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I wouldn't call acid a genre. It's a prefix, just like 'minimal'. An approach to producing music. In this case, using the Roland TB-303. Acid house, acid trance and acid techno, while similar, are separate genres.

I'd be interested in hearing what seperates an "acid" track from an acid house track, too.

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Originally posted by 808303909 What the fuck are you on about? Did I say 1986? Perhaps I meant 89', 90' and 91'!?

well that's not what i meant, and you quoted me when i said it, so there.

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Originally posted by 808303909 Are you trying to be facetious? Because I can provide a sample of an acid track that can only be affixed to the 'acid' genre. That is to say, it cannot be deemed acid techno, nor acid house, nor hardcore acid. It is acidcore, perhaps, which falls under the 'acid' genre, again.

no, it would fall as a prefix to hardcore.

edit: otherwise you better start using genre names such as "speed" and "happy" and "dark"....

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Originally posted by 808303909 You ought to hear more acid stuffs then, because there are decidedly a great many acid tracks which can be described as none other than 'acid.'

Care to provide some examples and explain why they are classified as just "acid"?

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No, because for the sake of relativity, Woody has made a pretty decent amount of techno, sans acid. Acid Junkies have not. But if you are adamant in your notion that they indeed should be qualified here, then let them be, for all I care.

I think they are relevant in a techno context, as they have made techno themselves, been heavily present on the techno circuit and were signed to one of the most well known techno labels around (Djax-Up Beats). Also, Stefan Robbers founded Eevo Lute. So yes, I am adamant, although I do see your point that they wouldn't be the best choice of an example of what techno really is.

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Originally posted by 808303909 Please refrain from posting anymore, as not only do you not know what acidcore is, but you're clearly a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about acid beyond the scope of Hardfloor and Rob Acid. Check your fingers next time before you type something so inconceivably ignorant.

please refrain from posting until you are able to follow a simple stream of logic.

miss djax and her label INVENTED acid techno. lol.


i dunno about the rest of their works, but acid junkies' "figment of one's imagination" is mos. def acid techno. it sounds like it has detroit influences to me. actually kindof similar to the UR/Tresor mix of Ingator II - Skyscratch, which is also acid tech. or acid detroit tech, if you will.

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Originally posted by 808303909 But we weren't talking specifically of Stefan Robbers, were we?

Last time I checked he was 1/2 of Acid Junkies, so I think I can use him as an example in this regard. But if you want to be pedantic, then by all means..

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And Djax wasn't one of the most renowned techno labels, it was one of the most renowned acid labels. In fact, although it certainly does comprise a good deal of techno, it is an epitome of an acid label.

I'd just call Djax-Up a techno label, as it has released such a vast variety of records soundwise, not just acid oriented ones or "straight up tech". But hey, perhaps these all fall under this genre called nothing but "acid" which I am unaware of.

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Originally posted by 808303909

oh, and btw, my set isn't an indication of my knowledge base. it's an indication of which tracks i liked most at that point in time and which tracks flowed together.

you have nothing to amaze me with as you have 'planned' in the past, because frankly, without even knowing how much you've listened to, i can guarantee, i have heard more. a lot more.

Good god, is this thread going anywhere?

It's getting a bit boring lately, every techno thread there is either ends up being spammed by people that think Preach is the best techno has to offer, or ends up in some pointless discussion about subsubsubgenres under the influence of Ory lookalikes.

Another attempt at making this somewhat more interesting:

www.danzolectro.de

Some quality livesets to be found there, ranging from minimal, deep to more melodic techno / tech-house, whatever you people want to call it.

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Originally posted by 808303909 He's indeed half and what's your point? His other aliases, some of which are almost utterly bereft of acid, has nothing to do with the sound of Acid Junkies. But perhaps you haven't heard his other stuff, after all.

I haven't heard particularly much of his solo stuff, apart from an improvisation and the odd techno/loop track here and there. However, considering Stefan Robbers' presence in Acid Junkies, I think it is even more evidence towards considering the project techno when there is already Acid Junkies-material out that can be associated with the genre.

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Apropos, have you listened to the sample yet? That would be something that falls directly under the 'acid' genre, nothing else. You learn something new every day.

Yeah, I would have learned something if you actually bothered to explain WHY that sample is classified under the genre "acid".

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Originally posted by basd Good god, is this thread going anywhere? It's getting a bit boring lately, every techno thread there is either ends up being spammed by people that think Preach is the best techno has to offer, or ends up in some pointless discussion about subsubsubgenres under the influence of Ory lookalikes.

Lookalike?

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Originally posted by 808303909 I can't explain it because I'm not a producer and am hardly acquainted with the proper terms that would suffice to elucidate this. Nor did I ever make it a point to try and explain why acid is a genre per se. People that are actually in the know may agree with me, I daresay. But does that sample not sound exclusively like acid to you? The whole track is like that, and clearly is of the acid genre, nothing more, nothing less.

So you're claiming that something falls under a genre called "acid" and that Djax-Up is "the epitome of an acid label", but you can't explain what the genre "acid" is and back it up? That kindof defaces your entire argument then doesn't it?

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Originally posted by 808303909 a lot more of cheesy, commercial acid, certainly. You've heard more, you lummox? Then how come I've never espied you contributing anything to ANY thread regarding acid, tech, etc. But no! You've definitely heard more! Your posts are unbased, your knowledge of acid is shit, and quite frankly, I think you're shit, and you're digging it in deeper and deeper and dee...

using my posting habits as an indication of my knowledge base inst a wise idea either.

would you have me prove it by pulling out a list of acidtechno i have less regard for?
cause believe me, i could fill a fucking encyclopedia.

