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you shouldnt be doing it regularly anyway, and if you do you probably do deserve to die, see sig

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Originally posted by Durafei The reason why so many more people die from alcohol/cigaretes than from ecstasy is because ecstasy is taken by relatively few people. If the same number of people were doing e regularly as the number of people who smoke/drink regularly, the number of ecstasy related deaths would be somewhat(as in A LOT) bigger. Besides, long term side effects from E are still uknown. Who knows maybe in 20 years all those people who've been doing ecstasy regularly will start dying.

exactly!!!

Judge jules Did do drugs

he was number 12 or 11 in an old musik magazine article about dj's who cain it, it said :-

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He was famously found quivvering underneath a bush in san antanio, foaming at the mouth

They made other "wink, wink" style references to his drug use back in the early days before he was big.

sasha was the funniest story though, he bought $400 worth of wigs for an afterparty that no one showed up for.

1. What business is it of yours if a DJ does drugs? Your not their mothers/fathers so it really has fuk all to do with any of you. Keep their personal choices out of it..

2. How many of DJ 9 times a week and can say your wide awake and up for it every gig, after crossing 3 different time zones and 4 different countries(an example but not unlike many DJs scedules) drugs are sometimes the only way to manage such a hectic time table.

3. People naming off DJs who THEY THINK take drugs are just fuking dicks! These people have families, kids colluges, friends that Im sure if they do drugs they would rather wasnt publicly announced.


4. If this is the best thing you can think of to post about then maybe you should consider just not posting at all

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Originally posted by Durafei The reason why so many more people die from alcohol/cigaretes than from ecstasy is because ecstasy is taken by relatively few people. If the same number of people were doing e regularly as the number of people who smoke/drink regularly, the number of ecstasy related deaths would be somewhat(as in A LOT) bigger. Besides, long term side effects from E are still uknown. Who knows maybe in 20 years all those people who've been doing ecstasy regularly will start dying.

ACTUALLY! ecstacy use in britian is widespread in the youth culture here. Statistics show more than forty percent of people between 17 and 20 use ecstacty regularly and still the problems caused are minimal and usually when there are problems they are caused by people ignorance to the drug. Everyone comes on ranting about the long term effects, again Id like to ask where all these manic deppressives are the first generation of "E" users are now well into their 40/50s. I dont see any of them suffering or any evidence of mental problems.

The lastest ones in britain just goes to show how full of shite the health agencies are here. "Ecstacy makes you go bald" LMFAO, constant bullshit to try and scare young people into not taking it. If they spent as much trying to educate people on the drugs and their effects there would be less deaths and probably less takers if they were just informed and not left with the curiosity of it..

Reply to The Don,

They dont make xtc like they use too. All dirty shite these days.

depends where you get it from..

I don't really care much if they take drugs or not. But it is a fact, that most DJ's are HUGE drinkers and smokers. And, like I read before, drugs like XTC and amfetamines are usually the only thing that can make it possible to be a proffesional DJ traveling around the world. But, drugs still kill you, thats what I think

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They dont make xtc like they use too. All dirty shite these days.

Make it yourself
ya, its true. You're never 100% sure what they made. Not so long ago, a few people died from taking socalled PMA. A drug that does the same as XTC, only slower, so ppl take more of it, then they die(and I heard it hurts like hell). Usually they even mix ratpoissen with XTC. It strengthens the effect and is very cheap.

anyway, i'm quite sure all famous DJ's are on xtc

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ACTUALLY! ecstacy use in britian is widespread in the youth culture here. Statistics show more than forty percent of people between 17 and 20 use ecstacty regularly and still the problems caused are minimal and usually when there are problems they are caused by people ignorance to the drug. Everyone comes on ranting about the long term effects, again Id like to ask where all these manic deppressives are the first generation of "E" users are now well into their 40/50s. I dont see any of them suffering or any evidence of mental problems.

1st, where did you get that 40% statistic? I very much doubt it's true. Who conducted the survey? How was it conducted. Always ask yourself those questions when you see a survey. Maybe 40% *tried* ecstasy, but that is certainly different from taking it regularly.

2nd generation of users maybe suffering. We just don't know. But still, 20 years is not a lot, wait another 10.

Trust me, when there are so many *unnatural* chemical activities in your brain, there is bound to be some kind of damage.

you gotta change that hat man..

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Originally posted by Durafei 1st, where did you get that 40% statistic? I very much doubt it's true. Who conducted the survey? How was it conducted. Always ask yourself those questions when you see a survey. Maybe 40% *tried* ecstasy, but that is certainly different from taking it regularly. 2nd generation of users maybe suffering. We just don't know. But still, 20 years is not a lot, wait another 10. Trust me, when there are so many *unnatural* chemical activities in your brain, there is bound to be some kind of damage.

