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Why do sports necessarily have to be athletic?

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Originally posted by TO guy Why do sports necessarily have to be athletic?

They don't IMO. Earlier I stated my (and I stress my) criteria for determining if something is a sport or a game has to do with whether or not it is derived from or based on either hunting or war. If so then it is a sport, if not it's a game. Subsequently, chess is a sport although I doubt anyone would deem it to be athletic. Golf on the otherhand would be a game although it does involve some athletic ability.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur code: According to Webster's dictionary: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina code: According to dictionary.com: A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts. Now tell me how a race car driver does not fit the definiton of an athlete. Oh, and the car is not doing the work. Both of them are. The car wouldn't go anywhere without the driver, and the driver wouldn't go anywhere without a car. It's the same as in hockey - just because it's the stick that does the scoring does not mean that the stick is doing the work - it is merely a tool of the player, just like a car is a tool of an auto racer.

Dude, any idiot can drive a car.... the only reason they need to be in good shape is because they need to fit into the car..... that's a requirement of the vehicle not the event. Driving does not require physical strength (or at least inordinate strength) nor does it require agility. There is a case to be made for it requireing stamina but so does waiting tables and waitresses aren't considered athletes.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard To me in order to qualify as a sport something must be based on either hunting or war. Subsequently, most athletic competitions are sports, chess is a sport, horse racing, target shooting, caber tossing and the like are sports, however, curling, golf, bowling, race car driving, poker and the like are not sports. I can't put my finger on why I feel this way nor am I willing to argue that it is the "correct" criteria on which to judge but it is how I view the matter.

my criteria..."chance" isn't a major component.

poker is very much a game of skill, but it's also highly reliant on chance. you either get good cards or you don't. you either score on the flop, river, etc. or you don't. Yes, how you PLAY the cards you're dealt is the point, but it's still high on chance.

and to a lesser extent...if you can be a big, fat out-of-shape bastard who'd get winded walking up 3 steps...and drink while playing...it's not a sport

Well I think there is a large degree of chance in any sport then. Take baseball, if the pitcher throws juicy, easy to hit down the middle, hanging curveballs all the time, I can win that game pretty easily, all based (really) on "chance".

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Dude, any idiot can drive a car.... the only reason they need to be in good shape is because they need to fit into the car..... that's a requirement of the vehicle not the event. Driving does not require physical strength (or at least inordinate strength) nor does it require agility. There is a case to be made for it requireing stamina but so does waiting tables and waitresses aren't considered athletes.

DRIVING A CAR != BEING A RACE CAR DRIVER.

Any idiot can run, that doesn't make them a runner. I don't want to waste any more energy typing these stupid responses to your inaccurate premises, so, I'll just quote this article:

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Originally posted by Formula 1 Website Formula One drivers are some of the most highly conditioned athletes on earth, their bodies specifically adapted to the very exacting requirements of top-flight single-seater motor racing. All drivers who enter Formula One need to undergo a period of conditioning to the physical demands of the sport: no other race series on earth requires so much of its drivers in terms of stamina and endurance. The vast loadings that Formula One cars are capable of creating, anything up to a sustained 3.5 g of cornering force, for example, means drivers have to be enormously strong to be able to last for full race distances. The extreme heat found in a Formula One cockpit, especially at the hotter rounds of the championship, also puts vast strain on the body: drivers can sweat off anything up to 3kg of their body weight during the course of a race. Physical endurance is created through intensive cardio-vascular training: usually running or swimming, although some drivers prefer cycling or even roller-blading! But the unusual loadings experienced by neck and chest muscles cannot be easily replicated by conventional gym equipment, so many drivers use specially designed 'rigs' that enable them to specifically develop the muscles they will need to withstand cornering forces. Strong neck muscles are especially important, as they must support the weight of both the driver's head and his helmet under these intense loadings. Powerful arm muscles are also required to enable the car to be controlled during longer races. In terms of nutrition, most Formula One drivers control their diets in much the same way as track and field athletes, carefully regulating the amount of carbohydrate and protein that they absorb. During the race weekends proper most drivers will be seen eating pasta or other carbohydrate-rich foods to provide energy and to give the all-important stamina for the race itself. It is also vitally important that drivers take in large amounts of water before the race, even if they do not feel thirsty. Failure to do so could bring on dehydration through sweating � not surprising given that the physical endurance required to drive a Formula One race is not dissimilar to that required to run a marathon.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur DRIVING A CAR != BEING A RACE CAR DRIVER. Any idiot can run, that doesn't make them a runner. I don't want to waste any more energy typing these stupid responses to your inaccurate premises, so, I'll just quote this article:

an artical by F1 racing is hardly objective.

