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Originally posted by Magnetonium Please, please tell me what this is: What were these Egyptians holding???

an urn with snakes in it.

otherwise, its DEFINITELY something alien! thats the most logical next step obviously!

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Originally posted by venomX Im not talking about the Cheops Pyramid, im merely pointing out that your theory about the Easter Island statues is wrong as it has been proved to a good extent how the statues would have been dragged and propped up. Also the carving is a no brainer, the tools they used where found at the quarries, along with statues at different stages of completion, so please save us the CT on this one, because there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. As far as the pyramids go, my guess is as good as yours when it comes to the mathemathical complexity of them.

These Easter Island stipulations make a lot of common sense, though I have some other ideas too ;-) and I am not 100% for them ... I think there's some missing pieces of history that arent accounted for in the official description, but I wont get to that!

I am just curious though, do you really think it was aliens involved or is it just remnants from previous civilization that helped or built the Cheops Pyramid and then the Egyptians stole the idea and called it their emperor's burial place?

Or do you stick with the main official story that Egyptians did build it all ... just curious at to what you're leaning to

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Originally posted by Magnetonium These Easter Island stipulations make a lot of common sense, though I have some other ideas too ;-) and I am not 100% for them ... I think there's some missing pieces of history that arent accounted for in the official description, but I wont get to that! I am just curious though, do you really think it was aliens involved or is it just remnants from previous civilization that helped or built the Cheops Pyramid and then the Egyptians stole the idea and called it their emperor's burial place? Or do you stick with the main official story that Egyptians did build it all ... just curious at to what you're leaning to

I havent read any of the information available on the Egyptian pyramids so i cant really conclude anything. All the knowledge i have is basically for the "official" explanation so i cant really say otherwise. Im more versed in the Anasazi, Maya, Easter Islanders and some others because im reading a book on the collapse of ancient civilizations and the patterns that emerge from their study. It could've been ancient civilizations are aliens for all i know, but i think the point that alot of people are trying to make here is that just because we dont know how something happened yet, doesnt mean it has an extroardinary explanation. Hell, maybe in the future when all these things are studied further and theres more information available we'll uncover that it was aliens, or that there was some other advanced civilization before use. But for the time being i think critical review of the information at hand is more important than falling in love with the more romantic explanations.

Alright, how about another question: do you think our civilization started off on the ruins of the previous lost collapsed civilization, or did we merely develop like the history books say? What is your educated thought on this?

Archeological studies in Babylon area unearthed several layers of different cities built over on top of each other in different eras ... one city on top of another, about 3 different unique layers. And the whole story of the flood actually comes from Sumerian stories BTW, and Christians took it for their Bible as well.

i have a question. why do you find it so easy to ignore popularly accepted points of view in favour of outlandish claims? (ie 9/11, aliens, diana etc.)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Alright, how about another question: do you think our civilization started off on the ruins of the previous lost collapsed civilization, or did we merely develop like the history books say? What is your educated thought on this? Archeological studies in Babylon area unearthed several layers of different cities built over on top of each other in different eras ... one city on top of another, about 3 different unique layers. And the whole story of the flood actually comes from Sumerian stories BTW, and Christians took it for their Bible as well.

I dont know I have some free time right now so ill read up a bit on this and get back to you. From what i know the information that has been proved to a reasonable extent and that is "mainstream" points to a development similar to what history books say. I wouldnt be amazed if things change or are corrected, or other information is added in the future, after all it has happened before and as our knowledge of the world increases its bound to happen again.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i have a question. why do you find it so easy to ignore popularly accepted points of view in favour of outlandish claims? (ie 9/11, aliens, diana etc.)

Question to you - why do you ignorantly follow the lame and predictable explanations of governments and how they run things? BTW, this is not the right thread ;-)

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i have a question. why do you find it so easy to ignore popularly accepted points of view in favour of outlandish claims? (ie 9/11, aliens, diana etc.)

