Let New Orleans Rot - TranceAddict Forums

TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Chill Out Room
-- Let New Orleans Rot
Pages (8): « 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 »

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
What they need to do is get all the water out of there and then napalm the entire area....then rebuild from scratch

-1

A lot of buildings from the French Quarter have survived which would be devestating if they caught on fire and were burned

Posted by flavdave on Sep-02-2005 22:13:

While I'm not excactly happy with our government, I will say that I would much rather have them run the country than some of you guys.

Posted by wizniz on Sep-02-2005 22:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Aiwendil
http://mirror1.ev1helps.net/WWL-AM-Interview-Nagin.mp3

Full uncensored radio interview with the mayor of New Orleans. Check it. Or not. Interesting though.

very good post. thanks

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:19:

quote:
Originally posted by flavdave
While I'm not excactly happy with our government, I will say that I would much rather have them run the country than some of you guys.

harsh

Posted by tribu on Sep-02-2005 22:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
harsh

and yet, totally logical

Posted by peterdjsgirl on Sep-02-2005 22:21:

I am so angry with many Americans!!! I hate the fact that some have to point fingers and place blame, on the government, on the people who live in the area, on anyone... AAAHHHH!!! We have to be more intelligent than this... The reality is this, it's been 72 hours since NO started flooding, We have rescued, relocated, and sent supplies to thousands and thousands of people. We have done this in an area that has no communication, no electricity, no normal ways of transportation. The closest they could get was 150 miles away and then had to work there way through the destruction to get to NO. Landmarks are gone, you can't follow street signs or maps, people were preparing for a hurricane, a situation where you expected to start recovery the next day. There is no way to REALLY prepare for something like this. Then to make the situation worse, and something I think is difficult for anyone to comprehend... you have people shooting rescue workers, helicopters, and hurting the victims of this disaster. We live in America, we don't understand catastrophe, we don't understand the realities of trying to respond, we are so spoiled that we can't even see that we have been doing right. This is the USA, people aren't supposed to die and we don't know how to deal with it when our mortality is faced. We are ignorant to what it takes to try and get in there and help... we think that it should be easy, but it takes organization and a little bit of time to try and respond. We get angry with the fed. gov. without realizing that that we are governed at local, state and federal levels and that each level is working hard and fast. More importantly, we should be looking to the American people and holding each other responsible to pull together... this is not about sitting there blaming the gov. for not doing a good enough job, this is about America as a whole responding and unifying together to overcome.... those of you who criticize and tear down are like the snipers shooting the rescuers and the victims. It's shameful and disgusting! This is not about a your political point of view... there will be a time to analyze and figure out what we can do to do better, in case we have to deal with something like this again. This is NOT that time... Please, unite, so we can conquer...

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:24:

There's not one person in the CORe that will read that block of text

Posted by igottaknow on Sep-02-2005 22:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
There's not one person in the CORe that will read that block of text

oh shit the TA levy broke and a massive block of text came foating by....

Posted by tribu on Sep-02-2005 22:34:

I read it.

To be fair, some of this catastrophe could have been avoided with better appropriation of funds. Emergency supplies should be avaliable to be shipped anywhere in the country immediately. The Army corps of Engineers should have proper funding, not cut funding, as it recently was. As many have said, we should be able to take care of home before we go traipsing to other countries. And we should have a federal plan in place in case of such emergencies; we pay them enough money.

That said, New Orleans is a poor city. Many of it's urban population feel forgotten and disavowed by the rest of the country. There is no excuse for shooting at rescue workers and stealing emergency supplies; armed police and military are another matter. People should not be forced from shelter to shelter if they do not want to go.

I agree that we shouldn't waste our time blaming the gov, but that seems to be the only way to get them to react. I think this is the time to begin planning for the next disaster; when our emtoions are still strong, and we still care about what has happened. However, you did make a good point about this being the time to unite and overcome; we helped millions after the infamous tsunami, now its time to help our own, and we should respond in a greater fashion, though less have been affected.

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:37:

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
I read it.

To be fair, some of this catastrophe could have been avoided with better appropriation of funds. Emergency supplies should be avaliable to be shipped anywhere in the country immediately. The Army corps of Engineers should have proper funding, not cut funding, as it recently was. As many have said, we should be able to take care of home before we go traipsing to other countries. And we should have a federal plan in place in case of such emergencies; we pay them enough money.

That said, New Orleans is a poor city. Many of it's urban population feel forgotten and disavowed by the rest of the country. There is no excuse for shooting at rescue workers and stealing emergency supplies; armed police and military are another matter. People should not be forced from shelter to shelter if they do not want to go.

I agree that we shouldn't waste our time blaming the gov, but that seems to be the only way to get them to react. I think this is the time to begin planning for the next disaster; when our emtoions are still strong, and we still care about what has happened. However, you did make a good point about this being the time to unite and overcome; we helped millions after the infamous tsunami, now its time to help our own, and we should respond in a greater fashion, though less have been affected.

cmon people, write little summaries

Posted by tribu on Sep-02-2005 22:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
cmon people, write little summaries

Sorry.

Short version: The only way to get the goverment to react is to make a big deal out of it. Their poor response and lack of plan doesn't make the looters and pillagers right. We should unite to help these people more than the tsunami victims, as it's our own soil.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-02-2005 22:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
-1

A lot of buildings from the French Quarter have survived which would be devestating if they caught on fire and were burned

It may sound harsh but the reality is the city of New Orleans is a toxic mess. Even if the buildings weren't destroyed the entire city will have to be disinfected in some way. Just the amount of mold on the buildings will probably be enough to cause them to be torn down and rebuilt.

