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Originally posted by ShadoWolf http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=969048863474 Are you suggesting that Harper initiated the investigation when he was merely Leader of the Opposition?

I think YOU & HARPER were in on with the "terrorists".

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Originally posted by Jayx1 More like "how long were you gone?" "3 weeks" "any tobacco or alcohol?" "nope" "have a nice day" Our customs is less a customs and more of a tax collector.

I don't agree with that actually. I have the hardest time at customs every time i come back to Canada from Belgium (or wherever i was at). I get asked 2 million questions, when was i last here, why i left, what am i doing here, who am i living with, what does my boyfriend do, where does he work, etc etc.

I always have this huge fear they won't let me in, they're so damn tough to get by. Really scary.

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"This group posed a real and serious threat. It had the capacity and intent to carry out these (terrorism) acts." - RCMP Asst. Commissioner Mike McDonell." http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/03062006...grown-plot.html

fertilizer does not make you a terrorist.

Just because i may have 5 handguns and 15 rifles at home does not make me a mass murderer.

I want proof of this "intent to carry out ""terrorist"" acts"

you guys are worried? I'm even more worried! There's sooooooooooooo many taliban types muslims in Montreal, the secret services should hurry up on getting them before its too late. In the 90's some terrorists operation were planned here before being carried out in Alegeria by the GIA.

I'm really affraid that some cells would hurry their operations fearing they might be caught soon


loca: i have never had any trouble with the customs over here. In th US its the exact opposite, being held for an hour, questionned over and over, its understandable to some extent.

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Originally posted by malek you guys are worried? I'm even more worried! There's sooooooooooooo many taliban types muslims in Montreal, the secret services should hurry up on getting them before its too late. In the 90's some terrorists operation were planned here before being carried out in Alegeria by the GIA. I'm really affraid that some cells would hurry their operations fearing they might be caught soon loca: i have never had any trouble with the customs over here. In th US its the exact opposite, being held for an hour, questionned over and over, its understandable to some extent.

The US is even worse lol. I went across the border at Niagara Falls last year and they fingerprinted me and took my picture!! Hahaha it took over 30 mins for them to let me through! And i'm from freakin Belgium! What's my tiny little country gonna do? Bah. Needless to say I'm avoiding the US like the plague now.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker fayraree & hardcore trancer: You both have a lot to say on this issue - which is good, I am interested in your opinion and perspective. What I find inconsistent however is that neither of you have fully, and harshly condemned the atrocious activities of the suspected Ontario terrorists (without some sort of "but... The West (Canada) is overstepping it's bounds... etc." type of disclaimer or some other rationalization). I applaud Malek, since he makes his position on this specific issue very clear (whereas your position is somewhat clouded with "exceptions"/"disclaimers").

RJ, if you know me well enough, you don't have to ask. I thought you did

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Exactly.

...and who let this guy into the argument?

FFS OF COURSE Hardcore and I are against terrorism!!!! Actually, RJ I mentioned that:

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Originally posted by fayraree And with regard to the terrorism, I truly hope and pray that whatever was being planned has been fully averted.

I'm beginning to think you just want to selectively ignore some of my posts to make me look bad oh well, I guess I asked for it for speaking my mind against our illegal occupation of Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I choose to support my government over extremists.

Does that mean you also support our Charter over extremists? No one in this entire thread said anything against the arrests yesterday. We were all responding to Malek's cry to limit multiculturalism.

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Originally posted by loca I have the hardest time at customs every time i come back to Canada from Belgium (or wherever i was at).

That's cuz you're a sketchbag! j/k sweetie (when do I get to see you next? )

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Originally posted by simms327 I want proof of this "intent to carry out ""terrorist"" acts"

I commend your defense of justice here, simms, but I have faith that the police and government will act on air tight evidence within Canada because of all the scrutiny they will face from the public eye. Although I don't trust the media 100%, a large-scale operation like this on our own soil HAS to have pretty solid evidence because of all the variables the government/police has access to here. They can monitor anything that goes on here with respect to those arrested and they can go back as far as when those arrested entered/were born in the country, so I trust they took the necessary action.

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Originally posted by malek you guys are worried? I'm even more worried! There's sooooooooooooo many taliban types muslims in Montreal, the secret services should hurry up on getting them before its too late.

Malek, in all seriousness, if you want to do your paranoia AND this country a favour, next time you see these "taliban types" (btw, what's a "taliban type"? Someone with a long beard and a white turban?) why don't you strike up a conversation with them? You're a confident guy, and honestly, I'd defend you like my brother if any shit got stirred up--I'll back you up with my Saudi connections! Seriously, TALK to them...don't fear them! Be friendly. If they ignore you and treat you like shit, then yeah, you've got a point, but most of the time these are kids who are just as open-minded, friendly, and intelligent as you and I. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch!
I volunteer every Friday night for a youth mentorship program at a mosque near my house in Scarborough (since university) and I know several Afghani kids (15-23) who wear the white thobe and turban to their PUBLIC school everyday and have long beards. They are among the most intelligent and peaceful youth I know. I'd vouch for their character in a second; I watched them grow up over the past 8 years.

