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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Of course DJs have choices and will choose which clubs they play...but I highly doubt the attractiveness level of the audience is what makes their decision.

1. The DJs booked at TIL are the same DJs who play regularly at guv, Cozo and the old system. you will never hear most of them switch over and start playing at Sonic, the docks, or footwork.

2. You'd be surprised at how much DJs think about the crowd - including attractiveness. I've read quite a few DJ blogs where a DJ will comment after a gig at how hot the crowd was. Go read Misstress Barbara's blog entry on her website that she wrote following her set at This is London.

I didn't choose any of the options in the poll b/c there wasn't a proper answer for what I think of the place.

I'm on the fence.

Pros:
I think the club itself is really nice. The set up is great, pretty classy. The dance floor is good to dance on and after 3ish the regular bar crowd usually goes home so there's lots more room! They bring in great DJs and I like the closeness of the DJ to the crowd. The upstairs I also enjoy, nice couches. You can dance up there or look over onto the dance floor. (I just don't like the carpets, makes it hard to dance...haha but I manage). And obviously the bathrooms (at least the girls, I don't know about the guys) are awesome. Lastly, in a past experience when a friend of mine just got a little too fucked up and needed to go home, the bouncers were nice enough to let us stay upstairs (which was closed) and take care of him until someone left to take him home. I thought that was pretty nice of them considering they could have just kicked him out and said the hell with him.

Cons:
The line to get in there is just unbelievebly ridiculus and unorganized. I've only had one bad experience with the line (mind you it was for opening night - Deep Dish). But we waited an hour and a half to get in...30-45 minutes of that being the next ones to get in through the guestlist line...while they proceeded to let random people they knew in, as well as TONS of people from the regular line. What's the point of being guestlist if the other line is just going to move quicker. When we tried to ask the bouncerse what was going on...they ignored us...flat out.
Personally I haven't had any other problems with the bouncers or getting in...but I've heard many a story from friend's who have gone and have had lots of trouble. It seems like the bouncers tend to go on a power trip and the "rules of admittance" change while you're in line. I don't think that's really fair. But this I'm just commenting on from hear-say.

All in all...I would go back b/c I like the club and they bring in great DJs. If I continually had bad experience with the service there however, I may re-think my opinion.

Ok the way I see it is that there's a conflict in what type of crowd they're trying to attract.

1)They want to attract an older, well dressed/classier crowd with their dresscode restrictions
2)They want to attract an EDM crowd by booking the big names

Do those two groups coexist? Of course they do. This is what I don't understand:

Why book a big name DJ that will only fully be appreciated by EDM fans and then cut out a large portion of the EDM fans? They don't deny entry to people who aren't EDM fans, do they?

If you're going to book a big name dj because you think that the hardcore EDM fans out there will show up, then don't turn them away when they do show up. What they're saying by turning away the EDM fans is Fashion > EDM. Which is fine, but why pay out the ass when you could hire a very talented lesser known DJ to spin some house music for your fashionable crowd.

If they're attempting to target EDM fans AND Dressed up people, then they're market is too specialized and will ultimately fail IMO. Get off the fence.

it will not fail..
there is many upscale lounges and clubs in toronto that do the same
except they dont advertise like TIL and they are still in business

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Originally posted by geroin it will not fail.. there is many upscale lounges and clubs in toronto that do the same except they dont advertise like TIL and they are still in business

they dont bring in international headliners that actually have fanse either

Even if it doesn't fail, I think they're losing money.

The # of people who will be allowed into a club on a given night will be more or less consistent. The idea behind getting a big headliner is to attract more people, specifically EDM fans in this case.

However without the big headliner, they're just as likely to attract the same number of people based on their other goals: classy, clean, stylish. Yet they sitll paying the big $ for the well-known EDM djs. Why not spend less money to accomplish they're musical wants and hire a lesser know, yet still talented, dj to spin their tunes.

You guys make it like TIL is going to fail because some of you can't get in. They're not going to stop packing the place, no matter how upset you are.

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Originally posted by DigitalMP You guys make it like TIL is going to fail because some of you can't get in. They're not going to stop packing the place, no matter how upset you are.

Thanks for missing the point.

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Originally posted by c2lancas Thanks for missing the point.

When I reply directly to your post, that's when I'm focusing on what you say.

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Originally posted by DigitalMP When I reply directly to your post, that's when I'm focusing on what you say.

Fair enough. My bad.

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Originally posted by c2lancas Why not spend less money to accomplish they're musical wants and hire a lesser know, yet still talented, dj to spin their tunes.

To promote the name of the club on an international level, not just local.

