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Posted by civicstyle on Jul-03-2005 05:47:

quote:
Originally posted by xtractorfan
The "war" on drugs cannot be won.


so phukin true.

-ryan


Posted by randyval on Jul-03-2005 08:31:

quote:
Originally posted by flavdave
Oh, really?

no more dangerious than swiming or rock climing or driving, i lost a few good friends to car accedents, none of my friends have died from drug use (knocks on wood).
fact is there are dangers everywhere, the best anyone can do is take steps to be safe, but like in any situation the unexpected can happen.
addiction is a bitch, but not everybody is prone to be an addict.
if your an addict your an addict be it alchol chocloate, cocain, gambling, work, adrenalin rush from extreme sports, anyone of these things can ruin a life. shit even world of warcraft has killed, so should all these things be banned?
i personally believe no man should have a say with what i put into my body,if i want to get high it should be my choice.
its funny the way are governement would lead us to belive drugs are evil, and if i use them im sick, or an addict, no, i just like to blow off steam and get fucked up once in a while, and since i dont drink, it limits my choices.

you wouldnt go skydiving without equipment and instruction,the same should be with drugs.
drugs can be used safely, but like getting the morning paper, its a risk.
hell if i wanted to be "safe", i would lock myself away and never go out, and just hope an earthquake doesnt hit
i like drugs, and i have had my ups and downs, but after the hangover wears off im right as rain again.
the last 3 years i have all but stoped, but even now i still make it out for 2 good parties a year, if i didnt id go nuts.


Posted by randyval on Jul-03-2005 08:43:

there is an exelent documentery from the history channel
"illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way"
you might be shocked to learn our whole modern attitude towards drugs are only about 100 years old.
for instance did you know in the 80's the supreme court ruled ecstacy should not be banned, after testomony from doctors and psycologists.
well in spite of the ruling, the very next day the dea overuled the us supreme court, and made it a class 1.
defenatly worth checking out.


Posted by randyval on Jul-03-2005 08:47:

poverty kills waaaaaay more people than drugs, and i dont see goverements doing much about that.
i wonder why


Posted by JakeC on Jul-03-2005 08:50:

quote:
Originally posted by jrbuddha
All these studies about marijuana being harmful, and having no redeeming value, medicinal or otherwise are paid for by a couple large groups:

1)Pharmaceutacal
2)Logging
3)Companies like Dow Chemical and 3M.

Pharmaceutacal groups want it kept illegal because they can't put a patent on it, or make money off of it, if you can grow your own.

The other 2 groups would stand to lose lots of money due to all the uses that hemp posseses, such as superior paper making qualities, and superior fabrics for a lesser cost to produce.


Marijuana is harmful.

before i found out about it i was bouncy and happy.

nowadays im tired most of the day and i have even developed a slight speech impedement due to the weed dumbing down my brain.


Posted by Ste on Jul-03-2005 09:52:

quote:
Originally posted by JakeC
Marijuana is harmful.

before i found out about it i was bouncy and happy.

nowadays im tired most of the day and i have even developed a slight speech impedement due to the weed dumbing down my brain.


cannabis is known to have effects on the developing teenage brain if smoked continuously from an early age...


however i dont know too many people who go out clubbing and have a spliff, even if this thread has taken a bit of a tangent


Posted by JasonThomas on Jul-03-2005 10:18:

again... back on subject:
quote:
Originally posted by JasonThomas like 7 pages ago!
I was at Freaknight as well and didn't sense anything out of the norm. I just don't see how they could pull it off without people getting a whiff of it. You have "a friend in law enforcement" and you read a "report" from a "six-man team"? Please give more detail of the report; how did they make arrests? Were most of the arrests related or associated with eachother or were there separate dealers being arrested?

Also you say it's a program taking place all over the country, which means that it's a federal program, which means it would more likely be DEA agents rather than "undercover police officers".


Seriously I think these police operations are a complete farse. The police/federal government does not have this much finesse . Anyone, please present some credible information on the subject.

quote:
[b]Originally posted by JakeC]b]
Marijuana is harmful.

before i found out about it i was bouncy and happy.

nowadays im tired most of the day and i have even developed a slight speech impedement due to the weed dumbing down my brain.


oh and.. LOLZZZ


Posted by JakeC on Jul-03-2005 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by djmetatron


oh and.. LOLZZZ


its not my fault.....

too many drug dealers


Posted by jrbuddha on Jul-03-2005 19:54:

and good drugs


Posted by Pinokio on Jul-03-2005 20:29:

A few Links for you guys to learn something:

http://www.dancesafe.org/

Your Brain On Exctasy!