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Originally posted by fayraree RJ, if you know me well enough, you don't have to ask. I thought you did

Don't play this discussion like that....

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Don't play this discussion like that....

I think my response was the most appropriate possible. It kinda bothers me that you'd insinuate (abercrombie too) that I'm not against terrorist acts. I feel like it's a slap in the face when I thought you knew I'm a HUGE proponent of peace, cooperation and respect.

Any response to my self-quote? Or was that disclaimed and therefore doesn't count? That's pretty narrow of you to expect responses that are packaged in your special way.

That's great that you admire Malek for how he "stands on the issue" of the arrests made, but how about his stand of limiting the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? (which is his more important argument; the other is an obvious moral response that I'm sure EVERY TOTA feels).

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Originally posted by fayraree It kinda bothers me that you'd insinuate (abercrombie too) that I'm not against terrorist acts.

I'm not insinuating that you promote or support terrorism. I know you, and I know your position on life/freedom/morals/etc. You're a great guy and I respect you a lot.

I find it odd that someone who is vocal and passionate about this issue has neglected to make singular statement that firmly and directly condemns this domestic situation (without then adding additional statements that seem to deflect responsibility).

Again - I'm not insinuating that you promote or support terrorism.

Malek shares many of your opinions - although he makes his position on the current situation very clear, and he does it as a point within itself: there is no reasonable explanation or rationalization for terrorism - it is inexcusable behavior, regardless aggravating factors.

Sorry if I offended you. I apologize. This is simply a political discussion.

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Originally posted by fayraree I think my response was the most appropriate possible. It kinda bothers me that you'd insinuate (abercrombie too) that I'm not against terrorist acts.

Actually Fay, you're not that bad at all, you were grouped with another individual of radical beliefs, and it was too sleepy last night to clarify. You're alright in my books, but the other, in the past, simply responded to my questions with questions to other topics as responses and repetitive ad hominem provocations leaving this individual, who predominantly hangs around TA for the political threads and not much else, with neither credibility nor respect.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer +1 This government is like a fuckin disease and it is spreading fast and they are getting into peoples head.They must be removed asap.I would hate to live in a country that is as fuckedup as the United States. We shouldnt be in Afghanistan,Canada is known for it is peacekeeping missions not fighting combats like how they are in Afghanistan today. I have a feeling we will be involved in more U.S fuckups in the near future simply because this cowboy wants to close to the Americans so bad.Canada will never be the same unfortunatly.

We have been in afghanistan since 2001 when the LIBERALS put us there.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer +1 This government is like a fuckin disease and it is spreading fast and they are getting into peoples head.They must be removed asap.I would hate to live in a country that is as fuckedup as the United States. We shouldnt be in Afghanistan,Canada is known for it is peacekeeping missions not fighting combats like how they are in Afghanistan today. I have a feeling we will be involved in more U.S fuckups in the near future simply because this cowboy wants to close to the Americans so bad.Canada will never be the same unfortunatly.

We have been in afghanistan since 2001 when the LIBERALS put us there.

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Originally posted by fayraree Malek, in all seriousness, if you want to do your paranoia AND this country a favour, next time you see these "taliban types" (btw, what's a "taliban type"? Someone with a long beard and a white turban?) why don't you strike up a conversation with them? You're a confident guy, and honestly, I'd defend you like my brother if any shit got stirred up--I'll back you up with my Saudi connections! Seriously, TALK to them...don't fear them! Be friendly. If they ignore you and treat you like shit, then yeah, you've got a point, but most of the time these are kids who are just as open-minded, friendly, and intelligent as you and I. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch! I volunteer every Friday night for a youth mentorship program at a mosque near my house in Scarborough (since university) and I know several Afghani kids (15-23) who wear the white thobe and turban to their PUBLIC school everyday and have long beards. They are among the most intelligent and peaceful youth I know. I'd vouch for their character in a second; I watched them grow up over the past 8 years.

I'm not affraid a man, i'm affraid of what he can do when our attention is away.

What do you want me to go tell a guy like him, "hey you, where are you hiding the bomb?" hehehehe

Its not serious, these types should be just left out of the country. The Netherlands, a very backward country, added an "integration" criteria in their immigration process. I think we can and should do the same.

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Originally posted by simms327 fertilizer does not make you a terrorist. Just because i may have 5 handguns and 15 rifles at home does not make me a mass murderer. I want proof of this "intent to carry out ""terrorist"" acts"

That's the function of our courts...so give it time...they can't say anything ahead of time...it compromises any trial that may occur.