Same reason why any body with his views does. They want some excitement in their lives because they are bored with theirs.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Question to you - why do you ignorantly follow the lame and predictable explanations of governments and how they run things? BTW, this is not the right thread ;-)

firstly, thats not an answer. secondly, this has nothing to do with "governments" and all that rubbish. it is related to your tendency to favour the fantastic over the mundane. im curious as to why youre so easily infatuated with shall we say, alternative points of view. thirdly, its the perfect thread to discuss this.

and finally, if you actually provided me with evidence even remotely credible or compelling then i might stop my so-called "ignorance". until then, fasten that tinfoil hat einstein.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Same reason why any body with his views does. They want some excitement in their lives because they are bored with theirs.

Thats not true ;-) You guys want the truth? Because I lived in a country where when it collapsed in a heap of smmoke, all the lies came out ... the entire Soviet Union was a lie on top of a lie on top of a lie. When American empire collapses, I'm pretty sure some of the truth will leak out ...

Since then I have always taken a neutral approach. I only believe in official story when there's undeniable and unbiased proof (if USA didnt invade Iraq or Afghanistan and didnt pass Patriot Act, I'd believe it was Osama Bin Laden!!!). You see?

What happend on 9/11 looked at first like a terrorist attack. But after I looked at what the greedy governments did after, it started to become very obvious the real scope of events, and the rest I found out in due time. Makes sense/?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Thats not true ;-) You guys want the truth? Because I lived in a country where when it collapsed in a heap of smmoke, all the lies came out ... the entire Soviet Union was a lie on top of a lie on top of a lie. When American empire collapses, I'm pretty sure some of the truth will leak out ...

i hate to break it to you, but the USSR and USA are pretty different, despite what some hippies might think. also, the american empire will never collapse in the same way that the soviet union did.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Since then I have always taken a neutral approach. I only believe in official story when there's undeniable and unbiased proof (if USA didnt invade Iraq or Afghanistan and didnt pass Patriot Act, I'd believe it was Osama Bin Laden!!!). You see?

lets not hijack with 9/11 stuff, but the behaviour of the government after the attacks isnt evidence of anything. do you understand "political opportunism"? come on

no, i dont believe youre a neutral observer. you clearly have a penchant for favouring the fringe over the norm. i want to know why.

I dont want to talk about this - this is not the thread, and quite frankly, it doesnt matter. Seems like you are reall bothered and curious why oh why I dont believe your sometimes arrogant and absurd statements, as much as you'd like to describe mine.

I don't have a problem with you following the pro-government doctrine, its your ass. I got my life, I've seen things you can only imagine. Wars, poverty, hunger, lies, corruption, greed, jealousy ... I was poor myself. I learned a lot. And thanks to this knowledge I am alive today. And nothing's going to change that.

You grew up in a comfortable western society, all fed and dressed. I came from a hell-hole, where our governments did same crimes as your people.

Both Soviets and Ammericans committed plenty of crimes around the world, against their own people, and against their enemies ... its been documented. You can call your fight in the name of democracy, which is a nice excuse. I dont buy it.

End of topic. Start a new thread, I might come, probably not. I want to tallk about aliens, paranormal and similar stuff on this thread, ok? Thanks!

I have a question. you like to hike right? Have you ever experienced something paranormal? or since you know where UFO's have been sighted-more than once- in the past decade why don't you go and see for yourself?

i dont have a pro-government doctrine you stupid presumptuous twit. i have an anti "i believe in magic and leprechauns and flying saucers over everything else" doctrine. big big difference.

youre not critical of the "evidence" of any of these issues, and you have a tendency to believe things that fit in with your pre-conceived notions.

ie unknown item in egyptian writing = alien technology.
renaissance art = irrefutable proof of flying saucers
fantastic engineering skill of the egyptian people = alien constructed pyramids.

you are too keen to place the incredible into perceived gaps in the narrative.

Looks like people have been seeing similar UFOs for hundreds if not thousands of years.

pkcRAISTLIN - if UFOs are not aliens, then what are they?

over imaginative witnesses. fakes. military aircraft. natural phenomenon.

the UFO fans were all excited about crop circles too until it became obvious they were stunts.

sorry, you're all gonna need more than your "i want to believe" analysis of art and hieroglyphics (sp?) to convince anybody of anything.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN over imaginative witnesses. fakes. military aircraft. natural phenomenon. the UFO fans were all excited about crop circles too until it became obvious they were stunts. sorry, you're all gonna need more than your "i want to believe" analysis of art and hieroglyphics (sp?) to convince anybody of anything.