Recreational Drugs

Read, Learn, And Make Your Choice.

I live in a world sorrunded by drugs use, so I decided to learn what they do to me, in an objective way (Positive & Negative).

i won't tell you what to do, first you have to leanr and made your own decision.

I think the problem of drugs its not the legal or Illegal Issue, If we wanna help the society we should tell them the truth and educate people about them.


Just an Opinion:

Never Excess Anything in Life.


Posted by DjRonskiSpeed on Jul-03-2005 22:02:

Just say no kids, Don't let peer pressure take over. There is NO upside to taking drugs or alcohol abuse. You'll only be hurting yourself and your friends and family.


Drug dealers should all burn for their crimes


Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jul-03-2005 22:14:

quote:
Originally posted by DjRonskiSpeed
Just say no kids, Don't let peer pressure take over. There is NO upside to taking drugs or alcohol abuse. You'll only be hurting yourself and your friends and family.


Drug dealers should all burn for their crimes





Oh for fuck sake.


Posted by kr00t0n on Jul-03-2005 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by DjRonskiSpeed
Just say no kids, Don't let peer pressure take over. There is NO upside to taking drugs or alcohol abuse. You'll only be hurting yourself and your friends and family.


Drug dealers should all burn for their crimes


Are you an alt?

I only ask coz we are a mere 3 days into the month


Posted by Max Thomson on Jul-04-2005 07:49:

11 people in 8 hours? Yeah thats real effective, and a great way to spend my tax money...


Posted by DJ Cinos on Jul-04-2005 07:56:

I'll tell you if I become stupider after I try cannabis and mushrooms some day.

Notice: my brain isn't developing anymore though, being 18.


Posted by Tranced17 on Jul-06-2005 19:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Rain
People are often told by somebody that they need to take a pill to feel better and are so desperate that even thou they don't want to take it they still will hoping it will make "things" better.


What the fuck are you on about?

You all sound so fucking superficial here.

If you take a pill containing MDMA/MDA e.t.c then you almost certainly WILL feel better. It's fucking standard procedure. It's not about being desperate, it's about enjoying yourself.

Anyone who can't grasp that is an idiot. Or maybe just naieve.


Posted by UWM on Jul-06-2005 19:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Rain
Only a person with a drinking problem might find my statement ignorant, alcoholism is a weakness not a disease like they tell all the people that go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.


Alcoholism is a disease, idiot. Once you become an alcoholic your body becomes accustomed to having alcohol in your system and you cannot function properly without it. Serious alcoholics who try to quit 'cold turkey' can die. Yes, DIE.

I guess I must have a drinking problem because I know my facts before spouting off on them.


Posted by Tranced17 on Jul-06-2005 19:48:

quote:
Originally posted by DjRonskiSpeed
Just say no kids, Don't let peer pressure take over. There is NO upside to taking drugs or alcohol abuse. You'll only be hurting yourself and your friends and family.


Drug dealers should all burn for their crimes


Please tell me this is not actually Ronski Speed?

If it is then I've experienced the oh so prevalent upsides many times, including to a load of your tracks. However, you sound like a fucking clueless penis. Get over yourself.


Posted by Vyper0987 on Jul-06-2005 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Rain
Only a person with a drinking problem might find my statement ignorant, alcoholism is a weakness not a disease like they tell all the people that go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. I studied psychology myself for a while plus there is one more person in my household that has an actual degree in psychology. Do you seriously think that I'm ignorant because after (for example) two drinks I say no thank you I had enough for today instead of finishing the whole bottle just because it's not empty ? Trust me if I want I can drink till I pass out I simply choose not to and I do work in night clubs plus I party every weekend thanks to the fact that we have a schedule rotation, so I never loose the entire weekend on work, if you can call working in a club work, to me it's fun.



alcoholism is a recognized DISEASE. your body becomes physically dependent on it and like UWM said, you can DIE from quitting cold turkey. And why are you at AA meetings if you only have two drinks a night?

All of your posts show your COMPLETE ignorance about the topic


Posted by Vyper0987 on Jul-06-2005 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranced17
Please tell me this is not actually Ronski Speed?

If it is then I've experienced the oh so prevalent upsides many times, including to a load of your tracks. However, you sound like a fucking clueless penis. Get over yourself.



it's not...it's some turd from New York...and he does sound like a 16 year old clueless penis.