As our Police Chief stated...apprehending alleged criminals is only part of the process...to successfully prosecute is entirely another matter. The need to inform the public and the need to ensure due process must be balanced...we do not have an unlimited "right to know" everything in an immediate manner.

Given the amount of time the authorities claim to have put into this investigation, I think it's safe to assume that there a LOT more to their case than just a fertilizer purchase (that's THREE TONS, btw).

While we *must* presume innocence, until proven otherwise...I'm curious, given the preliminary info, why you appear to be so skeptical of the charges? Do you really believe that the RCMP and various police forces would invest this much time and energy into nothing?

come on...

in this day and age, if you even JOKE about a bomb within earshot of anyone at an airport, you're taking away in cuffs and charged...if these guys were even half-heartedly up to something and the threat wasn't "imminent"...at what point do authorities step in? Do we wait for a act to be carried out?

I'm all for due process...but I'm stunned that anyone would be terribly skeptical about the actions of our authorities in this particular case, given the preliminary info that's been made available.

Chief Blair: The people's chief

Just watched an excellent press conference with the Chief at the Islamic Foundation of Toronto (the mosque I volunteer at).

Some excellent questions raised and excellent answers from the Chief and various leaders of the Toronto Muslim community. I hope some of you got a chance to watch that on CBC Newsworld; it was live just now.

RJ, the only reason I took offense is because you used the word, "inconsistency". I disagree with you because no matter how I construct my responses, it should remain a fact to everyone who knows me that I will CONSISTENTLY denounce the acts just like Malek did.

In fact, I did denounce the act categorically and I'm not sure how I undermined my position (or was "inconsistent" in your terms) with the rest of that post.

Anyway, I'm not gonna dwell on it. I think that Hardcore can be pretty blunt and aggressive in his language but if you take the time to carefully discuss the topics in a politically correct way (which I understand is not necessary--one of the beauties of TA imo) I'm sure you'll respect and understand Hardcore the way I do. He's harmless, really.

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Originally posted by malek What do you want me to go tell a guy like him, "hey you, where are you hiding the bomb?" hehehehe

LOL no, silly, you know what to ask. Break the ice by showing them sympathy for their situation (even if you don't feel any) by how Islam is being connected with terrorism unfairly (even if you don't believe that). Once you break the ice, you talk about their background, are they from Canada, where do you go to school, is there a mosque they know of that you can attend (I know you're not a Muslim, but these are the ways you can get more information to make yourself feel better, PLUS if there's anything sneaky you feel, report it to the police!)

In that program I just watched, the Muslim leaders and Chief of police asked the Muslim community AND the general community to do their part and not isolate the FAMILIES of the accused, but to approach them and embrace them; give them spiritual, economic, and general support. They have also been traumatized by this ordeal.

If they slam the door in your face, that's one matter but they shouldn't, if they are true Muslims. They will welcome you and hug you and cry with you.

/gheyness

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Originally posted by fayraree Anyway, I'm not gonna dwell on it.

Please don't. I didn't mean to upset you. Big hug is waiting for you next time we meet.

Re: Chief Blair: The people's chief

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Originally posted by fayraree Just watched an excellent press conference with the Chief at the Islamic Foundation of Toronto (the mosque I volunteer at).

Did you know Fahim Ahmad?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Actually Fay, you're not that bad at all, you were grouped with another individual of radical beliefs, and it was too sleepy last night to clarify. You're alright in my books, but the other, in the past, simply responded to my questions with questions to other topics as responses and repetitive ad hominem provocations leaving this individual, who predominantly hangs around TA for the political threads and not much else, with neither credibility nor respect.

ya I've been on TA for 4 years just to talk about politics.

and who are you I never see your face in the political room,you have something to say then come in and lets see if we can discuss it.
Alot of people hate my politcal views and thats fine but nothing will stop me from expressing myself.

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Originally posted by ++ EGO ++ "One of the guys arrested... I sat beside him in english class..." My friend just reported this to me...

No way...was he normal??

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Originally posted by adi26 No way...was he normal??

YES! They were all "normal". That is why this event is so significant.

Homegrown domestic terror cells are the greatest thread to our national safety.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer and who are you I never see your face in the political room,you have something to say then come in and lets see if we can discuss it.

Ad hominem.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 OK STOP!!! Yes they are obviously muslims... but we are missing the point here. THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK AND DERANGED. JUST AS SICK AND DERANGED AS THOSE CHRISTIAN EXTEMISTS THAT BLEW UP OKLAHOMA. The problem here isnt islam. Its religion in general. The biggest cause of death and destruction in the world is religion.

+200

here we go again

Vandals strike at Toronto mosque

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5047160.stm

wtf is going on her e- while we were all partying there's shit like this happenin' just thank god that we have an excellent RCMP and Ontario police to clear such disaster before hitting to close to home.

amen!

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