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Originally posted by Floorfiller can this sentence even make sense

When you consider his opinion objectively, trance in 2005 has less artistic merit than in 1999. And "taking away the Universal Nations and Out of the Blues" is really an unfair comparison, because everyone knows you don't tracks that big these days.

Basically, even as a personal opinion, it's built on flawed logic.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij I don't get you're point, a rap single cost as much as a trance one or not? And why should you even care about how they spend there money? I don't ask what the man does with its money who delivers my post... And if i knew: what the hell.. its his life!

if you tell me a g-unit album is worth 16$ then you are wrong. Music is just like any art, no two same compositions cost the same...

im not buying his album just to put a microscopic piece of diamond on him, whereas i will buy a good trance album from little known producer so he could get better equipment and make more music, therefore helping them make it in the game.

it does make the difference what they do with the money because by buying the album you support that artist instead of downloading his shit, giving him money to do what hes doing, and if you're broke does that mean u cant get to enjoy someone's music?

there are many angles to this, but i say always buy the album when you can and when you think the artist deserves it

Even disregarding your prejudice against hip-hop artists, remember that a good portion of the profit from most hip-hop tracks goes to very old musicans, as it's very hard to find hip-hop that isn't built around at least one sample.

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Originally posted by Kaybi if you tell me a g-unit album is worth 16$ then you are wrong. Music is just like any art, no two same compositions cost the same... im not buying his album just to put a microscopic piece of diamond on him, whereas i will buy a good trance album from little known producer so he could get better equipment and make more music, therefore helping them make it in the game. it does make the difference what they do with the money because by buying the album you support that artist instead of downloading his shit, giving him money to do what hes doing, and if you're broke does that mean u cant get to enjoy someone's music? there are many angles to this, but i say always buy the album when you can and when you think the artist deserves it

Is he putting a price to each song & album? No

If you dont think its worth $16 simple dont even download it then. Wouldnt it just be a waste of time if you think its that bad musically?

Also you think anything in music videos is even nearly real? 99% of them are fake & rented stuff just for the video, as most live semi normal lives.

And as much as i hate 50 cent. Who ever does the enginnering for his tracks & production does an amazing job, the quality is the best I have heard in any cd . Its super clear and the depth is really good as well.

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Originally posted by Kaybi if you tell me a g-unit album is worth 16$ then you are wrong. Music is just like any art, no two same compositions cost the same...

Thats very subjective, i think you and i won't think it's worth it, but if others do, it is to them.

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im not buying his album just to put a microscopic piece of diamond on him, whereas i will buy a good trance album from little known producer so he could get better equipment and make more music, therefore helping them make it in the game.

Fair enough! But still if you like his music whether he is a coke addict or not, has a gold c0ck if he wants or not you pay for the music, not for his personal behaviour IMO. But i agree, it would be more nice to see if he spends it on his musical stuff. And if full time musician had to spend every cent they make on the music again, where should get his money from for other non musical expenses?

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Originally posted by paranoik0 I guess this means there's a huge void that could be filled. If someone credible within the electronic scene comes up with a MP3 selling site plus taking care of the promotion of the tracks it could eventually have some success. But this would be just another kind of record label, it would still be an intermediary.

like joof or anjunadigital?

www.vradiostation.com


maybe...

im not prejudiced against hip-hop... i buy rap records today, i support artists that deserve it. immortal technique, big L (when he was still alive), Mos Def. i dont even download 50cent, and other shit thats on the radio. im just giving examples, its support for the overrated artists from non-thought-indulging masses that brought record prices to such heights and brought the quality of their music down, how often does this happen. one good track on the album and the rest is crap? just because you like one song should you buy the whole album? NO.

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Originally posted by Kaybi im not prejudiced against hip-hop... i buy rap records today, i support artists that deserve it. immortal technique, big L (when he was still alive), Mos Def. i dont even download 50cent, and other shit thats on the radio. im just giving examples, its support for the overrated artists from non-thought-indulging masses that brought record prices to such heights and brought the quality of their music down, how often does this happen. one good track on the album and the rest is crap? just because you like one song should you buy the whole album? NO.

Obviously you shouldn't pay for music you don't like
But that was not your point, you didn't like the way they spend your money right?

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Originally posted by Kaybi im not prejudiced against hip-hop... i buy rap records today, i support artists that deserve it. immortal technique, big L (when he was still alive), Mos Def. i dont even download 50cent, and other shit thats on the radio. im just giving examples, its support for the overrated artists from non-thought-indulging masses that brought record prices to such heights and brought the quality of their music down, how often does this happen. one good track on the album and the rest is crap? just because you like one song should you buy the whole album? NO.

