Breaking News: Isreal and Lebanon at War?

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Posted by hardcore trancer on Jul-14-2006 01:35:

quote:
Originally posted by ronk
I think we all pretty much agree that Ahmadinejad is kinda nuts, and in my opinion his statement has no basis. he also have connections to al-qaeda as far as I know.

oh really?where is your proof? they said the same thing about Saddam before the invasion and we all know that saddam had no ties with Al quada at all.

Posted by metalgearsolid on Jul-14-2006 01:58:

I pray to Allah and God that Israel attacks syria causing Iran to attack Israel. Lets hope that happens see how the jews fare against the Iranians.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-14-2006 02:02:

Posted by astroboy on Jul-14-2006 02:07:

Posted by Q5echo on Jul-14-2006 02:14:

OH SHIT HIBOLLAH JUST LAUNCHED A HUNDRED ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISRAEL. FUCK ME RUNNIN!

Posted by Psy-T on Jul-14-2006 02:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
OH SHIT HIBOLLAH JUST LAUNCHED A HUNDRED ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISRAEL. FUCK ME RUNNIN!

isn't it a bit early for that? it's only 5:30am here

Posted by LazFX on Jul-14-2006 02:39:

quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
I pray to Allah and God that Israel attacks syria causing Iran to attack Israel. Lets hope that happens see how the jews fare against the Iranians.

You are such in trouble there is only one god and mohamed is his prophet. Do you relize that you just did a taboo?? Do you believe in two gods?? YOU INFIDAL!!! I spit on your hair cut!!

ha ha ha

Yeah lets pray to the gods that hell comes to the innocent people on both sides.

Posted by Lira on Jul-14-2006 03:03:

quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
I pray to Allah and God

Ganesha is jealous.

Please think of Ganesha.

Posted by astroboy on Jul-14-2006 03:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
OH SHIT HIBOLLAH JUST LAUNCHED A HUNDRED ROCKETS INTO NORTHERN ISRAEL. FUCK ME RUNNIN!

Fuck. I think I have some relatives travelling there now... Fuck.

Posted by Renegade on Jul-14-2006 03:05:

Spot the extremist!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5175756.stm

(Hint: they all are.)

Posted by LazFX on Jul-14-2006 03:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Ganesha is jealous.

Please think of Ganesha.

Now thats more my style......
Om (aum).............. Om (aum).............

Posted by astroboy on Jul-14-2006 03:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Ganesha is jealous.

Please think of Ganesha.

lol... i always found it ironic that his divine vehicle is a mouse.

Posted by Fir3start3r on Jul-14-2006 03:22:

Just had to be posted...
It's kinda funny and sad at the same time...

it's 'fad'? 'sunny'? meh...

Posted by Cyrus King on Jul-14-2006 04:19:

The terrorist nation of Israel has become even more vile infront of the world. One soldier is kindnapped by militants from Gaza, so Israel decides to collectively punish 1.3 million palestianians by bombing thier only electrical grid and water supplied. Along with that, just BOMBING them.

Two soldiers are kidnapped by a some guerrila militants in lebanon, and now Israel decides to bomb the whole country.. whether its a stadium, bridges, buildings, villages, the only airport, or the capital city of Beirut. WHAT A GREAT WAY OF GETTING THE SOLDIER BACK!!! JUST BOMB THE FUCKIN COUNTRY!!

This is more than just the soldiers being kindnapped. This is Israel flexing its oversized muscles fueled by the super steroids their gym buddy called USA has provided them for the last 35 years.

Is killing 60 innocent lebanese civilians (so far) along with bombing a whole nation... really worth the trouble of getting two soldiers back this way? Couldnt they try to negotiate? HAHAH.. ISRAEL NEGOTIATE!!! AHAHHAHHA!!!

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-14-2006 04:29:

^^ so what would your plan of action have been had you been in israel\'s shoes?

Posted by kadomony on Jul-14-2006 04:32:

here's my rendering of the current situation.

Posted by kadomony on Jul-14-2006 04:40:

moar!

Posted by occrider on Jul-14-2006 04:54:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
Excuse me, but when was the Sharon administration ever confronted with a smiliar situation? The last soldiers kindapping happened in 1994. In 2000 it was the bodies of three killed soldiers that were handed back, and as far as i can remember, not for the price of 1000 released prisonders.
What goes on right now is at the one hand a provocation, on the other hand simply a TEST, a primitive way to check the new leader's "balls". To see how far you can go, to detect weakness. Te motivation for such actions is already detected weakness as Israel has a smiliar history with Gaza and Southern Lebanon: One-sided withdrawl with no concessions from the other side, which in both cases followed a history of heavy terrorism in these areas. This explains Israel's and particularly Olmert's harsh reaction: The individual politician Omert's wants to prove he's got what it takes, the nation of Israel does the same realizing the very project of Zionism is at stake. While terrorist activities within occupied territory or between it and Israel was at least psychologically always about the foreign land itself, the current attacks from de-facto foreign soil to the sovereign state of Israel is about nothing less than the very existance of the latter. The subject of the current blackmail goes deep into Israel's own independance.

It was 3 Israeli soldier's bodies in addition to a live israeli civilian. Furthermore it was 400 prisoners ... not an insignificant amount. The point was that the Sharon government was willing to utilize diplomacy when the situation warranted it and they were smart about it. This is not to say that Israel should yield to Palestinian demands nor is it to say that Israel shouldn't have responded with measured force. What I am saying is that the degree to which Israel responded to this crisis is unlikely to yield positive results to the Israelis nor anyone in the region. Israel had an opportunity to truly isolate the Palestinian government in the world of public opinion, and even more so with Lebanon. Given how primarily only Shia Lebanese support Hizbollah while the Christians, Druze, and Sunnis have been grumbling about their presence plus with Lebanon's efforts to regain some credibility in the world, this is like 10 steps back. Israel is choosing to gamble on making terrorists buckle by imposing hardships on the Palestinian people and the Lebanese people. As collateral Israel is sacrificing world opinion and arab liberal moderates. Given how terrorists are so fanatical about their hatred, even at the expense of their fellow people, I'm not going to put any money down on Israel's strategy.