Posted by Digital Rain on Jul-06-2005 21:59:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
Alcoholism is a disease, idiot. Once you become an alcoholic your body becomes accustomed to having alcohol in your system and you cannot function properly without it. Serious alcoholics who try to quit 'cold turkey' can die. Yes, DIE.

I guess I must have a drinking problem because I know my facts before spouting off on them.


If you're so smart name a bacteria or virus that causes the "disease" called alcoholism. Plus you're very quick to call people ignorant and "idiots" and you have no clue what I was actually writing about. I was writing about choice. Before you become an alcoholic you do have a choice, you can simply not drink at all or have a drink or two and stop at that, you don't have to get totally wasted, you don't have to ruin your life, you don't have to spend all your money on alcohol, you don't have to destroy your family and hurt the people that love and care about you. That's why only weak people become alcoholics or people that actually are to ignorant to care about anything. The real alcoholism is when you let that substance control your life. Besides reading you should do some thinking every once in a while.


Posted by UWM on Jul-06-2005 22:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Rain
If you're so smart name a bacteria or virus that causes the "disease" called alcoholism. Plus you're very quick to call people ignorant and "idiots" and you have no clue what I was actually writing about. I was writing about choice. Before you become an alcoholic you do have a choice, you can simply not drink at all or have a drink or two and stop at that, you don't have to get totally wasted, you don't have to ruin your life, you don't have to spend all your money on alcohol, you don't have to destroy your family and hurt the people that love and care about you. That's why only weak people become alcoholics or people that actually are to ignorant to care about anything. The real alcoholism is when you let that substance control your life. Besides reading you should do some thinking every once in a while.


There is no bacteria or virus that causes alcoholism. Ever heard of muscular dystrophy? Leukemia? Cancer? What virus or bacteria causes those diseases?

And, to a point, allowing your body to become alcoholic is a choice. I mean, yes you can choose to have 1 drink or 5 drinks or 10 drinks. Do you know that every person's body has a threshold of alcohol tolerance that, when reached, makes them an alcoholic for the rest of their lives? And did you also know that certain families / genetic lines have a higher pre-disposition to alcoholism than others. So (for simplicity's sake, I'll use arbitrary factors) someone might have a tolerance of 15 while another may have a tolerance of 2. I know people who have drank heavily for years and have not had a problem with alcoholism, and known others who have succombed to it after only a short period. Maybe your 1 or 2 drinks over a long enough period of time will breach your body's tolerance limit and make you an alcoholic. But was that by your choice?


Posted by Spirit5 on Jul-06-2005 22:25:

I agree with a lot of what your saying UWM, however it is to be noted that alcoholism, just like other drug-addictions is largely psychological (not just genetic). Just as some other psychological distorders are thought be partially genetic (scizophrenia, bipolar, depression), so is alcoholism. It's not like someone is born an alcoholic, it is something that occurs over time, once that person becomes more and more exposed to (and dependent upon) the substance. Some people use drugs as a coping mechanism or a way to escape reality, and when they get that high from it, they want to keep going back and back. This is the psychological aspect of it, because it is used as a substitution for real emotions, for real ways to cope with problems. Usually (not always) people with drug-dependency have other problems. This is a disorder or impairment, but not really a "Disease", as diseases are largely biological/chemical. Unless it's a brain tumor or something caused by brain damage, or some other neurological problem that count for being a "disease" like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, it's a disorder.


Posted by tctitan on Jul-06-2005 22:46:

as far as the police operations go it happened here in d.c. in 2001. there used to be a huge rave at the d.c. armory thrown by ultraworld (energize, engage & a bunch of others). the last one in nov. 2k1 pvd was there and i remember seeing people getting carried out by "bouncers" or whoever, then the next day in the paper there was a story about it, can't remember how many were busted though. but because of that, they were never allowed to throw a party there anymore since it was on military property, bad publicity.

about drug use, i used to roll steady every week for about 5 years straight (at least 5 pills a week). i recently saw a neurologist about some anxiety problems i had, he suggested an eeg, similar to ekg for heart, but for the brain (tests electrical signals). everyone was so sure that drugs had me all fucked up, turns out everything checked out normal and my problem was psychological, boyhood trauma. so i agree that a lot of those studies are bullshit (by the way it wasn't only e i did, just about everything except meth, crack & heroin).


Posted by washout on Jul-06-2005 23:38:

a professor at my university just got arrested for sailing at a club here in florida.
...
to add insult to injury, a gay club.


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