Well military aircraft are pretty much out for Italy in the 1500s, so that leaves crazies, liars, and natural phenomena (also known as stuff that happens that modern science can't explain ).

I don't know any natural phenomena that looks/behaves like a UFO, but I do know that UFO's fall under the "stuff that modern science can't explain," so explaining "stuff that can't be explained" by "stuff that happens in nature that can't be explained" is out too.

Leaving liars and crazies. Now, lies/pranks/jokes being put in paintings like this at a time where people were getting tortured and burned for much less (think spanish inquisition) seems pretty ridiculous. People really were seeing those things.

So it must be everyone that everyone that drew/commisioned a painting with a UFO in the background in 1500s Italy (in other words, the rich nobles and merchants, people with much to lose) was either insane or wanted problems with the Catholic Church.

Your explanations just don't seem to stand on their own, friend.



You remind me of me a few years ago when I was an atheist making fun of people who believed in God. I was such a smug bastard, and I was really hurting people when I threw science in their face and laughed at them. I realized something since then. Both people who strongly believe and people who don't believe in something like God, or aliens, or whatever, they see the same thing, but they either see it at a "glass is half-full, grass is half-empty" perspective.

So when you come in a UFO thread and start your pimply fourteen year-old stuck up "prove it" attitude, it pisses me off.

I don't need to prove jack shit to you. You need to prove TO ME that every single recorded instance of UFO sightings out there has nothing to do with existance of sentient life outside of Earth. You need to prove TO ME that it's impossible for intelligent life to develop ahead of the human race, and then come here for whatever purpose.

Glass half-empty, grass half-full

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Originally posted by Cal I don't need to prove jack shit to you. You need to prove TO ME that every single recorded instance of UFO sightings out there has nothing to do with existance of sentient life outside of Earth. You need to prove TO ME that it's impossible for intelligent life to develop ahead of the human race, and then come here for whatever purpose. Glass half-empty, grass half-full

I have to agree with this,why is that the people who believe in aliens and such have to explain thmeselves or proof if they exist or not? they should come prove to us that Aliens dont exists and we are the only civilizaion in this universe.

and once again I would like to raise this quesiton,why havent we been back to the moon and is Nasa changing all the infomation ie.images thats is coming to us for space?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] I dont want to talk about this - this is not the thread, and quite frankly, it doesnt matter.

Yea, actually it does.

I'm sure I wouldn't be exaggerating if I was to say that over 90% of your posts and threads ALL have the same ring to it.
It's either grandiose government conspiracies, fringe theories or just plain crazy talk.
What exactly IS your fascination with this kookie, anarchistic edge anyways?

I'm not saying it's not...uh....entertaining, but we're just curious what makes a displaced Russian cosmonaut tick....

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Originally posted by Cal Well military aircraft are pretty much out for Italy in the 1500s, so that leaves crazies, liars, and natural phenomena (also known as stuff that happens that modern science can't explain ).

sorry, wheres this evidence of 1500s UFO? coz there isnt any.

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Originally posted by Cal I don't know any natural phenomena that looks/behaves like a UFO, but I do know that UFO's fall under the "stuff that modern science can't explain," so explaining "stuff that can't be explained" by "stuff that happens in nature that can't be explained" is out too.

you might not know, but there are plenty of lesser souls that wouldnt know if you were up them with an arm full of chairs. strange lights in the sky. ooooh! must be alien UFOs!

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Originally posted by Cal Leaving liars and crazies. Now, lies/pranks/jokes being put in paintings like this at a time where people were getting tortured and burned for much less (think spanish inquisition) seems pretty ridiculous. People really were seeing those things.

artistic lisence. wheres the corresponding text? documented sitings etc?

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Originally posted by Cal So it must be everyone that everyone that drew/commisioned a painting with a UFO in the background in 1500s Italy (in other words, the rich nobles and merchants, people with much to lose) was either insane or wanted problems with the Catholic Church.

see above. as far as im concerned its you guys that are giving these paintings all this meaning. half those pics dont even resemble anything like a saucer. the only people these paintings convince are those that have an intense need to believe.

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Originally posted by Cal Your explanations just don't seem to stand on their own, friend.

to someone from the tinfoil hat brigade perhaps.

