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There's one more thing about that Guardian article that was misrepresented, and I think you missed it. One more big difference between anti-jewish cartoons and these caricatures is that these are not state sponsored and therefore have as much to do with the state of Denmark as those freaks in London had to do with UK.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd As always, the Guardian (UK) delivers the best analysis and op-ed columns. How good is this essay? It's so good that it made me rethink my initial stance a little bit. Source: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comm...1701681,00.html Denmark's cartoons satirising Islam have inflamed Muslims, but the injury runs deeper than religious insult, says Sukhvinder Stubbs Friday February 3, 2006 The furore concerning the cartoons published in a Danish newspaper depicting the prophet Muhammad as a terrorist has yet to abate....such debating society pedantry, however, fails to acknowledge that in the case of Muslims, their religion and sense of cultural identity are so closely bound that an attack upon their faith is, to all intents and purposes, an attack upon their person.

Never could this guy be so accurate. I completely agree with that statement.

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Originally posted by trancaholic So, because some muslims are poor and frustrated, we should all allow ourselves to be threatened into living by their religious beliefs? Are you fvcking kidding me? What kind of an argument is this?

Yup thats how they think - they make the same argument when the poor and fustrated go blow something up or behead some nice person.

The reality is they are poor and fustrated because they lack liberty. But they don't comprehend this yet.

Unfortunately, as someone alluded previously in this thread, the middle eastern populaces are like a spoiled child - they are immature, uneducated, and get much of what they want just by screaming and fussing.

Its a higher than thou attitude, but in this regard, I believe its right: Its the world's job as parent to make sure it doesn't given into these childest demands, the world knows best. Just like when you grew up you rebeled and you were disciplined, and looking back at it you realize how your parents were right and you were wrong, the world must take a similar attitude with the worldophobic islamist, stcik to our principles.

One day, the islamist world will grow up, realize the principles between our strong hand, and thank us (just like the many that today thanks us after they were oppressed under communism several decades back and west refused to cave in).

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Never could this guy be so accurate. I completely agree with that statement.

That was scary when I read your signature after reading the posts above I thought your signature read "Progressive Fundamentalists"

The Danish embassy in Syria has been burned to the ground. The Swedish one is in flames too.

The moderate muslims of Denmark, spearheaded by Khader, have condemned the burnings unconditionally.

EDIT: Apparently, the Norwegian embassy has been "attacked too". Also, the reason for torching the Danish one, would seemingly be a series of text messages circulating earlier in the day among Syrians, in which it said that Danes would gather in Copenhagen and burn copies of the Quran.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 There's one more thing about that Guardian article that was misrepresented, and I think you missed it.

Yup. My bad.

EDIT2: South African press has just been gagged by the courts.

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South African court bans publication of Mohammed cartoons A South African court has banned the publication of controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in the country's newspapers at the request of a Muslim organisation to cries of censorship from the media. In a ruling issued late Friday, Johannesburg's high court banned main press groups from publishing the cartoons which since appearing in European newspapers have caused uproar in the Muslim world, Ebrahim Bham, the spokesman of the Council of Muslim Theologians said. "We went to court because (...) these cartoons and caricature of the Prophet Mohammed are well known to cause deep offence to Muslims throughout the world," Bham said. "It has offended the religious sensitivities of Muslims. So we took whatever step we could to see if we could prevent that particular type of thing happening in South Africa." The row over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, first published in a Danish newspaper and reproduced first in European newspapers and as far away as New Zealand, has taken on an international dimension, drawing new cultural battle lines over freedom of speech and religious tolerance. South Africa's press said it would challenge the court decision. Mondli Makhanya, editor of the Sunday Times, told AFP the court decision affected "basically all English language newspapers in South Africa". He said his newspaper was against the ban "on the basis of principle because we said that we were not willing to have any outside pressure group edit our newspaper for us". Earlier he was quoted by the SAPA news agency as saying his group regard the ban as "a serious blow to the freedom of the press and have every intention of challenging the ruling when the matter returns to court". He said he had been asked by the Muslim group to undertake not to reproduce the cartoons but had refused. "We believe that if we were to have given an undertaking not to publish, we would invite similar demands and threats from anyone who felt offended by the stories we publish," he said. "No credible newspaper can be held to ransom by the beliefs of a section of a population." Joe Thloloe, the chairman of the South African National Editors' Forum (SANEF), described the ban as "alarming and amounts to pre-publication censorship". "It limits freedom of expression in that the decision on whether to publish or not to publish has been taken away from the editors and placed on the shoulders of the court". The controversial cartoons, one of which shows the Prophet Mohammed with a bomb-shaped turban, have enraged the Arab and Muslim world because Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet and Allah as blasphemous.

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Originally posted by trancaholic The Danish embassy in Syria has been burned to the ground. The Swedish one is in flames too.

Jesus....these people really don't have any concept of freedom of speech do they? /obvious...

Ironic Photo of the Day



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Sorry, forgot the caption...

