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| Originally posted by malek lisaloo, you see what kind of generalizations you have induced people into? they can't even speak fucking english because they speak fucking french, the *other* language in Canada. |
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| Originally posted by malek having an opinion does not make someone right, even less when based on very little facts  |
This is thread full of heated and intense arguments which is good and I must say a lot of good points brought out about the situation occuring in Lebanon, citizenship, our government, etc....
Yes, we are entitled to our opinions...but really...are the personal attacks necessary?
Now for my two cents...
IMO, the group of people who are fleeing the country and who are complaining about the process in which they are evacuated ideally should not complain for reasons stated by many of you. They should be at least grateful that their respective governments are doing what they can to pull them out of danger. Though, who is it for most of us to really understand the emotional stress, and frustrations these people are going through? One can speculate that these emotions fuel their inclinations to complain. In that case, their complaints can be "somewhat justified". Though hopefully, these "complainers" are in the process of realizing that they are, despite the tramua, fortunate for being rescued.
The end...
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| Originally posted by LOT2005 DUDE ... WATCH THE FUCKIN NEWS!! they don't speak french! they speak lebanese and ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THERE ARE 50.000 TOURISTS IN LEBANON when the war started??? what the hell are that many "tourists" looking for in freaking Lebanon? digging up land mines? or maybe they just like sightseeing the houses cause they look like ruins? |
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| Originally posted by sticky_shoes This is thread full of heated and intense arguments which is good and I must say a lot of good points brought out about the situation occuring in Lebanon, citizenship, our government, etc.... Yes, we are entitled to our opinions...but really...are the personal attacks necessary? Now for my two cents... IMO, the group of people who are fleeing the country and who are complaining about the process in which they are evacuated ideally should not complain for reasons stated by many of you. They should be at least grateful that their respective governments are doing what they can to pull them out of danger. Though, who is it for most of us to really understand the emotional stress, and frustrations these people are going through? One can speculate that these emotions fuel their inclinations to complain. In that case, their complaints can be "somewhat justified". Though hopefully, these "complainers" are in the process of realizing that they are, despite the tramua, fortunate for being rescued. The end... |
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| Originally posted by malek Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I do think it's a bit crazy that some of these people with dual citizenship go to Lebanon and then want Canada to save them when it's unsafe...and when the coast is clear they just go back. No its not crazy, your country is in war you flee. 10-20-30 years later, you decide that things are now peacful to go back and live the rest of your life there. You're still a Canadian citizen and every citizen should be treated the same, thank god we don't have second class citizens like some other backward countries. The same can be said to the thousands of HKers, Israelis, and countless other minorities here. Canada takes a gamble when they accept immigrants, some decide to go back, but the majority live and work and pay their taxes here. When you'll be elected as the next prime minister, change the laws to put an expiry date on citizenships for those who don't pay taxes for a given number of years... and we'll see how that goes. |
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaint
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| Originally posted by malek geez... there's 50k citizens there, about 15k-20k tourists. If we look at those who came back in the last few days, very very few (not even 10%) were actually living in Lebanon, the rest are tourists. why would they come to canada anyways, we all live in igloos and go to work in our canoes. |
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| Originally posted by malek its all about common sense, something not everyone behind a keyboard possess. |
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| Originally posted by LOT2005 Pray to God i won't be elected primenister lol ... and thank you , first of all for agreeing with me that they are not tourists...now, yes thats fine, they moved back there cause its safe...BUT since you are talking about risks...they took a risk when they went back there, things have never been safe in that country, and now that things have gotten worse its ok to want to come back...BUT DONT U FUCKIN DARE BLAMING CANADA, thats whats pissing me off! This country has given them a second chance when it acceptem them to imigrate here, made them citezens...and they left, and now...THEY ARE THE ONES STILL BITCHING??? i would drop them off in the Mediteranean Sea if you asked me...lol |
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| Originally posted by LOT2005 Ya i wonder why too ... you'd rather eat napalm like they do now eh? ... why dont you move there? |
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| Originally posted by malek myself and others in this thread firmly believe that this complaining thing has been blown out of proportions by the (english) medias because they suck Harper balls who is pro-israeli. The silent majority is grateful. |
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| Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* |
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| Originally posted by malek i was being sarcastic because you referred to lebanon as being in ruins and being full of landmines. |
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| Originally posted by LOT2005 Isn't it mostly in ruins? |
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| Originally posted by malek not really. but there's still some relics from the wars |
Hmmm. Well watching all the coverage and listening to people rant or rave makes me feel proud.