There is no way New Orleans can be saved....it has to be rebuilt...it serves them right though....as humans you would think we should be smart enough to not build cities below sea level. This was bound to happen some day....when we build where we shouldn't you have to expect that you are eventually going to get screwed

Posted by wizniz on Sep-02-2005 22:41:

i think we should pull the fuck out of iraq where the terrorists ARENT and reconsider what priorities we value the most.

you want national security?
it'd be a good idea to start inside, where we've got the biggest problems.

btw g. bush said to some vets on the war:
"We owe them something. We will finish the task that they gave their lives for ... by staying on the offensive against the terrorists, and building strong allies in Afghanistan and Iraq that will help us win and fight -- fight and win the war on terror"

wtf...
"we owe them something" is our reason now?

jesus hes retarded

/off-topicish rant

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:42:

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
Sorry.

Short version: The only way to get the goverment to react is to make a big deal out of it. Their poor response and lack of plan doesn't make the looters and pillagers right. We should unite to help these people more than the tsunami victims, as it's our own soil.

how do you propose the average Joe help these people besides donating money?

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:45:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
It may sound harsh but the reality is the city of New Orleans is a toxic mess. Even if the buildings weren't destroyed the entire city will have to be disinfected in some way. Just the amount of mold on the buildings will probably be enough to cause them to be torn down and rebuilt.

There is no way New Orleans can be saved....it has to be rebuilt...it serves them right though....as humans you would think we should be smart enough to not build cities below sea level. This was bound to happen some day....when we build where we shouldn't you have to expect that you are eventually going to get screwed

True I guess........ I think we should wait until they can come up with some hard data on how damaged the area is.

Posted by tribu on Sep-02-2005 22:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
how do you propose the average Joe help these people besides donating money?
Donate cases of water: you can buy them at your grocery for less than 10 bucks and give them to the Red Cross. Food is also a must, ready made stuff: nothing that needs cooked.

Take a week off of work when the rebuilding starts and build temp or perm homes.

Buy Louisiana products such as produce, electronics or groceries. This will generate tax revenue for the state.

Conserve gas and water by walking more, and reusing water when possible.

And as you said, donate money. This was the major average joe's contribution to the tsunami, and money is a resource convertable to other resources. Thus giving 10 bucks isn't going to hurt you much, but a large group all giving 10 bucks will help plenty.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-02-2005 22:47:

Posted by tribu on Sep-02-2005 22:49:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
So the squeeky wheel gets the grease

i wouldn't say this is 100% true (few things are), but when it comes to our federal government (and also, in my case, my state and local government), it does often seem to be the case...

Posted by igottaknow on Sep-02-2005 22:52:

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-02-2005 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
True I guess........ I think we should wait until they can come up with some hard data on how damaged the area is.

Being an insurance adjuster and having dealt with large water claims I can tell you right now that anything that is wet for this period of time.....even if it is clean water....is going to be ruined.

Personally, I think they are going about it all wrong....the clean up needs to be done in phases and you can't start one phase without first completing the phase before.

1. Get all survivors out of there...nothing else can start until they get the survivors out.

2. Fix the leves. Water will continue to enter until the leves are fixed.

3. Get the water out of there

4. Get power up and running

5. Start clean up and rebuilding phase

6. Allow people back into the area

Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-02-2005 22:58:

Yes.... but 20% of the city (which contains the french quarter I believe...) is not in contact with water

Posted by tribu on Sep-02-2005 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
I agree with most everything you said except for the last part. Its the role of the Federal Government to plan for these things and coordinate a quick and massive response. So far they have done very little. To me that�s not surprising because they seem to care very little for individuals and even less for the poor. Its really an indightment on the social support system or lack of in this country.

I don't disagree, but you can't remove fault from the state of Louisiana's Government, as well as the New Orleans government (to some extent). With the amout we pay in state taxes, they should also have some emergency supplies...

Posted by LeopoldStotch on Sep-02-2005 23:27:

this is a very delicate position right now ..

as much as i hate what is going on here, you have to face the fact that it is happening right now .. it's only those dumb gangbangers wanting to steal petty material, rather than thinking about their lives ..

if this hurricane hit a big crime city, such as d.c., atlanta, nyc, etc ..., the same things would happen .. should we say shoot all the gang members ?? how do we differentiate a gang member from a dying civilian ??

and we cannot say it is 100% black community .. whoever says that is a stereotypical b!tch, because i saw many types of people stealing and shooting in the streets ,, white .. latino .. asian .. so case closed .

Posted by djeternal on Sep-02-2005 23:51:

Its human nature to point fingers...there are a million other things we'll never think of to blame for this....u cant prepare for em all. These looters and random shooters are just fucken rediculous...i thought i wouldve seen something like this on family guy or simpsons or something...but no...its on the network news stations. Its pitiful too see that these idiots can still project thier imaginary world when its all 20 feet underwater. The Government should isolate the problem so this doesnt continue to affect other state economies, get the people out of there ffs...and start shooting waves of bullets at the remaining looters and "finders".

"America, fuck yea, here to save the fucken day yea!" love that song, makes me feel warm and guey inside.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-02-2005 23:59:

If we want to put blame somewhere...then I hate to say it but lets blame the people who got themselves stuck in New Orleans. They had over 24 hours from the time the initial evacuation call went out and they didn't leave. If they would have left then they wouldn't be in this situation.

Pages (8): « 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 »