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Originally posted by c2lancas Even if it doesn't fail, I think they're losing money. The # of people who will be allowed into a club on a given night will be more or less consistent. The idea behind getting a big headliner is to attract more people, specifically EDM fans in this case. However without the big headliner, they're just as likely to attract the same number of people based on their other goals: classy, clean, stylish. Yet they sitll paying the big $ for the well-known EDM djs. Why not spend less money to accomplish they're musical wants and hire a lesser know, yet still talented, dj to spin their tunes.

It's not that they don't want to attract the EDM scene people, it's just that they expect you to put some effort into your appearance and dress up a little better I guess...nobody said you can't go

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Originally posted by starsearcher It's not that they don't want to attract the EDM scene people, it's just that they expect you to put some effort into your appearance and dress up a little better I guess...nobody said you can't go

I absolutely agree, and if I ever want to go that badly I will conform. I just think they should decide what's more important to them:

Fashion or Music ... and if its fashion, then why not save some money on the big headliners.

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Originally posted by c2lancas I absolutely agree, and if I ever want to go that badly I will conform. I just think they should decide what's more important to them: Fashion or Music ... and if its fashion, then why not save some money on the big headliners.

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Originally posted by geroin To promote the name of the club on an international level, not just local.

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Originally posted by c2lancas I absolutely agree, and if I ever want to go that badly I will conform. I just think they should decide what's more important to them: Fashion or Music ... and if its fashion, then why not save some money on the big headliners.

Cause then it turns into any other nightclub on the strip, there's nothing interesting or exciting or different about it. As it stands now it's the only club that does both really

I would actually have to agree with Skipper in this post, which is unbelievable cause we never agree on anything monumental occasion

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Originally posted by geroin To promote the name of the club on an international level, not just local.

To attract patrons from outside of TO/CAN, or to associate with talent from outside of TO/CAN?

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Originally posted by c2lancas To attract patrons from outside of TO/CAN, or to associate with talent from outside of TO/CAN?

I think what they're trying to say is that they'd like to put the club on the same level as some clubs in the Miami for example...or even Europe

No issues with my first time at TiL for Roger Sanchez. Lots of hot ladies everywhere, seemed to outnumber the men.... Many TA girls, few TA dudes.

I'm starting to the see point. Bouncers seem to keep a good balance of customers.

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Originally posted by c2lancas Even if it doesn't fail, I think they're losing money.

Why would they lose money?

The "traditional" EDM scene spends far, far less at the bar than the crowd that frequents TIL on Saturdays. When was the last time you saw bottle service at a rave?

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Originally posted by Skipper Why would they lose money? The "traditional" EDM scene spends far, far less at the bar than the crowd that frequents TIL on Saturdays. When was the last time you saw bottle service at a rave?

not to mention that the DJ's they're bringing in to TiL aren't exactly expensive DJ's, with a few exceptions.

Its not that they would lose money, its that they could save money. If they're not relying on bigger names for their business, then why do they need to spend that extra money for talent (I know it may be a small difference ... I guess I'm just thinking bottom line)

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Originally posted by starsearcher It's not that they don't want to attract the EDM scene people, it's just that they expect you to put some effort into your appearance and dress up a little better I guess...nobody said you can't go

oddly the ones that havent been let in HAVE mentioned about dressing up but havent been allowed for other reasons.

beauty/ugliness is nt a reason to discriminate someone. imagine if all clubs in the world said OK to only "beautiful" people...wow...would be kinda cool huh?

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Originally posted by c2lancas Its not that they would lose money, its that they could save money. If they're not relying on bigger names for their business, then why do they need to spend that extra money for talent (I know it may be a small difference ... I guess I'm just thinking bottom line)

I still don't follow. How could they be saving money exactly? by...?

I think they havea pretty clever formula going on right now.

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Originally posted by Skipper I still don't follow. How could they be saving money exactly? by...? I think they havea pretty clever formula going on right now.

They would save money by hiring a less expensive dj, because they're not relying on the big names to attract their customers. I assume all djs are not payed the same.

Other then the age inconsistencies, I actually liked TiL the two times I went. The first two times, I had no problems getting in, and it was nice to dress up for a place that didn't play shitty top-40 music. Sure the sound is crap, the crowd is snooty and bitchy, but the music is good, and I have a blast with my friends. After this last week though, I don't think I'm going to bother wasting my time going there any more, because I don't think its worth driving all the way down just to get denied at the door because they feel like switching the age up on me.

It's not even worth arguing about any more. I've said my peace and I'm done with it. I just wont give the place my business.

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