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Zombie Nation live version is a bit cheesy i must admit and so is the video clip.

But the normal version is good. imo.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n It's more of an unfortunate case that cheesy is associated with happy, and prog and minimal techno don't have happy vibes in them, whereas trance and also house tend to do so.

Yeah, not having happy vibes probably is enough to save a track from being called "cheesy". However it doesn't save it from criticism. "Dull", "monotonous", "doesn't go anywhere", that's what many people call prog and minimal techno. (Not saying i agree, tho there are indeed some poor prog and techno tracks, like in every genre)

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Thus people refer to them as cheesy, especially those that have become bitter over the years for some bizarre reason towards some types of EDM. I for one still love the kind of trance that I love, have done so for almost 8 years now, but that's not to say I odnt mix/listen to/appreciate other genres, especially at the moment when current trance is rather stagnent with all the remakes and general samey sound. But there not being that many tracks around at the moment has no impact on the tracks I love from the past, why on earth should it?

Yep, you shouldn't stop listening to what you like just because it doesn't happen to be the cool thing at the moment.

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The reason I believe epic trancers, to which I admit being a part of, often get aggressive is due to the fact that it is the most picked upon genre, especially the 'Oh, you must be new to the scene, your tastes will evolve to better things and you will cast trance aside just like I and so many others did' attitude. I mean really, why should a persons musical taste be the most determining factor in how long or in depth they have been listening to EDM?

Ok i understand your point. There is indeed a preconcept on epic trancers, while many are newbies, there are some people like you that resist and keep faithful to it. However there is clearly A LOT of people that started with epic trance and got the fuck out of it not much later, so there's undoubtly a pattern there. A vicious circle of people leave trance -> people who left start saying trance isn't "cool" -> people leave it to be cool? Perhaps. However i think it's just natural to eventually get bored with it and keep the "evolution" in one's musical taste. Eventually we'll stop somewhere, or just like a little bit of everything. But this doesn't mean whatever genre people move to is superior to epic trance, or atleast it doesn't mean people who have moved are better than people who have. Now that's elitism.

Wrote too much and started going around randomly without proving any point

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Yeah, not having happy vibes probably is enough to save a track from being called "cheesy". However it doesn't save it from criticism. "Dull", "monotonous", "doesn't go anywhere", that's what many people call prog and minimal techno. (Not saying i agree, tho there are indeed some poor prog and techno tracks, like in every genre) Yep, you shouldn't stop listening to what you like just because it doesn't happen to be the cool thing at the moment. Ok i understand your point. There is indeed a preconcept on epic trancers, while many are newbies, there are some people like you that resist and keep faithful to it. However there is clearly A LOT of people that started with epic trance and got the fuck out of it not much later, so there's undoubtly a pattern there. A vicious circle of people leave trance -> people who left start saying trance isn't "cool" -> people leave it to be cool? Perhaps. However i think it's just natural to eventually get bored with it and keep the "evolution" in one's musical taste. Eventually we'll stop somewhere, or just like a little bit of everything. But this doesn't mean whatever genre people move to is superior to epic trance, or atleast it doesn't mean people who have moved are better than people who have. Now that's elitism. Wrote too much and started going around randomly without proving any point

Not at all, at least you have a proper comprehension of it all

Hilarious. I think the biggest problem with this site, is that people seem to think the following is the lore:

Cheese = Bad

Which is a load of shite. The Prodigy's Out of Space is about as cheesy as is humanly possible: chipmunk rave vocals, a reggae sample and even "boing" sounds. None of this stops it being one of the biggest floor-fillers ever written, and being held in high regard by almost every EDM listener who knows what's he's talking about.

This thread is clogged (as they always are) with people who like to show off their e-penis by deeming any half-way hyped track as cheese, and the other kind of idiot: those who refuse to believe that what they listen to is cheesy.

Speaking of 'boing' noises:

Solid Globe - Sahara

*boing boing boing-boing boing-boing*

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Hilarious. I think the biggest problem with this site, is that people seem to think the following is the lore: Cheese = Bad Which is a load of shite.

agreed. so many people have quoted me and refuted what i say but peoples opinions of "cheese" are all personal opinion. i listen to what i feel is cheese. big deal. i like it. who cares. i dont listen to dj sammy or shit like that but for actual trance artists, i listen to a few cheesy ones. funny how some people get so offended and worked up. cheese isnt necessarily a bad thing. atleast in my opinion. just means you're listening to something a bit more commercialized or with dumb vocals or a very uplifting and euphoric melody.

LMFAO...

The differentiation of opinions in this thread are amazing. I agree with some and disagree with some.