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Originally posted by 808303909 I can't explain it in technical terms, I mean. But to be terse, the 'acid' genre is primarily driven by the Roland transistor bass. Solid proof? Didn't I just provide you a sample for fucks sake. Can you possibly avow that it sounds anything remotely close to acid-tech, acid house, or hardcore acid!?? I've proved something to you, but all you do is exacerbate the argument and commission me to provide more proof. Fuck that, I think the sample is adequate. If you don't know that there are tracks that are exclusively 'acid,' without any techno or house, then let me reiterate that you ought to hear more acid stuffs.

No, all you've done is given me a sample and said "that's "acid"." And then I ask "hmm ok, but what about this sample is it that makes it "acid" and not acid house or acid techno?" Which is where you fail to bring any knowledge or evidence to back it up with, and instead decide to hammer over the head with "THAT'S "ACID" YOU IDIOT?! CAN'T YOU HEAR THAT?!?!?!?!". You're not gonna teach or impress anyone in that manner.

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Originally posted by 808303909 No, actually what I'm saying is that if you think that's acid house or acid techno, but not STRICTLY acid, then you're clearly an idiot. And I don't feel I should corroborate my statements any further.

Thanks for proving my point Don't expect to win over or teach people with this kind of approach though.

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Originally posted by basd Good god, is this thread going anywhere? It's getting a bit boring lately, every techno thread there is either ends up being spammed by people that think Preach is the best techno has to offer, or ends up in some pointless discussion about subsubsubgenres under the influence of Ory lookalikes. Another attempt at making this somewhat more interesting: www.danzolectro.de Some quality livesets to be found there, ranging from minimal, deep to more melodic techno / tech-house, whatever you people want to call it.

Actually, this is the point I favor most. I get to read both viewpoints and notice that it doesn't resort to cheap shot name calling or end in burnt, crispy flames, but rather debate. Now all it needs is some examples of tracks and dates to further educate all of us

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Originally posted by 808303909 I'm not trying win over anybody. And all I did was prove my point, not yours. And if you weren't taught that acid may indeed be regarded as a genre on its own judging by that sample, then I can't do much else for you, and for this I apologize.

Right, you proved your point and taught me by posting a sample and saying "this is the genre "acid"." and nothing more. Well done sir.

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Originally posted by 808303909 Thanks. What you have to ultimately realize is that I never said I'm going to endeavor to prove at length why something is what it is. I said there are tracks that are solely 'acid' and nothing more and I proceded to post you a sample of such an one. The fact that you made unbased assumptions that I should EXPLAIN why it's exclusively 'acid' due to your hearing impediments is impertinent to my whole argument, which I think I've summarized with the sample.

In other words, all you're saying is "you're wrong and I'm right and since you can't see that I'm right, you're an idiot." That's some high class debating skills right there, well done sir.

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Originally posted by 808303909 in regards to my post to psy-t...i shall provide an example. This will to a very small extent test his acid knowledge. When I say the words, "kill it" what am i alluding to? (It has something to do with acid). If you don't know this, then you may just as well refrain from PM'ing me with your rubbish.

would you happen to mean kill out recordings?

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Originally posted by 808303909 Thanks. What you have to ultimately realize is that I never said I'm going to endeavor to prove at length why something is what it is. I said there are tracks that are solely 'acid' and nothing more, and I proceded to post you a sample of such an one. The fact that you made unbased assumptions that I should EXPLAIN why it's exclusively 'acid' due to your hearing impediments is impertinent to my whole argument, which I think I've summarized with the sample.

i think what sand leaper meant to say was...

you, sir, may be a cunning linguist, but i'm a master debater.

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Originally posted by 808303909 i should've been more surreptitious, as the first thing that pops up when you type 'kill it' on discogs is that label. And if you didn't need to actually search discogs, you would've no doubt answered me promptly, which you hadn't. So, this certainly clears things up, thanks for your time, and that answers that question.

it took me awhile cause i have company here.

the list of vinyls i've pm'd you can also be searched on discogs, and if you distrust me you should've said so before and saved us both the trouble.


and lets sum up with some immaturity to match yours:
you dont know shit about acid, i've heard more - not only from what you have heard up till now, but also from all you'll ever hear.

one of the major reasons being - your access to the past relies solely on what other people are willing to sell, or in other words, you get the crap of the past.

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Originally posted by 808303909 No, Sir, you just chance to have substantial difficulties in fathoming my posts, and resort to - not once, may i add - spewing forth some humbug that you profess that I've posted, which I haven't. Basically, putting words into my mouth which isn't in the least associated to what I had genuinely posted. And moreover, you take recourse to speak about Stefan Robbers's other aliases and label, completely diverging from the discourse at hand. And what's more comic is that you've hardly even heard anything else from his side projects. All this a common reconciliation to defeat. Well done, sir, I felicitate you.

So many fancy words, yet oh so little substance. How sad.

oh yeah? well my grandpappy raised me on acid, motherfucker. in fact if the purple monkey dishwasher hadn't grabbed me by my triangular testicles and thrown me across the yellow brick road i wouldn't even be here yesterday. mooooooooooo.

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Originally posted by Staedtler oh yeah? well my grandpappy raised me on acid, motherfucker. in fact if the purple monkey dishwasher hadn't grabbed me by my triangular testicles and thrown me across the yellow brick road i wouldn't even be here yesterday. mooooooooooo.

will you stop trying to get a rise out of people?
at least choose someone who it might work on for a change?

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