Posted by Yoepus on Jul-14-2006 05:26:

Israel is playing the crazy card.

This card, played much by notable american presidents such as JFK and Ronald Regan, as well as Iran, and North Korea, serves great in detering future armed conflict.

This might not be good for Israel's short term or even larger long term political strategy, but what is for sure, from now on, terrorists and nations will think twice before kidnapping Israelis and violating their borders.

Posted by dennis on Jul-14-2006 05:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King

Is killing 60 innocent lebanese civilians (so far) along with bombing a whole nation... really worth the trouble of getting two soldiers back this way?

It's worth as many lives as it will take. Apparently, they think each soldier is worth 1,000 prisoners, so Israel isnt the one setting the prices.
The one thing I have noticed about the middle east is that they only submit to power. The time for diplomacy has come and gone, and Israel's enemies have made it very clear how they want the game to be played.
SUX2BSYRIAN/IRANIAN/LEBANESE/PALESTINIAN.

Posted by psychosomatica on Jul-14-2006 06:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
There's no opinions or validity to be had here.

You actually think they're just randomly picking houses to bomb??
And what makes you think they're NOT looking?? Why do you think they crossed the border!?

Maybe you should consider the validity of your arguments....

Um. Let's start with your first statement. It adds no value to your argument.

Second.. I didn't say they were picking random houses to bomb. They aren't. It was used as a rhetorical qusetion to illustrate my point that bombing bridges, power plants and airports is random and serves no purpose.

Third.. I didn't say they weren't looking. Once again, if they are looking, bombing civilian infrastructure does not serve your cause.

Fourth. I don't think that my argument is invalid as I have questioned the necessity to blockade an entire country.. Kill 50+ civilians to find two soldiers. You have not been able to justify the actions I have questioned. Why cannot the israelis use their drones to fly overhead and search for the soldiers.. or use the Mossad to find their whereabouts? Bombing a country will not suddenly bring them out.

A final point. The israeli government is using strongarm tactics to persuade the lebanese government to turn over the soldiers. Since we have already established that the lebanese government maintains no control over the operations of Hizbollah, is it not pointless to coerce them with military force? It's like trying to yell at a deaf person.

btw.. the smilies really don't do anything to further your case.

Posted by psychosomatica on Jul-14-2006 07:05:

quote:
Originally posted by ronk
damn, you really didn't understand, this whole time, that Hamas kidnapped Gilad Shalit? Hamas is the palestinian government for fuck's sake! did you see the Israeli government kidnapping palestinians?
and besides, this 'organization' kidnapped the two palestinians AFTER the kidnapping of Shalit, as a result. it's kind of a different thing.

edit: plus, Shalit kidnapping has nothing to do with the bombings in the north (at least, in my opinion).

The problem there is that Hamas has not taken responsibility for the kidnapping. What we do know is that another group has taken responsibility. If this situation is true, then Hamas is not directly responsible for the kidnapping. Granted, there are linkages, but, that's all they are... an example would be how Michael Moore drew linkages between the Bush clan and the Saudi royal family.

I'm actually kind of disappointed that you would imply that it is ok for jewish extremists to retaliate in the same manner. I hold both sides to the same standard. Just because it happened after does not make it any less of a crime. At least it is in my opinion.

as for your edit.. I don't know. It is totally possible that Hizbollah observed the reaction of Israel (when Gilad Shalit was captured) and saw an opportunity to escalate the conflict in the region. Like I said in the other thread: "It's not worth it.." (to use overwhelming force to get Gilad Shalit back) as some others could have seen it as an opportunity. Now, this has claimed maybe 100 lives.. and some of israeli lives. So what is happening is that more blood is being spilled (and many innocent lives at that) and nothing is being accomplished.

To say that Israel is currently having a successful operation... would be complete denial. Three soldiers are still missing.. and a bunch dead.

Posted by occrider on Jul-14-2006 07:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Israel is playing the crazy card.

This card, played much by notable american presidents such as JFK and Ronald Regan, as well as Iran, and North Korea, serves great in detering future armed conflict.

This might not be good for Israel's short term or even larger long term political strategy, but what is for sure, from now on, terrorists and nations will think twice before kidnapping Israelis and violating their borders.

So did the Sharon administration fuck up by not playing the "crazy card" in 2004? Was that the impetus for what we're seeing today? Why not right? This all boils down to the simple fact that the foreign policies of Ohlmert are remarkadly different from that of Sharon. And regardless of whether you're pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli I would enjoy any effort to comprehensevly justify or villify the actions of both in the same sentence.

Posted by Flotser on Jul-14-2006 07:52:

"Report: Growing calls in Lebanon to disarm Hizbullah.
Washington Post quotes Lebanese officials as criticizing organization for escalation on Israel border. Government states it has right, duty to extend control to Southern Lebanon"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...3275469,00.html

Those statments can ofcourse change in a any second, but lets hope they won't.

Posted by Q5echo on Jul-14-2006 09:48:

i just want to let everyone here know that the Bush doctrine has prohibited all out war in this crucial jucture in Middle East politics. the next time all out war among these countries happens, the Bush doctrine will have been long forgotten.

yay Bush doctrine!!!

now bring the hate.

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