Cheese = DJ Sammy, Darude, Ian Van Dahl

I don't see how after all my years here people still argue about this. I personally don't eat cheese, however, i tend to make cheese, but i don't give a shit. It pays better then weird underground crap we all love.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Paul Van Dyk - Words (PvD's For Love Mix)

i really like that song..

but for some bad ones..

svenson and gielen - beachbreeze

i'll remember the summer forever! you took my ???.. you took my hands.. took me to the ocean... made love to mmeeeee!!! in the waaaatteerr!!!!

uh.. dani minogues ruined riva - stringer with her who do you love now song...

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Originally posted by gouuryella suck my fuckin dick bitch, go fuckin learn how to respect music and then talk to me u fuckin deep shit.

who the fuck are you?

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Originally posted by Sykonee Speaking of 'boing' noises: Solid Globe - Sahara *boing boing boing-boing boing-boing*

i can see that.. i really liked north pole though

how bout fromunda cheese?

Chris Liebing
Dave Clarke
Sven Vath

if you find that cheesy, i hope you sleep well at night

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue svenson and gielen - beachbreeze i'll remember the summer forever! you took my ???.. you took my hands.. took me to the ocean... made love to mmeeeee!!! in the waaaatteerr!!!!

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue uh.. dani minogues ruined riva - stringer with her who do you love now song...

Man that was bad.

We seem to have forgotten Flip & Fill

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Originally posted by D-res Tiesticle played before 6,000,000,000 people at the fucking olympics.

So only 1 billion ppl missed the performance, or the whole world would've seen it... shit we were sooo close!

HAHAHAH i love all the arguing here, thats the true trance cheese... you know what they say about arguing on the internet...

man i made a good point a few pages back. its alot more sensible than most of the posts here. im supprised no one has answered. i hate to toot my own horn here but...

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Originally posted by Endre I don't see how after all my years here people still argue about this. I personally don't eat cheese, however, i tend to make cheese, but i don't give a shit. It pays better then weird underground crap we all love.

I must say, that if this is the Endre that produced Kallocain, then I wouldn't consider it cheesey at all. Love that track too!

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Originally posted by twisted man i made a good point a few pages back. its alot more sensible than most of the posts here. im supprised no one has answered. i hate to toot my own horn here but...

i read it, i don't really believe it to apply to all trance listeners though. take kr00t0n's post on the last page for instance:

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I for one still love the kind of trance that I love, have done so for almost 8 years now, but that's not to say I odnt mix/listen to/appreciate other genres, especially at the moment when current trance is rather stagnent with all the remakes and general samey sound. But there not being that many tracks around at the moment has no impact on the tracks I love from the past, why on earth should it? The reason I believe epic trancers, to which I admit being a part of, often get aggressive is due to the fact that it is the most picked upon genre, especially the 'Oh, you must be new to the scene, your tastes will evolve to better things and you will cast trance aside just like I and so many others did' attitude. I mean really, why should a persons musical taste be the most determining factor in how long or in depth they have been listening to EDM?

i'm pretty similar in a way. i started off listening to commercial dance with a similar structure/similar elements to trance when i was about 10 in 1996, then progressed to trance around 98/99... then in 2001ish i started listening to more progressive/housier sounds... natural progression like you would suggest. but come late 2002/3 i started listening to more uplifting trance tracks again and realised i still liked it, and still do to this day. i'll freely admit it's formulaic and musically quite simple but when done well, it flicks my switch, and will carry on doing so... it has nothing whatsoever do to with lack of musical understanding or emotional dependence or whatever.. it's taste, nothing more

i guess i'm only reiterating what's on the previous page but whatever. paranoik0 summed it up when he mentioned the common pattern of new listeners eventually progressing so i can see where you're coming from. just it doesn't apply to everyone.

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Originally posted by Trance Seed So only 1 billion ppl missed the performance, or the whole world would've seen it... shit we were sooo close!

it was a typo.. my bad.. stfu

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Originally posted by DJAntSmith "Now listen up, here's a story. About a litle guy who lives in a blue world!"

Oh no... please I don't need to see those lyrics

The fricken vocal mixes of Ligaya. Stupid friggin lyrics that don't fit the rest of the song AT ALL. The ONLY reason they were put there was in hopes that the mainstream music likers would like it. Way to butcher one of the best choons evar.


And as for all of you that put Sandstorm as cheese, how come in 2000 it was dancefloor bomb, but now it would make the club riot? The answer is because it became populer, not because it's cheese. Once it got populer, all you elitist pricks went 'zomg this is populer, everyone is liking it right now, I can't have the same musical tastes as everyone else, this song's gay!' and all the n00bz that look up to these elitist pricks saw them bashing it and, like sheep, they followed suit.


Also, the JS16 and Terpischord remixs of Sandstorm are pretty damn good.

Listen to what you like.

Who cares what other people think?

Listen to what you like.

Who cares what other people think?

i dont like armand van helden...

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