Proud that I live in a country that felt obligated to help its citizens when a crazy situation developed almost overnight.
Proud that nobody questioned whether there were only "certain" Canadians who were eligible to receive this help, but instead felt that everyone deserved to be aided.
Proud that whether a person could afford to pay for this help or not did not affect their ability to get out of a dangerous position.
Proud that as a nation, we allow our citizens to travel, work - and live - in another place as a matter or course without questioning whether they are still Canadian citizens.
Proud that hundreds of Canadian employees worked their asses off under extreme circumstances to make sure that any Canadian who needed assistance was able to get it.
Yes some people complained. They were under intense stress, were fearful for their very lives - and the lives of their family and friends. And they were forced as a matter of circumstance to endure what had to be a very tough ordeal; both physically and emotionally. I probably would have lashed out in some way too.
But.
I'm proud that I live in a country where I am allowed to complain sometimes, and to voice frustrations sometimes, and wish my goverment handled things differently sometimes.
I guess I am just proud.
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| Originally posted by chrismack Hmmm. Well watching all the coverage and listening to people rant or rave makes me feel proud. Proud that I live in a country that felt obligated to help its citizens when a crazy situation developed almost overnight. Proud that nobody questioned whether there were only "certain" Canadians who were eligible to receive this help, but instead felt that everyone deserved to be aided. Proud that whether a person could afford to pay for this help or not did not affect their ability to get out of a dangerous position. Proud that as a nation, we allow our citizens to travel, work - and live - in another place as a matter or course without questioning whether they are still Canadian citizens. Proud that hundreds of Canadian employees worked their asses off under extreme circumstances to make sure that any Canadian who needed assistance was able to get it. Yes some people complained. They were under intense stress, were fearful for their very lives - and the lives of their family and friends. And they were forced as a matter of circumstance to endure what had to be a very tough ordeal; both physically and emotionally. I probably would have lashed out in some way too. But. I'm proud that I live in a country where I am allowed to complain sometimes, and to voice frustrations sometimes, and wish my goverment handled things differently sometimes. I guess I am just proud. |
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| Originally posted by chrismack Hmmm. Well watching all the coverage and listening to people rant or rave makes me feel proud. Proud that I live in a country that felt obligated to help its citizens when a crazy situation developed almost overnight. Proud that nobody questioned whether there were only "certain" Canadians who were eligible to receive this help, but instead felt that everyone deserved to be aided. Proud that whether a person could afford to pay for this help or not did not affect their ability to get out of a dangerous position. Proud that as a nation, we allow our citizens to travel, work - and live - in another place as a matter or course without questioning whether they are still Canadian citizens. Proud that hundreds of Canadian employees worked their asses off under extreme circumstances to make sure that any Canadian who needed assistance was able to get it. Yes some people complained. They were under intense stress, were fearful for their very lives - and the lives of their family and friends. And they were forced as a matter of circumstance to endure what had to be a very tough ordeal; both physically and emotionally. I probably would have lashed out in some way too. But. I'm proud that I live in a country where I am allowed to complain sometimes, and to voice frustrations sometimes, and wish my goverment handled things differently sometimes. I guess I am just proud. |
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| Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Asking for a bit of food and water, a place to stay or whatever...Canada is not obligated to give them such...but yes I believe that it's the right thing to do and to help our people. |
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit do you even know what your writing here? of course if your going to rescue someone you gotta give htem some food and water.. its a 14 hour trip. you should see how people react when they have to wait for the next bus out of wemf.. hahaha |
whoa! guys relax
malek stop biting Lisa's head off, since when do you have to punished for having your own opinion? If anything I would be inclined to belieave a smaller newspaper then bias large cities papers
10-15K tourist? where did that come from? guys get ur stats right
also, a fraction of tourists evacuated was very small - most of the Lebanese-Canadian evacuated were working and residing in Lebanon not taking a luxurious vacation
Canadian PM in airlift mission
Harper�s Canadian Forces Airbus and another Canadian-chartered passenger jet took off from Larnaca last night with a combined 250 people aboard in the first airlift Ottawa has been able to muster since Israeli bombs began to rain down on Lebanon 10 days ago.
Officials said Harper�s jet would touch down in the Canadian capital, while the other aircraft would head for Montreal where it�s believed most of the passengers reside.
