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^Really questionable whether Tiesto is a great entertainer. I only speak from what I've seen on videos, but Tiesto doesn't look like he's much of an entertainer. Sure, he's got a shit eating grin on most of the time, but that's not really entertaining, is it?

Armin on the other hand, esp when he gets drunk, does put on a show

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth I think alot of times people fail to distinguish the difference between the 2 type of DJs that are out there. I am talking about the DJ as an artist and the DJ as an entertainer. I dont think anyone here will argue that Tiesto, Oaky, Armin are great DJs as entertainers. Thats why they attract such large audiences. They are up there to entertain people. As artists, these guys have lost it. They obviously at one point were a big influence on the artistic side of EDM, but I guess since the new millinium we are seeing the emergence as DJs as entertainers and these guys are at the forefront. Nobody will argue the artistic talent of guys like Oliver Leib,James Holden, etc.....but have you ever seen any of these "artistic" DJs in front of a crowd? Its like watching someone read a term paper in front of their high school class in the underwear. They look uncomfortable. In a perfect world DJs as entertainers would be comprised of the most talented people in the scene, but it doesnt work that way. DJs as entertainers are mostly "type A" personalities, and the artistic DJs are usually the quiet ones. Respect to "Tiesto" as being a good entertainer, however I will never mistake him for an artistic mind.

Agreed. +1

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Originally posted by EvilTree ^Really questionable whether Tiesto is a great entertainer. I only speak from what I've seen on videos, but Tiesto doesn't look like he's much of an entertainer. Sure, he's got a shit eating grin on most of the time, but that's not really entertaining, is it? Armin on the other hand, esp when he gets drunk, does put on a show

Tiesto is. I've been to 3 live events of his, including TIC:Miami. He's very interactive w/ the crowd.

best artist to entertainer ratio ive ever seen was a live set by nu nrg.

does that make them the best trance djs? who knows..

[/off topic whore]

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Originally posted by phresh best artist to entertainer ratio ive ever seen was a live set by nu nrg. does that make them the best trance djs? who knows.. [/off topic whore]

really???? seen them about 3 or 4 times and you occasinally get a smile. Best entertainer i've seen is Mark EG

example of his madness: http://www.slinky.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=43777

my head would explode if i had read this pile of crap which basically says what i've already read in these forums 300 times before

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Originally posted by paranoik0 my head would explode if i had read this pile of crap which basically says what i've already read in these forums 300 times before

Read again. pages 1-7

starting at MichaelBoogerd's post, to Clovis' post

I saw Tiesto for the first time @ UMF 6, I thought he was awesome, he was my number two on my top five then.

I saw him @ Crobar last year in like September, he sucked ass, played the most popular, typical Tiesto shit, which I should have expected. Call me a music whore, but I expect people to switch it up a little for the New York crowd, but, of course, he played a typical Tiesto set. Don't get me wrong it was a decent time, but since two years ago I guess you can say my standards have gone higher, also since turning 21, and starting to go out as of last April.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Tiesto is. I've been to 3 live events of his, including TIC:Miami. He's very interactive w/ the crowd.

how much was the ticket

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Originally posted by Azz3D how much was the ticket

67 bucks, including a shirt. Money well spent, don't even go there.

Re: Re: Tiesto Bashers

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Originally posted by Clovis86 First off, no, he has really really shit mixing, I've seen it with my own two eyeballs and heard it with my own two ears. And its not like he tries to mix well but has trouble, he just fudges it alot and knows that people like you couldnt recognize a good mix if it slapped them in the face. (or else you wouldnt say he has good mixing) Second, I think he sucks because he thinks hes God. Thats not elitist. Its the truth.

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I'm a fan, and I admit he has questionable mixing at times. But after seeing him in a private SoBe club a few weeks ago, the guy isn't the arrogant god-like prick you make him out to be Clovis. If Sasha were number 1 for 3 yrs. in a row, you wouldn't take the time grabbing for straws with comments like "I think he sucks because he thinks he's God". I mean, honestly dude.

It's not that I hate Tiesto, I actually used to really enjoy his style from back in the day . A lot of the trance tunes that he spun from back in the day were what got me into him (Love his Live @ Energy 2000 set), but as time passed by Trance started heading into a different direction, as does most genres. For good or for worse, that's for you to judge.. but for me, it was a turn for the worse. Tiesto followed the direction trance was heading and I began to lose interest in him, before he even blew up and became #1.

I would get into specifics a little more but i know my opinion would be shredded by the few elitists (I miss the epic trance of 99-00 but we cant live in the past) .. and also add to the fact that I am a very shitty writer

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Originally posted by miamitranceman I'm a fan, and I admit he has questionable mixing at times. But after seeing him in a private SoBe club a few weeks ago, the guy isn't the arrogant god-like prick you make him out to be Clovis. If Sasha were number 1 for 3 yrs. in a row, you wouldn't take the time grabbing for straws with comments like "I think he sucks because he thinks he's God". I mean, honestly dude.

Are you joking?

When it says "SASHA" up there, we'll talk.




