.

As opposed to what, seeing a dj staring at his vinyl/cds while beatmatching? That's a pretty weak point...

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Case and point, Sasha, I just saw him recently, and he didn't interact much at all with the crowd. Whereas Ferry did a set entirely off of cdjs and still maintained a connection with the crowd.

Sasha has ALWAYS been like that - focused, not jumping around like a wounded duck. Ferry is known for his crowd interraction. So long as a dj plays what the crowd wants to hear, I don't care if he's clapping and jumping in the booth or if he is stoic and calm. Both styles have equal merit. Wild antics does not a good dj make...

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