The flights would appear to salvage some pride for the Canadian Premier who had staked his reputation on bringing back home the first of an estimated 50,000 Canadians � the most of any country - out of Lebanon.
Critics
It would also assuage critics charging his flight was little more than a publicity stunt to gloss over Ottawa�s slow response.
So determined was Harper not to return Canada empty-handed, he stayed in his Airbus - parked on the Larnaca airport tarmac - for more than 20 hours.
"For the prime minister it�s more important getting the Canadians back than his own comfort," Harper�s spokesman told reporters at Larnaca airport.
"He is going to stick it out until the Canadians come home."
According to one Canadian official, Harper did not go without some compulsory creature comforts such as air -conditioning and decent catering to help pass the time with his wife Laureen in the confines of the Airbus.
He did manage to get some sleep in a specially-designed sleeping compartment that his press secretary implied left much to be desired.
Soon after touch-down, Harper was greeted aboard the plane by Foreign Minister George Lillikas and Canada�s Honourary Consul in Cyprus Eleni Chrysostomides � his only contact with Cypriots.
"It�s more than a symbolic trip," Harper told reporters in Paris to explain his Cyprus detour as he headed home following a G-8 meeting in Russia�s St. Petersburg.
"There�s a need for air support in Cyprus�We believe it�s the right thing to do and that�s why we are going to do it," he said.
Harper opted to dispatch his aircraft with himself and a small security detail aboard, instead of sending it to Larnaca emply to make room for even more passengers.
Yet Harper persevered through it all and brought home the 250 who were among the first batch of 261 Canadians Ottawa managed to ship out of war-torn Beirut aboard the cruising yacht Blue Dawn.
Sixteen Canadians managed to get out of Beirut on Monday aboard an Italian destroyer, thanks to their association with Italy.
Disappointed
One Italian-Canadian mother of two privately told a Canadian Foreign Affairs official on the Larnaca�s wharf of her "disappointment" at the way Canada�s diplomatic mission in Beirut let them down at their time of need, referring them to voice-mails instead of real assistance.
Despite several false starts and chaotic scenes at Beirut port, the Blue Dawn docked at Larnaca port at around 1:30pm on Thursday � a delay of five hours from when it was originally scheduled to arrive.
The long sail to Cyprus was far from pleasant for some gripped by seasickness.
Passengers were transferred by coach to the Panorio Wedding Reception Hall near Livadhia were they were to be processed.
"We prepared a passenger manifest, just paperwork," said spokesman Richard Belliveau.
Yet what can only be ascribed to Canadian inexperience at organising such a massive and complex logistical operation can explain what eyewitnesses described as scenes of chaos in the reception hall.
One observer said some people were "extremely angry" but most were circumspect, pleased under the circumstances to be going home. Three people suffering from undisclosed ailments had to be rushed to hospital for treatment.
Belliveau played that down, attributing the frayed nerves brought on by travel fatigue.
"Everybody�s calm, there are no expressions of anger, it�s a wonderful group�remember, these people have gone through an awful lot," said Belliveau.
The nagging question is why Canada - with its considerable resources - begins mounting an evacuation nearly a week after tiny Cyprus started getting its people home.
Proximity and local knowledge may be a crucial advantage, but Canadian officials on the ground since Monday appeared to have gotten off to a sluggish start.
Canada has leased seven vessels to ferry thousands of Canadians out of Lebanon in an operation estimated to last two weeks.
Most Canadians would be shipped out through Mersin, Turkey � not Cyprus. Canadian officials refused to disclose either the name of the vessels or under which country they are registered, citing security reasons.
However, Cypriot shipping company Louis put out a statement saying Canada had chartered two of its cruise ships � the Serenade and Princesa Marissa to ferry Canadians out of Lebanon this weekend.
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Re: Re: Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaints
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| Originally posted by LOT2005 I agree ... and if you watch the news, its not even FUCKIN tourists...its Lebaneze people who imigrated to Canada, took their citezenships and than went back to Lebanon..... Canada is doing a nice thing... |
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit do you even know what your writing here? of course if your going to rescue someone you gotta give htem some food and water.. its a 14 hour trip. you should see how people react when they have to wait for the next bus out of wemf.. hahaha |
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| Originally posted by malek don't mind her... water and food does not mean Champagne and Caviar |
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| Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* go fuck yourself |
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