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Gah, I'm with Mr Mystery on this.

Breaks = umbrella genre for styles of music incorporating a none 4/4 kick pattern, with various sub-genres like breaktrance/trancey breaks or electro breaks, etc.

Trance = umbrella genre for styles of music incorporating a 4/4 kick pattern (for the majority of the track) with other elements of trance, such as synths and pads, etc.

And on it goes for other genres.

C-Quence - Endorphine = Breaks, but of the breaktrance variety.

What we are trying to get at J, is that whilst not the only defining characteristic of a genre, the kick pattern can be used as the first level of filtering.

Does it have 4/4? Yes.
This rules out breaks, so now we look at other elements to see if it is trance, house, techno, or whatever.

Ya dig?

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Originally posted by kr00t0n C-Quence - Endorphine = Breaks, but of the breaktrance variety.

cool, McBreaks

lol! this is funny. i'm with System-J on this one. IMO trance with a breakbeat is still very much trance, be it breakbeat trance or whatever, but it's still trance to me at least.

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Originally posted by Scoops anything by Lasgo

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Anyone who mentions post 2000 pop Trance simply has no idea what they're talking about. The downward spiral started a long time before that.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 This song is overrated. If you have done so already you should check out: Sarah McLachlan - Sweet Surrender (tiesto remix) Now that's a tune!

Its complete shit imo... just yesterday i was thinking about how bad it was

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Originally posted by Sykonee Heh. That's the same attitude that has two guys debating over semantics in this very thread. Oh, and J' & Mystery are both wrong (or both right?). There are plenty of trance tracks that use breakbeats but aren't a part of the breaks family. L.S.G. - Get Out & Eat Static - Xenomorph are two examples right off the top of my head, plus what of all the trance tracks that have breakbeats in them in addition to four-to-the-floor (like Netherworld)? However, there are enough varieties of breakbeat music styles that have spawned from the original B-Boy movement to warrent its own major family independant from the other ones. (PS: my vote goes to Airwave )

i think they are talking about the beats in the majority of the track, not a track that has some breaks in the breakdown. i dont remember exactly how netherworld is, neither have i heard those other two songs, but lets say for example, push - strange world 2000, it has breaks on the breakdown but is 4x4 trance track, just having a short breakbeat section in it. pb and j - the way, is completely opposite, it is all breaks and has a short part in it that is 4x4 beat, but it is still breakbeat. in my opinion, the way the kick drum is structured defines what it is. if it doesnt go
x--- x--- x--- x--- with x being the kick, then i dont think its trance or 4x4 whatever you want to call it. breaks for example can go

x--- --x- --x- --x- or
x-x- ---x --x- --x- or
x--- ---- x-x- --x-

and many other ways

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Originally posted by Ishkur You can't even afford a train ticket to London, dummy. And you don't seem to leave your computer for any longer than 5 hours. Don't lie.

I wouldn't be so literal. I could afford a first class plane ticket to Papua New Guinea if I wanted to piss my money away. Come on man. I've seen what you drive. I wouldn't try insulting me on wealth if I were you.

And believe me, I've been to Orlando. As a tourist, mind.

I'm inclined to agree with System-J on this one, although I don't think it really matters. Trying to categorize everything only leads to pointless frictions between groups who feel the need to distinguish themselves from others and want to call something "their own", as Unworldly pointed out. Just enjoy the music, it's as simple as that.

I guess it's human nature to try to define everything and put it into categories.

What i was getting at with my original post was just because someone puts a breakbeat in a trance tune doesnt make it breaks. That just makes it a trance tune with a breakbeat in it.



Also, if you would like to listen to some quality breaks tunage listen to The Grounded Sessions with Az Au Yeung & Mr Sethan every friday from 5pm GMT only on http://www.nuskoolbreaks.co.uk

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Originally posted by hadi ****** i think they are talking about the beats in the majority of the track, not a track that has some breaks in the breakdown. i dont remember exactly how netherworld is,

There's an extended interlude in Netherworld, a bridge if you will, which features electro breaks driving the rhythm. In no way is it a breakdown though.

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