The 40% statistic comes from umpteen drug awareness agencies up and down the country.. Why?? Do you think Im lieing?

Lol , he doesn't think you're "lying" - he is just questionning the facts, like any smart person would do. All information is biased, so analyzing carefully is key.

I agree with Durfei your "stats" don't seem too solid !!!!!

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Originally posted by The Don ACTUALLY! ecstacy use in britian is widespread in the youth culture here. Statistics show more than forty percent of people between 17 and 20 use ecstacty regularly and still the problems caused are minimal and usually when there are problems they are caused by people ignorance to the drug. Everyone comes on ranting about the long term effects, again Id like to ask where all these manic deppressives are the first generation of "E" users are now well into their 40/50s. I dont see any of them suffering or any evidence of mental problems. The lastest ones in britain just goes to show how full of shite the health agencies are here. "Ecstacy makes you go bald" LMFAO, constant bullshit to try and scare young people into not taking it. If they spent as much trying to educate people on the drugs and their effects there would be less deaths and probably less takers if they were just informed and not left with the curiosity of it..

I'd be hellishly surprised about the statistic being regular use, though not so much if it was a 40% have tried it. I'd think the statistic was a bit low though in that case. IIRC The stats I've seen for USA were in the realm of 60 - 80 % of people under the age of 21 had tried illicit substances at least once.
Ahh, found the american stats: http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov...guse/index.html paraphrased
Ever used any illicit substance (2001):
12-17 - 28.4%
18-25 - 55.6%
26-34 - 52.3%
35+ - 38.4%
all ages (12+) - 41.7%

The article has lots of info and funky graphs.


The place to find links about this stuff is http://www.drugstory.org/drug_stats/druguse_stats.asp

I''ll reiterate again, don't tell me drugs are bad unless you know what you are talking about from experience / first hand knowledge. I do agree however that drug abuse is bad, don't get me wrong. I'm totally against drug abuse whether it's tobacco, alcohol, e or heroin. In all things moderation is key.

I would also see much larger risks to people in the following areas:

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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5104a1.htm Riding with a Driver Who Had Been Drinking Alcohol During the 30 days preceding the survey, 30.7% of students nationwide had ridden >1 times with a driver who had been drinking alcohol (Figure 2) (Table 4). Male students in grade 11 (32.8%) were significantly more likely than female students in grade 11 (25.4%) to report this behavior. Overall, Hispanic students (38.3%) were significantly more likely than white and black students (30.3% and 27.6%, respectively) to have ridden with a driver who had been drinking alcohol. This significant racial/ethnic difference was identified for female students. Prevalence of riding with a driver who had been drinking alcohol ranged from 17.1% to 43.5% (median: 31.8%) across state surveys and from 19.3% to 39.6% (median: 29.5%) across local surveys (Table 5). Driving After Drinking Alcohol During the 30 days preceding the survey, 13.3% of students nationwide had driven a car or other vehicle >1 times after drinking alcohol (Table 4). Male students (17.2%) were significantly more likely than female students (9.5%) to have driven after drinking alcohol. This significant sex difference was identified for all the racial/ethnic subpopulations and for students in grades 9, 11, and 12. Overall, white students and Hispanic students (14.7% and 13%, respectively) were significantly more likely than black students (7.7%) to have driven after drinking alcohol. White and Hispanic female students (10.9% and 10.5%, respectively) were significantly more likely than black female students (3.3%), and white male students (18.6%) were significantly more likely than black male students (12.5%) to report this behavior. Overall, students in grade 10 (10.4%) were significantly more likely than students in grade 9 (6.6%) to have driven after drinking alcohol; students in grade 11 (16.7%) were significantly more likely than students in grades 9 and 10 (6.6% and 10.4%, respectively) to report this behavior; and students in grade 12 (22.1%) were significantly more likely than students in grades 9, 10, and 11 (6.6%, 10.4%, and 16.7%, respectively) to report this behavior. Prevalence of driving after drinking alcohol varied fourfold from 6.4% to 26.8% (median: 13%) across state surveys and varied fourfold across local surveys from 3.8% to 13.8% (median: 8%) (Table 5).

it also goes into tobacco use / alcohol / other risk factors for students a bit more quantitatively than rumours people spout.

I also have the view if you use drugs and you don't know what they do to you physiologically, then you are an idiot too. People that take "pills" that their "mate" handed to them and they swallowed without finding out what it was / testing it / at least knowing it's from a "reliable" source, or knows people who have done pills from the same batch; these people really piss me off, as they are likely to do damage to themselves, bring bad reputation to the scene and end up causing me and my friends grief. Yeah this is stereo-typing, but if the mould fits, it's not wrong to make use of it.