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Originally posted by Cal You remind me of me a few years ago when I was an atheist making fun of people who believed in God. I was such a smug bastard, and I was really hurting people when I threw science in their face and laughed at them. I realized something since then. Both people who strongly believe and people who don't believe in something like God, or aliens, or whatever, they see the same thing, but they either see it at a "glass is half-full, grass is half-empty" perspective.

bollocks. given the nature and laws of our universe, magic & alien life needs more evidence then some paintings to convince you. or at least it should. the difference between science and religion/belief in aliens is faith. an untestable doctrine.

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Originally posted by Cal So when you come in a UFO thread and start your pimply fourteen year-old stuck up "prove it" attitude, it pisses me off.

dont care. it only pisses you off because you have your assumptions based on minor available data, which is a long fucking cry from a slam dunk.

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Originally posted by Cal I don't need to prove jack shit to you. You need to prove TO ME that every single recorded instance of UFO sightings out there has nothing to do with existance of sentient life outside of Earth. You need to prove TO ME that it's impossible for intelligent life to develop ahead of the human race, and then come here for whatever purpose.

more bullshit. youre arguing ETs exist. im not saying they dont. im saying that you need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. which you cant.

its simply unscientific and illogical to have such a strong faith in something this fantastic without an equally fantastic amount of evidence. blurry photos and paintings just arent enough for me boy.

see you at loch ness.

In 1500s, Leonardo Va Vinci drew amazing diagrams and designs of advanced technology using his medieval mind ... helicopters, airplanes, and other technology - the first helicopter - Sikorskiy helicopter - was based/inspired by these designs.

Where do you think Leonardo Da Vinci got his ideas from? Do you think his ideas are just luck and coincidence - would it actually make more sense to conclude that his designs were based on something that he saw during his life, just like the painting from the era purport to show?

You just admitted that some of those pictures resemble some kind of alien or advanced technology unavailable at the time. Where do you think these ideas came from? Thats one heck of imagination these people had, I'd say.

yep, and the mona lisa was an extra terrestial too.

Oh whats the point. I may not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that aliens exist, but you are not able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they do NOT exist. Difference between us is, unlike you, I don't come across as a condesending douchebag when I present my opinion.


PS - by the way, if you read some of the notes next to the photos on that UFO art webpage you'll find your precious documentation.

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Domino or "cigar shaped" craft also appear in ancient art ~ Notabilia Temporum by Angelo de Tummulillis (left) describes a "flaming girder" sighted in February 1465 the sky during the reign of Enrico IV ~ a similar renaissance illustration (right) of a UFO sighting in that occurred in Rome detailed in the book "Prodigiorum Liber" by Roman historian Julio Obsequens. The caption translates: "Something like a sort of weapon, or missile, rose with a great noise from the earth and soared into the sky."

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"The globes, crosses and tubes began to fight one another, and this went on for an hour. Then they all fell to earth, as if on fire, and faded slowly away producing a lot of steam. Afterwards a black spear-like object was seen, and the whole event was taken to be a divine warning."

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The objects were described as being "two glowing wheels"

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These images from the 12th century manuscript "Annales Laurissenses" (Latin for "volumes" or "books" about "historical and religious" events) depicts the Saxon siege of Sigiburg Castle, France, in the year 776. The Crusaders had the medieval French completely surrounded when the "flaming shields" suddenly appeared in the sky; (the manuscript reports this as being over a church). Assuming the French were being protected, the Saxons fled in fear from the UFOs.

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The above image comes from the 10th Century Tibetan translation of the Sanskrit text "Prajnaparamita Sutra", held at a Japanese museum. In the enlargement you can see two objects that look like hats, but why are they floating in mid air? Also one of them appears to have port holes on it. Indian Vedic texts are full of descriptions of Vimanas. The Ramayana describes Vimanas as a double decked, circular or cylindrical aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with "the speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound."

Check this Alien Architecture. The Soviets built it but how they had no money and the Russians are stupid people too.









This is Alien

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Check this Alien Architecture. The Soviets built it but how they had no money and the Russians are stupid people too. This is Alien

Even though its funny this wont advance your point man, dont bring the COR antics here, i dont think this thread has degenerated to that yet

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