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Caption: A Jordanian Muslim woman poses with a received message on her mobile phone saying �If we keep boycotting Danish Products till next summer they will lose at least 36 billion EURO�, in Amman Jordan, Febuary 1, 2006. A French newspaper reprinted on Wednesday a series of 12 Danish newspaper cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad that have sparked protests in the Muslim world and prompted Saudi Arabia to recall its ambassador from Denmark. REUTERS/Ali Jarekji

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Originally posted by trancaholic The Danish embassy in Syria has been burned to the ground. The Swedish one is in flames too.

And i thought it was in the US that religion and government are one

I have a bad feeling that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

and it starts...im very glad Im not going to the Olympics this year.

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 and it starts...im very glad Im not going to the Olympics this year.

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Originally posted by Moongoose I have a bad feeling that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Wait for Olympics, wait for World Cup (Soccer) 2006.

Guess that means Spielberg will have material for a new movie.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Guess that means Spielberg will have material for a new movie.

not enough jewish elements in this drama for Spielberg to make an entire movie.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 not enough jewish elements in this drama for Spielberg to make an entire movie.

haha seriously but im just sitting back and waiting for them to start up with the jews then its on for Spielberg

Man, more I read about Islamic fundamentalists, more scared I get.

Still waiting for Iran to try to pin this one on the 'Great Satan'.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...PHET04/TPStory/

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Muslim fury hits Britain Controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet only a symptom of wider issues, expert says HAMIDA GHAFOUR LONDON -- Protests against controversial cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed spread to Britain yesterday, as angry Muslims took to the streets shouting "Freedom go to hell" or " Europe you will pay." The controversy, which began when several European newspapers republished the satirical drawings, appears to pit Western traditions of free speech against a tenet of Islam that says images of the Prophet are strictly forbidden. But some Islamic experts say the protests, which have spread across the Middle East, Africa and Europe in the past week, highlight the chasm between the West and the Muslim world. Nadim Shehadi, an expert on Middle Eastern affairs for Chatham House, a think tank, said the protests are a unifying factor for Muslims, for whom it is the main topic of conversation. "I was in Egypt and the news is all over the place," he said. "Then, when I arrived in London, my taxi driver at the airport, who was an Afghan, told me that because the world of Islam was weak it was easy to attack. He said the Iranians were the only ones standing up to the West with their nuclear program. "My point is basically forget about the cartoons. The atmosphere is tense because of what is happening in Iran, Iraq, Palestine and it is an excuse to express anger at those wider issues." The 12 drawings, which include one of Mohammed wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, were originally published in a Danish newspaper and have led to boycotts of Danish goods and to death threats against Europeans. Glimpses of the drawings have been shown on the BBC and two other television channels but they have not been reprinted in the British press. Mr. Shehadi's observations were borne out by some of the 200 to 300 protesters yesterday who gathered at the London Central mosque and marched to the Danish embassy. The men led and the women, most of whom were covered completely in black veils, followed several paces behind. "This is not a protest, this is a warning," said Khalid Kelly, 39, an Irish national who converted to Islam five years ago. "Stop murdering our women and children. We gave the same message before 9/11. We are now saying to insult our Prophet means death. We are being attacked and an attack against our Prophet will mean death." Abu Jihad, 43, who was born in Pakistan, added that the cartoonist and the editors of the papers should be killed. "It is very clear: Anyone who insults the Prophet must be beheaded. Remember van Gogh?" he said, referring to the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh who was murdered in 2004 for his controversial film about Islam. "Whoever did it, bless him. Islam is peace but you see there will only be peace when Islam is implemented across the world. In the Prophet's time anyone who insulted the Prophet was beheaded. The same should happen now." British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw praised the British media for not printing the cartoons, which he called "disrespectful." "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that. But there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory," he said. There is also an element of mystery surrounding the drawings, which were first published last September in Jyllands-Posten, a major Danish newspaper. The respected German broadsheet Der Spiegel reported that a delegation of Danish Muslims, angry that their protests were not taken seriously by the Danish paper, showed a dossier to religious leaders in Egypt in January. They included three obscene images that were never published, including one of Mohammed as a pedophile and another as a pig. That may have caused far more damage than the original images, the paper said. Yousif Al-Khoei, a director of the Al-Khoei Foundation, said the Internet is playing a large role in whipping up hysteria by spreading the news and playing to the fears of an audience that is suspicious that their religion and identity are under attack by the West. "The whole concept of clash of civilizations . . . I fear the foundations have been laid and people are mentally prepared for it. There is a siege mentality and in the Middle East, conspiracy theories are always rife," Mr. Al-Khoei said. It was a "personal insult" because Muslims hold the Prophet in higher esteem than their own parents or children, said Gul Mohammed, of the British Muslim Forum. "There is a fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity: Christians, at this time, don't identify with the prophet Jesus where in Islam people love Mohammed more than anyone else." One protester, Sara, who did not want to give her last name, said she fears extremist Muslim groups would use the controversy to gather more supporters. "Even if people were against Osama bin Laden, they may support him now," she said, just as a man on a megaphone next to her shouted, "Long live bin Laden." "See? That's what they are doing now."

Wow.

Why does this scene remind me of Christians in medieval times?