I accept that being a race car driver involves advanced driving skill and experience. That said, being really good at pacman requires skill and experience.... my dad was great at pacman but he ain't no athlete and pacman isn't a sport.

Neither of us is going to convince the other and really who cares.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Dude, any idiot can drive a car.... the only reason they need to be in good shape is because they need to fit into the car..... that's a requirement of the vehicle not the event. Driving does not require physical strength (or at least inordinate strength) nor does it require agility. There is a case to be made for it requireing stamina but so does waiting tables and waitresses aren't considered athletes.

Thats pretty funny. So you are telling me, when you are propelled from 0-160KM in less than 3 seconds(about 2.5s in an F1 car), you do not need agility to maneuver around? These drivers are constantly working around each other at insanely high speeds. Agility is required.

In terms of strength, most racing series' do not have power steering. Have you ever driven a car without power steering? Your arms have to extremely strong just turn the wheel. They make it look very easy, but that's because they are strong.

I am certainly not trying to argue that it is or is not a sport because we are comparing it from different perspectives. But, please do not try and dilute what these guys go through in their training regiments. High altitude training, weights, cross country running, 5-7 times a week working out...they are just as fit as any athlete on the planet. If you will also notice, Schumaucher regularly trains with Real Madrid, and I consider this amazing because football players are sooooo fit!

I guess this is a good one to put in here:

THREAD JACKING!

hehe.

wow interesting views on "sports" Auto racing is definately a sport. Moral you have a funny/but cool definition . Ive never heard of anyone relating it back to ancient/war days but in a way it makes sense to me. I dont necessarly agree with it, but I can see where you are coming from.

most high end race series require the drivers to be in great shape. If you think anyone can drive a car/race a car or it hardly takes skill or endurance you are out to lunch.


and yes "point" or stiletto(sp) like shoes have been popular for a long time. if your foot isnt to big to begin with and you have on the proper pants it can look good.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur code: According to Webster's dictionary: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina code: According to dictionary.com: A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts. Now tell me how a race car driver does not fit the definiton of an athlete. Oh, and the car is not doing the work. Both of them are. The car wouldn't go anywhere without the driver, and the driver wouldn't go anywhere without a car. It's the same as in hockey - just because it's the stick that does the scoring does not mean that the stick is doing the work - it is merely a tool of the player, just like a car is a tool of an auto racer.

but sitting in a damn car and making one big left turn for two hours in not a damn sport i don't care what stupid definitions say. cause by those definitions spelling bee's and math competitions are sports and they are not athletes. You don't have to be in shape to race cars, being in shape in just good for you and any driver that says they have to be in tip top shape is full of shit

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Originally posted by Orko Thats pretty funny. So you are telling me, when you are propelled from 0-160KM in less than 3 seconds(about 2.5s in an F1 car), you do not need agility to maneuver around? These drivers are constantly working around each other at insanely high speeds. Agility is required. In terms of strength, most racing series' do not have power steering. Have you ever driven a car without power steering? Your arms have to extremely strong just turn the wheel. They make it look very easy, but that's because they are strong. I am certainly not trying to argue that it is or is not a sport because we are comparing it from different perspectives. But, please do not try and dilute what these guys go through in their training regiments. High altitude training, weights, cross country running, 5-7 times a week working out...they are just as fit as any athlete on the planet. If you will also notice, Schumaucher regularly trains with Real Madrid, and I consider this amazing because football players are sooooo fit!

Schumacher is an athelete whom happens to drive cars. The training they do is atheletic, but the actual competition is not

dude you are full of shit.

no i speak the truth. gear heads just don't want to admit it

Car racing is a competition not a sport.

Sports originated from the hunting and war activities done by our ancestors.

A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system. The difference of purpose is what characterises sport, combined with the notion of individual (or team) skill or prowess.

competition
n.
1. The act of competing, as for profit or a prize; rivalry.
2. A test of skill or ability; a contest: a skating competition.