If Sasha was #1 for three years, it wouldn't be because he whored his name to no end doing ridiculously large concerts devoted to him, AND HIMSELF only.

Sasha has Fundacion nights all over the world, where he invites other DJ's to play WITH him. He's already where he wants to be and doesn't need some stupid #1 spot in a retarded poll to feel better about himself. He'd rather promote lesser known artists like Desyn Masiello, James Zabiela or Lee Burridge, and help them gain exposure by playing alongside him. So far I havn't seen Tiesto do anything of the sort.

And not only does he have giant concerts devoted to his own ego, HE CANT EVEN BE ARSED TO BEATMATCH TWO FUCKING TRACKS, in a DJ BOOTH DESSIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM, at an EVENT DESIGNED FOR HIM, where he has complete control over any sort of hindrance that may bother him while mixing.

So no...thats bull. Sorry. He wanted the #1 spot, he got it, but he was, and still is, unable to deliver a performance I would expect from the self proclaimed "#1 DJ in the world"

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Originally posted by spc It's not that I hate Tiesto, I actually used to really enjoy his style from back in the day . A lot of the trance tunes that he spun from back in the day were what got me into him (Love his Live @ Energy 2000 set), but as time passed by Trance started heading into a different direction, as does most genres. For good or for worse, that's for you to judge.. but for me, it was a turn for the worse. Tiesto followed the direction trance was heading and I began to lose interest in him, before he even blew up and became #1. I would get into specifics a little more but i know my opinion would be shredded by the few elitists (I miss the epic trance of 99-00 but we cant live in the past) .. and also add to the fact that I am a very shitty writer

HIs set @ Trance Energy 2000 wow that was a fuken set. havnt heard that one in a long time

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Originally posted by Clovis86 If Sasha was #1 for three years, it wouldn't be because he whored his name to no end doing ridiculously large concerts devoted to him, AND HIMSELF only. Sasha has Fundacion nights all over the world, where he invites other DJ's to play WITH him. He's already where he wants to be and doesn't need some stupid #1 spot in a retarded poll to feel better about himself. He'd rather promote lesser known artists like Desyn Masiello, James Zabiela or Lee Burridge, and help them gain exposure by playing alongside him. So far I havn't seen Tiesto do anything of the sort.

good point.



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just out of curiousity, who here has never been a part of the tiesto bandwagon? i've seriously never been a fan of his work..

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Are you joking? When it says "SASHA" up there, we'll talk. If Sasha was #1 for three years, it wouldn't be because he whored his name to no end doing ridiculously large concerts devoted to him, AND HIMSELF only. Sasha has Fundacion nights all over the world, where he invites other DJ's to play WITH him. He's already where he wants to be and doesn't need some stupid #1 spot in a retarded poll to feel better about himself. He'd rather promote lesser known artists like Desyn Masiello, James Zabiela or Lee Burridge, and help them gain exposure by playing alongside him. So far I havn't seen Tiesto do anything of the sort. And not only does he have giant concerts devoted to his own ego, HE CANT EVEN BE ARSED TO BEATMATCH TWO FUCKING TRACKS, in a DJ BOOTH DESSIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM, at an EVENT DESIGNED FOR HIM, where he has complete control over any sort of hindrance that may bother him while mixing. So no...thats bull. Sorry. He wanted the #1 spot, he got it, but he was, and still is, unable to deliver a performance I would expect from the self proclaimed "#1 DJ in the world"

Yay! the topic is restarted

In 2003 Tiesto had the 'Invited By Tiesto' nights designed to be the party where Tijs could invite guests in a similar style to the Fundacion nights. However I�d say in hindsight they turned out to be more a good excuse for Tijs to invite his own heroes along to play: Tong, G&D etc.
His opinion (in a recent interview)on Phynn, BH artists � they are getting his full support as artists when he plays their productions, and that he is there if they ever wanted a talk or advice.

Clovis is definitely right by one statement � he definitely wanted that no.1 spot badly. The interview with DJ Mag from 2003 is the clincher � where you can see that it�s no longer about the music � �yeah we were aiming to win it this year, off the back of the Concert � but got a shock when I already did it last year�.

It�s definitely where he wanted to be � but unlike Sasha or van Dyk � who IMO have found their niche and are quite happy to continue within their limits as DJs, it seems Tiesto based his ambitions on popularity & personal gratification rather than achieving praise for technical recognition.

I actually think its pretty lonely being Tiesto right now. He�s insulted his way through a few technicians in the studio, fallen out with various blackhole related producers that formed the backbone of his sets, created disunity and unrest in his fanbase, it�s the end of an era alright � the wheels finally fell off.

Its becoming more and more about the special events - the 'Pit Parties!" and the Disney sets. What a joke. DJs like Tiesto are definitely the new Rockstars. They're also going to be spat out of the industry just as quickly in a few years time.

Unfortunately I don�t think Tijs sees all this coming � because whenever he steps into a booth he is overcome by thousands upon thousands of mad clubbers praising the very ground he is walking on. It�s pretty hard to form any kind of self-appraisal when the only reaction you�re getting is 110% OMG positive.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue just out of curiousity, who here has never been a part of the tiesto bandwagon? i've seriously never been a fan of his work..

