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Posted by The_G0dfather on Jun-06-2006 20:06:

maradona prolly has something to do with that


Posted by noikeee on Jun-06-2006 20:36:

quote:
Originally posted by eieregooie
Well, if were gonna look at history... How often does the hosting team win?


only found this "brilliant" comment now.. you can't be serious.

little quick research from a magazine i have right here. it's a list of the performance by the hosts from each world cup:

1930 - CHAMPIONS
1934 - CHAMPIONS
1938 - Quarter-finals
1950 - Finalists (2nd place)
1954 - Quarter-finals
1958 - Finalists
1962 - 3rd place
1966 - CHAMPIONS
1970 - Quarter-finals
1974 - CHAMPIONS
1978 - CHAMPIONS
1982 - 2nd group stage
1986 - Quarter-finals
1990 - 3rd place
1994 - Last 16
1998 - CHAMPIONS
2002 - 4th place / Last 16

I can only reach the conclusion that being the hosts is a huge motherfucking advantage. Some of these teams were crap, yet none were ever knocked out in the first round.

6 champions out of 17 might not seem much, but i'm pretty sure almost all of them would never win those cups if it wasn't for home advantage.


Posted by eieregooie on Jun-06-2006 21:47:

I dunno man, last 16 (50% of all teams in) or quarter finals (25% of all teams in) doesn't seem very impressive to me... So there's 6 out of 17, of which one in recent history...

That's nowhere near a good reason to say Germany is gonna make it this year. I'll admit, teams might be more motivated when playing at home, but if you don't have it in you you're just not gonna make it.


Posted by noikeee on Jun-06-2006 22:11:

quote:
Originally posted by eieregooie
I dunno man, last 16 (50% of all teams in) or quarter finals (25% of all teams in) doesn't seem very impressive to me... So there's 6 out of 17, of which one in recent history...


6 world titles is more titles than the nation with more of them (Brazil, 5). Now if you consider some of these events were located at nations that never acheived anything (i'm naming Switzerland, Chile, Mexico (who hosted it twice), United States and Korea/Japan), and remove those years from the list, you get this:

1930 - CHAMPIONS
1934 - CHAMPIONS
1938 - Quarter-finals
1950 - Finalists (2nd place)
1958 - Finalists
1966 - CHAMPIONS
1974 - CHAMPIONS
1978 - CHAMPIONS
1982 - 2nd group stage
1990 - 3rd place
1998 - CHAMPIONS

That's 6 titles in 11, plus 2 final presences, and a 3rd place. If that's not impressive I don't know what it is.

quote:
That's nowhere near a good reason to say Germany is gonna make it this year.


Home advantage is a good reason, but not the only one. Add it to these factors:

1. Germany aren't the best team in the world right now but can be considered above average given all the 32 participants.
2. They tend to perform very well at tournaments of this kind, even when they're considered crap (2002 as example).
3. They did exactly the same thing in 1974.
4. Their group stage opponents are piss poor.

Starting to look good, doesn't it?

quote:
I'll admit, teams might be more motivated when playing at home, but if you don't have it in you you're just not gonna make it.


It's motivation + having a huge stadium full of people pushing for you and against the opponents + the usual benefits from refereeing (that were really obvious in 2002).


Look, although I'm sympathising with Germany a little bit for this cup (i like several of their new players), I've always used to hate them! I think you can trust me for making a neutral avaliation. Plus I always liked Holland as my 2nd fav nation behind Portugal.

That being said, if Germany gets knocked out on the group stage, I'd be surprised but not shocked. I'm not completely sure of what are they capable of.


Posted by eieregooie on Jun-06-2006 22:22:

lol, well this isnt some rival issue or anything... id pick argentina, italy, portugal or france over germany (and england for that matter) I'm just surprised by the outcome of this poll (except for the obvious Brazil)

but hey, we'll see


Posted by zoric on Jun-07-2006 14:36:

There are far more people from England than Portugal on those forums, the same goes with a couple of other teams.


Posted by The_G0dfather on Jun-07-2006 19:11:

guess who was the first hosting country that got knocked out in the groupstage ? ...

damn that was a EC, but you can still guess


Posted by noikeee on Jun-07-2006 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by The_G0dfather
guess who was the first hosting country that got knocked out in the groupstage ? ...

damn that was a EC, but you can still guess


EC = european championship? oh yes, i remember that


Posted by Dj_Day-V on Jun-08-2006 01:03:

What a suprise, brazil gets the most votes


Posted by Hman on Jun-08-2006 07:17:

My vote goes to brazilia lol
thank you


Posted by sensorium on Jun-08-2006 16:37:

It�d be a huge dissappointment if Brazil didn�t make it to the second round.

They�re going to kick ass.


Posted by zoric on Jun-08-2006 20:24:

No.

Look out for Japan


Posted by The_G0dfather on Jun-08-2006 20:58:

kamikaze


Posted by LuNaSeA on Jun-08-2006 21:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj_Day-V
What a suprise, brazil gets the most votes


im actually surprised that germany got 2nd most vote..


Posted by zoric on Jun-08-2006 21:23:

It's all about people on the board and where they are from..


Posted by djash on Jun-09-2006 00:42:

Brazil, no doubt. I don't like to watch football (only like to play), but all teams looks bad. I always root for Brazil. They have team full of great players. I remember when i was a kid i saw match Brazil Vs All stars. Pele left match in second half. Brazil lost 2:1. Was amazing match. Since i root for Brazil.

Good luck Ronaldinho & Co


Posted by noikeee on Jun-14-2006 18:18:

So, now that we have seen all 32 teams play a single game, any changes of opinion?

I still think Brazil has something extra than all other teams, but i'm not completely sure they'll win the title - they're stronger but not by much. Argentina, Spain and Italy confirmed they are next in the list of favourites. Czech Rep surprised me by doing a fantastic game and could go far. Holland looked a bit too dependent in Robben but also have the quality. England, Germany, France and Portugal weren't very convincing.

One thing pisses me off - how all the exciting teams are schedulled to knockout out other early. Brazil's group vs Italy and Czech Rep group is the biggest example of it - one of these 3 teams won't be in the quarters. By contrast, out of the 8 unimpressive teams in groups A and B, 2 will be in the quarters.


Posted by zoric on Jun-14-2006 18:21:

There's only one upset, Sweden vs. Trinidad & Tobago.

The rest of the top teams won their games.

Will be interesting to follow a couple of other groups now that we're starting off at matchday 2.


Posted by Cloud on Jun-14-2006 18:22:

Czech will reach the semis i think. Great performance they put.
I guess it is still too early.


Posted by isoterra on Jun-14-2006 20:07:

if i had to place a bet i'd go with argentina


Posted by chach on Jun-14-2006 20:18:

anyone but brazil


Posted by magikb on Jun-15-2006 03:40:

quote:
Originally posted by eieregooie



I love your sig Bax

And I don't care what the odds are, who the other teams are or what the previous stats are.. this girl is gonna keep positive and still put 110% confidence in Holland that they will want this WC bad enough to finally win it


Posted by LuNaSeA on Jun-15-2006 03:46:

quote:
Originally posted by chach
anyone but brazil



srsly, goddamnit, go home brazil already. ffs.


Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-15-2006 03:46:

germany is at home, but they're still gonna go home


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jun-15-2006 03:48:

quote:
Originally posted by fastmp3
germany is at home, but they're still gonna go home


lol, I hope so. They both have enough World Cups already!


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