Anyway, to re-iterate once more: read your facts (I've linked to enough) then try and make your points. If you don't, I don't have any respect for your argument.

On DJs and drug use, my view is that it's a personal choice, and one to be made in consideration of the fact that they have a job that they are getting paid to do. If they perform better in their job and choose to take drugs then that is their choice to make. If they are worse from it, I'd find it a little bit of a disappointment (but probably go have a cone later with them ... j/k) Remember kiddies, they are private people too, and you all should be pretty careful making allegations and potentially defamatory comments about them as they earn a shitload more than you do (sterotyping again), and can afford decent lawyers (one of the best of the crop is a qualified lawyer). So think before you post yourself a lawsuit.

Hrm, quite a long post, gotta lay off the drugs methinks (j/k)

What DJ's do in their spare time doesnt worry me...its just when they're too fucked to perform that I get mad.

lol at the pic.

dj kieoki is the biggest drug head i know of when it comes to dj's.

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Originally posted by skware I'd be hellishly surprised about the statistic being regular use, though not so much if it was a 40% have tried it. I'd think the statistic was a bit low though in that case. IIRC The stats I've seen for USA were in the realm of 60 - 80 % of people under the age of 21 had tried illicit substances at least once. Ahh, found the american stats: [url]j/k)

The statistic stands at 40%. Over a million people take ecstacy alone every weekend here in britain. it has been this way for a while now.

In scotland, 60% of under 16's have tried drugs of some sort, once.

This was on billboards up and down the country. hence it is true.

try 250,000 mate

Anyone know about Armin doing drugs? I heard he has a law degree- so I don't imagine he could be too into them- but who knows?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skware
I'm totally against drug abuse whether it's tobacco, alcohol, e or heroin. In all things moderation is key.

I agree w/you generally, but I don't think "heroin" and "moderation" really belong in the same sentence. (or 2 sentences I guess)

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Originally posted by BonGWateR Originally posted by skware I'm totally against drug abuse whether it's tobacco, alcohol, e or heroin. In all things moderation is key. I agree w/you generally, but I don't think "heroin" and "moderation" really belong in the same sentence. (or 2 sentences I guess)

Yeah I know, the point I was making was that whether the abuse of a substance is alcohol or heroin it's still abuse and I'm against it. Heroin is one of those drugs where pretty much any use of it is easily liable to lead to an abusive situation, hence even moderation is not my policy. If one of my friends were to get to the stage of doing that stuff, I'd fight tooth and nail to get them away from it.

what about people who managa to lead a totally functioning life whilst being dependant on drugs, even drugs as serious as heroin..

i know that many great jazz musicians etc.. took serious amounts of heroin to inspire their work

loads of people can live normal lives on heroin, if they can sustain a job, and have a good clean supply.....
Id rather have a heroin addict perform surgery on me than an alcoholic anyway

Re: DJ's and drug use

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Originally posted by zarathustra I recently listened to a Ferry Corsten set where he plays a sample that says 'Ecstasy' throughout.

Hahhahahahahahah that bit of the initial post alone made me laugh

I thought I would add my comments

Yes you are right A lot of DJs and producers do drugs and drink. I play at Dance Academy in Plymouth UK as well as other venues (and free parties as well as radio guest mixes) quite a lot and get pissed out of my face nearly every single weekend I am out. I have tried base once (but never again) and I do laughing gas and poppers too....

Whoever said most DJs do not do drugs is the most naive person ever, of course most people are going to say they don't do drugs when questioned by the press.

I will tell you a few stories but I wont name names of funny drug experiences I have witnessed

1) A certain filthy trance producer for two massive UK labels played here in the south west and his driver's car broke down and he couldnt get to his second gig, so he decided 'Fuck it! I'm gonna get fuckin steaming' and bought 4 pills and did all 4 whilst gurning away next to the other DJs that nite. He also came on to my mate's girlfriend bless him.

2) One DJ from Wales came up to me once when he was fucked and asked me if I could get him any pills, which I declined as I don't do them. The same situation happened with another large UK producer.

3) A German hardstyle DJ demands weed every time he plays for my friends night here in the south west.

4) A supercharged UK producer/reviewer was well fucked on cocaine when he played here and dropped a bottle of beer bought for him on his foot letting it spill all over his shoe, isntead of picking it up - he stared at it vaguely and went 'Oh dear' and just looked vague.

That should do you for amusing stories and I hope it clears up questions.

Louk

P.S I have played records saying 'Fucking trip on XTC' 'Dance Of cocaine lsd ecstasy whatever' 'what was that....ecstasy' 'Ecstasy love' etc - doesn't mean I do them!

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