I never was. Heck, I didn't even know about the guy until that Silence remix, and only really heard of him in press releases. Whether it was because I was way off in remote Prince Rupert, BC at the time, or had fled the anthem schlock to enjoy every other EDM genre instead, I don't know. It was only after his second #1 spot in DJMag that I really started to pay attention. Oh, and then I also started to 'lurk' on TA.

Since then, I've checked out a few of his DJ mixes, including that ISOS2, the one nearly all of his fans claim to be one of his best. Don't see what the big deal of that mix is -sounds like just about every other trance mix that came out in 2000.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue good point. ... just out of curiousity, who here has never been a part of the tiesto bandwagon? i've seriously never been a fan of his work..

Ive always admired his production work but was never a fan of his as a DJ. and unless he magikally () learns to beatmatch and have great track selection I wont start becoming one any time soon.

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Unfortunately I don�t think Tijs sees all this coming � because whenever he steps into a booth he is overcome by thousands upon thousands of mad clubbers praising the very ground he is walking on. It�s pretty hard to form any kind of self-appraisal when the only reaction you�re getting is 110% OMG positive.

Unfortunately? As if he cares. When his sales will start falling, he has got enough money anyway (already has). Every artist comes and goes. Tiesto and trance will be finished in about 3 years I guess (Holland speeking).

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Sasha's already where he wants to be and doesn't need some stupid #1 spot in a retarded poll to feel better about himself.

As if that was his idea. Gimme a break. Tiesto made a fantastic career, he can be proud. Started as a young boy in Breda and made it to the top, that's why he deserves most respect, despite you like his most recent works. You can at least respect the guy. When you become as big as he is, you need a management team and they got only one goal: money.
Eminem, same fuckin story. Was nothing, became big, management team joined with one goal: earning money. I know for sure he lost his actual fans with his most recent, but gained the mainstream and the money.

Personally, I still love to turn on Tiesto's work before 2002: ISOS < 4, Magik, Forbidden Paradise and his vinyl from that periode.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Yay! the topic is restarted In 2003 Tiesto had the 'Invited By Tiesto' nights designed to be the party where Tijs could invite guests in a similar style to the Fundacion nights. However I�d say in hindsight they turned out to be more a good excuse for Tijs to invite his own heroes along to play: Tong, G&D etc. His opinion (in a recent interview)on Phynn, BH artists � they are getting his full support as artists when he plays their productions, and that he is there if they ever wanted a talk or advice. Clovis is definitely right by one statement � he definitely wanted that no.1 spot badly. The interview with DJ Mag from 2003 is the clincher � where you can see that it�s no longer about the music � �yeah we were aiming to win it this year, off the back of the Concert � but got a shock when I already did it last year�. It�s definitely where he wanted to be � but unlike Sasha or van Dyk � who IMO have found their niche and are quite happy to continue within their limits as DJs, it seems Tiesto based his ambitions on popularity & personal gratification rather than achieving praise for technical recognition. I actually think its pretty lonely being Tiesto right now. He�s insulted his way through a few technicians in the studio, fallen out with various blackhole related producers that formed the backbone of his sets, created disunity and unrest in his fanbase, it�s the end of an era alright � the wheels finally fell off. Its becoming more and more about the special events - the 'Pit Parties!" and the Disney sets. What a joke. DJs like Tiesto are definitely the new Rockstars. They're also going to be spat out of the industry just as quickly in a few years time. Unfortunately I don�t think Tijs sees all this coming � because whenever he steps into a booth he is overcome by thousands upon thousands of mad clubbers praising the very ground he is walking on. It�s pretty hard to form any kind of self-appraisal when the only reaction you�re getting is 110% OMG positive.

So baisically, he's past the point of no return...? Interesting about the 2003 gigs, but it doesnt seem to be the same spirit of a Fundacion night. The idea behind Fundacion night is that you bring two DJ to the plate, and with them doing tag-team sets, the musical styles blend and the crowd wins in the end because they get a much more interesting show. Plus with Sasha and another big name on the ticket, the shows are guaranteed to sell out...so they are making cash off of it, thats for sure, but at least that isnt the main point of the night.

I respect Tiesto, for what he has done, I mean he certainly has been around the block, but its hard to respect someone who has turned their career into a circus act rather than anything based on talent or merit.

Hopefully later on he'll find a new passion for the music and it will reflect in his sets.

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Originally posted by BeeJay As if that was his idea. Gimme a break. Tiesto made a fantastic career, he can be proud.

No, he wanted the #1 spot regardless of whether he deserved it or not, because clearly he did not.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Why not try to make useful posts?

cause the post i replied to was fuckin stupid
its sarcasm dumbass

don't forget that Sasha was also voted as nr 1 dj in dj mag top 100 sometimes in the end of 90s. Though we never saw the same drop in quality as we did with Tiesto.

tiesto could fuck up an ableton mix....

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