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Originally posted by Adamo

whats the deal with these bracelets ive seen them on everyone and i still dont know what they for

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Originally posted by El Kay Dee - the trend of square tip dress shoes (fuck i wanted to get a round tip but nooooooo they werent even sold)

x 10 !!!

Hate the style myself!

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Car racing is a competition not a sport. Sports originated from the hunting and war activities done by our ancestors. A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system. The difference of purpose is what characterises sport, combined with the notion of individual (or team) skill or prowess. competition n. 1. The act of competing, as for profit or a prize; rivalry. 2. A test of skill or ability; a contest: a skating competition.

semantics. in sports there are competitions.
Car racing is a sport. Ive done all sorts of sports throughout my life so far and some at decently high levels . I consider car racing a sport, just like the majority does.

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Originally posted by Orko If you need a black God, he is your man!

excuse me dude? why the fuck do you have to say "black god"

isnt a god a god? no matter what race.

shit like this pisses me off. why do have to pull the race card.

i dont really want to attack you coz i dont know you, but if thats the way you think then thats not cool.


@#@%Y#$%@GDY EQ#W$%#@$@#$^$W SDVGQER^!#T$^@^$#@^

I gave up on ChemEnhanced - as he said, he has his own definition of words, so really, what's the point in arguing?

But Duforia, just ... WOW. It's like you purposely turn a blind eye to every single one of my posts regarding the subject.

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Originally posted by Goashem whats the deal with these bracelets ive seen them on everyone and i still dont know what they for

i think it's an initiative somehow related to Lance Armstong to raise money/support fight against cancer. They are this weird rubbery-looking material. now a bunch of other causes have started making them in other colours. They are pretty ugly-looking, but whatever, if they are raising money for good causes then good on them.

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Originally posted by charmscars i think it's an initiative somehow related to Lance Armstong to raise money/support fight against cancer. They are this weird rubbery-looking material. now a bunch of other causes have started making them in other colours. They are pretty ugly-looking, but whatever, if they are raising money for good causes then good on them.

Yes, Livestrong is the Lance Armstrong Foundation (LAF). Their mandate is helping people with cancer to get on with their lives and - well, live strong. They started selling the original yellow bracelets as a fundraiser, but the resellers and imitators are just selling them for profit as a fashion fad.

I suppose the consumers are really to blame for buying items which they have no clue about the meaning of (just like these idiots that get tattoos of the Kung Pao Chicken recipe), but I still think it's wrong to be trying to profit directly off the work of a non-profit organization, especially the LAF.

The imitation bracelets definitely belong on the "worst trend" list.

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Originally posted by trancechaos excuse me dude? why the fuck do you have to say "black god" isnt a god a god? no matter what race. shit like this pisses me off. why do have to pull the race card. i dont really want to attack you coz i dont know you, but if thats the way you think then thats not cool. @#@%Y#$%@GDY EQ#W$%#@$@#$^$W SDVGQER^!#T$^@^$#@^

I think you definitely took that the wrong way. Yes, God is God. Its just that the classic figure of God has always been a white guy. I ment that, if a director specifically wanted a black man to play god, Morgan Freeman would be a perfect choice. IMO he is the perfect choice to play God regadless of colour, but if you wanted a black god, he fits the bill.

I am not racist, and I am not religous. I was just looking at it from a casting point of view.

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Originally posted by Dufouria Schumacher is an athelete whom happens to drive cars. The training they do is atheletic, but the actual competition is not

HOw bout next summer, we go go-karting. Serious go-karting. They are the closest things to F1 cars, and you will see what we mean. These drivers have to fit because of the extreme G forces put on their bodies. Just like fighter pilots.

There is a reason they train like atheletes, its because their jobs require it. If they didnt, they would pass out in the cockpit and crash, its that simple. ITs not an easy thing to do.

All i can say again, i am not saying its a sport, im just saying that their jobs require the extreme training, and in the summer I will prove it to you.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Dude, any idiot can drive a car.... the only reason they need to be in good shape is because they need to fit into the car..... that's a requirement of the vehicle not the event. Driving does not require physical strength (or at least inordinate strength) nor does it require agility. There is a case to be made for it requireing stamina but so does waiting tables and waitresses aren't considered athletes.

Moral, I concur. The physical training that goes behind a F1 driver is mind boggling. Not only is it physical training, but mental too. It is much more tedious than people think.

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