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Originally posted by EvilTree Man, more I read about Islamic fundamentalists, more scared I get. Still waiting for Iran to try to pin this one on the 'Great Satan'.

aka the country to the south of you and Isreal

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 aka the country to the south of you and Isreal

cause clearly the teachings that the extremist take seriously aren't satanic at all

And the daily update:
The Danish central Consulate in Lebanon has been torched.

Unlike their Syrian colleagues, the Lebanese police tried to spread the masses, by means of tear gas and shots into the air. Apparently it's *not* just the dictatorships that are behind this.
EDIT: I'd better clarify that I don't know if the smoke in the picture is from fire or tear gas. The estimated amount of protesters is 20000.

So do you think that that the protests will went off after a while or that the real explosion of anger and violence is yet to hit us? So far i think there were not any casualties but that is only a matter of time, and when lives are lost not just property, Danes and Europe for that matter will have to do something about it not just say we are sorry if we insulted you and would you please chill out now.

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Originally posted by Moongoose So do you think that that the protests will went off after a while or that the real explosion of anger and violence is yet to hit us? So far i think there were not any casualties but that is only a matter of time, and when lives are lost not just property, Danes and Europe for that matter will have to do something about it not just say we are sorry if we insulted you and would you please chill out now.

I can't even begin to comprehend the cause effect network in the Middle East, so I don't have any clue as to whether they just need to went off some steam, or if we're in this for the long haul. However, I can comment on how things looks in Denmark, and here it won't be forgotten next week. People have pretty much lost all kind of sympathy with Middle Easterners, and I don't think any Danish government will try to help out with diplomacy down there in the coming decades. Denmark has been relentless in its support of the Palestinian cause, and have worked for making the EU act as a mediator between the Middle East and the US. That is going to stop, and I think that most Danes would sit back and watch if Israel resumed its persecutions of Arabs. It is easy to detect this shift in attitude when you talk to people in Denmark, and follow the public debate. Most of my friends and colleagues are left wingers, but they have suddenly turned very anti-Islamists. There's a media outlets which have been so deeply aligned with the left that their reflex reaction to the initial publication of the drawings back in September was a clear condemnation. Today these papers and networks stands confused, unable to see how to maintain their stance. The most vocal paper (Politiken) has even said that "if things turns to deadly violence, you will see the cartoons on our front page". Jyllands-posten, in an unusually emotionally ladden editorial accused them of hypocracy and asked if assaults, death threats, and torchings were to weak indicators of something being amiss. Our second largest paper, Berlingeren, who also was condemning the cartoons at first, has pretty much acknowledged that it doesn't dare reprint the cartoons. They can see how Jyllands-posten has been driven to the ground, and that the editors and their families lives in fear of retribution, and has decided that they do not wish to share that fate.
Furthermore, I think Danes are beginning to realize that democracy and freedom of speech are our "religion", and that no-one will defend it for us. The following email was sent to a "Buy Danish"-flagging blog by a Dane:

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Thank you very much for your support, but alas there is aboslutely no reason whatsoever to thank the official US. Join the coalition of the "willing" (become a prostitute, it seems like now) as one of the very few civilized nations, get your young men killed in Basra and receive a knife in the back from the Bush-administration as a most civilized thank you. Shame on that crooked administration of slow readers in The White House. And shame not only on Labor but on the British press, calling Jyllands-Posten "Der St�rmer" planning a new Holocaust, while Jack Straw is condemning us. Not exactly a new Churchill. Shame on our two disloyal ex-allies. And shame on weak and fearful Annan and the UN The world's gone topsy-turvy: Germany and France show common sense, backbone and true loyalty. Our warmest thanks fly in the direction of Wolfgang Sch�uble. In London the demonstrators now emphasize, that there is no reason to apologize, we don't have to, it is not required, and it won't make any difference. The 12 cartoonists just must be executed - by us or else they can fix it, it will be beheading, they explain, sooner or later. Perhaps in ten years time. And then the whole matter is forgotten and DK can live in peace again.

While the sender of this email has clearly misunderstood the point about joining the coalition of the willing in order to build up good will, he does pretty much represent how Danes feel about the official US and UK and the UN at this time. I would say that the EU should be added to the list of institutions failing the Danes in order to score cheap points/avoid a conflict. The fight for keeping our society as we want it will probably be one of our own, and I guess we're getting to grips with that now.
That being said, the head of NATO did show unequivocal support for Scandinavians and freedom of speech today. Of course its way to late.

the picture that made the Muslims to berserk wasnt even made by the newspaper, some muslim did it themself to get more muslims on their side, it was a picture of Muhammed with a pignoose

Why would the danes apologize to the muslim, never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country

the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? fucking twats

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Originally posted by trancaholic And the daily update: The Danish central Consulate in Lebanon has been torched. Unlike their Syrian colleagues, the Lebanese police tried to spread the masses, by means of tear gas and shots into the air. Apparently it's *not* just the dictatorships that are behind this. EDIT: I'd better clarify that I don't know if the smoke in the picture is from fire or tear gas. The estimated amount of protesters is 20000.

If you look closely at the pic, there is a thick black smoke behind the white smoke; which means its not only from tear gas. Definately something else is burning too.

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