Prices go down when more people buy them.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij But still if you like his music whether he is a coke addict or not, has a gold c0ck if he wants or not you pay for the music, not for his personal behaviour IMO.

mainstream rap all they do is talk about their personal behavior, thats the whole music, im gonna take the money u paid for my cd, buy some cristal, grope bitches, buy some rims to show off in front of my homeys, and then buy and resell some coke to make even more money... you could like the music, but u can still choose whether to support what hes doing

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Originally posted by Kaybi mainstream rap all they do is talk about their personal behavior, thats the whole music, im gonna take the money u paid for my cd, buy some cristal, grope bitches, buy some rims to show off in front of my homeys, and then buy and resell some coke to make even more money... you could like the music, but u can still choose whether to support what hes doing

Okay i agree, but you don't listen to that music a lot then?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Prices go down when more people buy them.

lol. what country you live in. maybe if you buy 10 CDs at same time u get a discount....

why would they lower prices if everyone's buying?

when everyone buys shares of a company, the prices of a share goes UP

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Originally posted by Kaybi lol. what country you live in. maybe if you buy 10 CDs at same time u get a discount.... why would they lower prices if everyone's buying? when everyone buys shares of a company, the prices of a share goes UP

If you have noticed Cd prices have droped from the past prices $19-22(00-01).

Fundacion was $11


If you lower the price, you sell more.

"if you lower the prices you sell more"

because records arent selling that well. if they were selling good would they drop prices for the hell of it, to do the consumer a favor? no.... record sales in general went down, thats why the prices go down.. but never would someone lower prices if he was selling more and more

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Originally posted by Kaybi "if you lower the prices you sell more" because records arent selling that well. if they were selling good would they drop prices for the hell of it, to do the consumer a favor? no.... record sales in general went down, thats why the prices go down.. but never would someone lower prices if he was selling more and more

Your crazy. You think its a favor to lower the prices? Hell no. But it makes the people that are not sure about buying the releases into buying them. There are so many tracks that I could not justify buying them if they are going to cost me $14 but I sure as hell would if they were $8.

Why dont they make vinyl $20 a record then? or $30 a record? Obviously cause less people would buy it, even though they would make more of a profit.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Your crazy. You think its a favor to lower the prices? Hell no. But it makes the people that are not sure about buying the releases into buying them. There are so many tracks that I could not justify buying them if they are going to cost me $14 but I sure as hell would if they were $8. Why dont they make vinyl $20 a record then? or $30 a record? Obviously cause less people would buy it, even though they would make more of a profit.

The point he's trying to make is that prices have took a dramatic hit becuase sales are low, in hopes of boosting sales and making it a more attractive purchase.

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Originally posted by DC- The point he's trying to make is that prices have took a dramatic hit becuase sales are low, in hopes of boosting sales and making it a more attractive purchase.

Simple. You'd rather squander your money elsewhere.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Simple. You'd rather squander your money elsewhere.

ha! thread closed

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Simple. You'd rather squander your money elsewhere.

pretty much spot on there.

reasons not to pay for music, is the fact that its impossible to get.. Trance has been taken off the record stores.. its just not there, its not even possible to order it.. (i know u can order through web) but thats for those who has VISA, which myself doesnt..

and due to people cant find trance in there local music store, they would have to download it to get it..

because u are downloading it, to get it.. the record stores lose demands, and therefore wouldnt consider importing it..

also, the quality of trance has really decreased.. and those who has been there longer than teh ASOT XXL.. doesnt find the new trance much interesting and they are the ones who were potential buyers.. while the newbies of trance that just dicovered ASOT.. and they KNOW.. they can get those tracks for free..

SOLUTION would be to STOP the access to all the tracks.. CLOSE DOWN p2p networks such as DC, Soulseek, Limewire and what not..

i HATE the possibility of download, i despice it..

BEFORE, u hadd to track down a CD u want, you hadd to search for it in different record stores, see if they could import it.. then u WAITED.. and waited.. constantly looking forward to see what this cool CD hadd for you to wait for.. and that was a great feeling.. which due to todays technology.. would never be the same..

and btw Benno, i have Rank 1 - Awakening on vinyl

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Originally posted by Subtle reasons not to pay for music, is the fact that its impossible to get.. Trance has been taken off the record stores.. its just not there, its not even possible to order it.. (i know u can order through web) but thats for those who has VISA, which myself doesnt..

www.decks.de has a reasonable trance selection, and you don't need a credit card in order to get records from them. At least I don't (I'm in Holland, they're in Germany), dunno how it is for Norway though.

They're reliable as well, ordered off them quite a few times.

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Originally posted by isoterra like joof or anjunadigital?

yeah, but on a larger scale. you go to one of those and all they have is trance or trance-related. now what if all the tracks on beatport were there without the intervention of record labels? that's what i'm talking about.

but then again, this is an utopy and wouldn't solve that many problems.

if you really love music (i'm talking as the producer) you shouldn't care about money

care about ppl really likes what you produced and give them the most amazing music they'll ever hear

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