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Originally posted by Floorwhore I'm actually interested to hear some other peoples view's before putting this baby to rest. And no, i'm not looking for a fight Just a response.

Fair enough, I'm going to take my own advice and start censoring this info from myself because I'm tired of this thread.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker (When I contributed to this thread I didn't talk about specific people/events/organizations. I kept the discussion broad because I don't think singling people out is the best way to have an open, mature discussion. I am going to stick to my guns are not get specific or personal.)

This in no way was a personal attack RJ, like I said I enjoy 2HP and what you bring to the TA community when it comes to this media. I was simply comparing two very similar situations, and yours happened to be quite similar to the points you had made for not following proper message board etiquite.

Though I do agree with you that parties/events are obviously different than radio shows, i do feel that with the two situations (in regards to the threads they are both mentioned in) DO follow the same practice.

This is obviously just something that we'll both have to agree to disagree on, and I hope that you do not feel I was trying to attack you or your personal business. You're a stand up guy in my books, and I was simply comparing the two situations.

In restrospect, yes - I should have just used 'radio shows' in general, and not strictly yours. For that I apologize.

you guys remind me of politicians.

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Originally posted by jon jon Don't get hungup on my personal tirade on non-club venues, that rant is a bit more confusing and has more to do with some DJ's thinking they're Danny T...

I'm interested to hear what you consider the actions for one to take in order to portray themselves as a dj of Danny T's status.....

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Originally posted by Floorwhore This in no way was a personal attack RJ

I didn't take it as such, no worries.

What I meant by that preface is that my preferred approach is to discuss/present broad concepts, ideas and theories as they tend to pass the "blotter-test" better than specific scenarios with lots of "what if..." and "yeah, but..." retorts.

Broad concepts, ideas and theories are easier to apply (in conjunction with common sense) than lists of specific situational rules, etc.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker (When I contributed to this thread I didn't talk about specific people/events/organizations. I kept the discussion broad because I don't think singling people out is the best way to have an open, mature discussion. I am going to stick to my guns are not get specific or personal.) I don't believe the same concerns apply to non-event related threads because non-event threads are VERY different and serve VERY different purposes. Events have special considerations that need to be known and understood (Financial, Number of Threads, Operational) and these considerations are why people have concern about event/roll-call threads and their proper use, who posts them, who bumps them, who influences them, etc. 1) Financial Considerations - Event promoters/organizers are compensated for the events they organize/promote [compensation can be in the form of money/drinks/other benefits, etc]. - Events are affiliated with businesses (venues, production companies, etc). - All events make money (revenue positive) for either the promoter, booker, venue, talent, bar, etc. Non-event threads do not have financial considerations attached to them. 2) Number of Thread Considerations - Events have 1 event thread and 1 roll call for every single event. - Both of these threads are used throughout the week (usually every day leading up to the event date and sometimes even afterwords). - Often promoters have multiple events per week which means multiple event threads and multiple roll calls posted. Non-event threads are generally contained to one single thread that is generally used only when necessary or relevant. 3) Operational Considerations - Events are live musical performances, held at some sort of venue with some sort of marketing effort associated with them. Non-event threads do not serve the purpose to market a venue or live performance. ----- I don't want to get deeper into this (and more importantly I don't want to get into individual specifics). The above considerations clearly differentiate how event threads and non-event threads are different.

Interesting and well said. I knew there was going to be a response I was looking forward to reading.

Glad you responded

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Originally posted by Floorwhore I'm interested to hear what you consider the actions for one to take in order to portray themselves as a dj of Danny T's status.....

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Originally posted by jon jon The constant DJ jargon of helping to sponsor one�s �gig� or advice on which �bomb� or �gem� to drop next has gone far past exasperating. The continuous roll call hi-jacking, the non-stop �review back scratching� in order to get a future �performance�, the free guestlist passes, the live-set recordings, the location endorsement, the promotional shots, the bumping of a thread with a post bereft of any meaning, the ass kissing, the flyer artwork, the unremitting �stellar� weekly club events held in non-club locations, will the pestering ever stop?

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Originally posted by jon jon

What's the general consensus on house parties? Has that been decided?

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Originally posted by shanny People need to remember how to censor things themselves, they aren't robots who have to open every thread just so they can bitch about it.

+1 Josh. I whole-heartedly agree. Wish more saw it this way.

I just think it's kinda weird, how 2HP radio thread is allowed to stay, but everyone else who starts a radio thread - it gets locked.

Maybe someone can explain to me why this allowed?

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Originally posted by Skipper What's the general consensus on house parties? Has that been decided?

Personally, and 1/2 the board will prolly disagree or jump on me for it, but I say who cares.

You're throwing a party, as long as its open invitiation to all TAs (as your posting it publically, right!), then good. All the power to you.

I dont find them annoying, and I def prolly woudlnt know about them otherwise, so I personally dont have a problem. and these look to be such a blast usually, amazing times had by all, im glad there listed so i have a chance to go should i be so inclinded or capable.

But im not overly fussy on posting matters in TA.

House parties, cottage party massives, poker nights... if you wanna include or invite the TA population, ^5 to you and I see no issue.

Jeff, the 2HP point is a totally valid one. There used to be a new thread each week which RJ started. I believe mods asked him to have only one thread and only bump it once a week on Fridays. I know that he sometimes does more than that because he is excited about a song that he is listening to.

But to compare the 2HP thread and all the event Roll calls you would have to have one thread where you bump it once every day you have a gig and that's it. Then you can compare the two things.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope I just think it's kinda weird, how 2HP radio thread is allowed to stay, but everyone else who starts a radio thread - it gets locked. Maybe someone can explain to me why this allowed?

before you say anything you should do a bit more research. lol.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess before you say anything you should do a bit more research. lol.

bah. i'm re-reading this thread again. later.

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Originally posted by The Wiz I actually havent found this thread to be negative at all. Yes people are bitching, but they are also trying to find solutions to some concerns. In fact, im surprised it didnt get alot messier.

I agree. I think this thread is serving it's purpose: being a forum of discussion on how to deal with problems that people think are becoming an issue. Save for a few harsh one liners, I don't really this thread too negative at all.

I don't think this is an issue of people telling Del how to moderate his board, I think it's more of a discussion of the current state of the forum, and maybe even steps that could be taken to make the forum reading experience a bit better.

I agree that revenue positive event threads are different from threads that do not have any financial consideration attached to them. I think that they should be treated differently and are not really comparable.

ive all but given up trying to tell anyone here about my show which i will restate I DONT MAKE ANY MONEY OR PROMOTION FROM.

Its become painfully obvious that TOTA doesnt support its own when it comes to music or music related events. Whether a TOTA is making money or not the point is that everyone should support each other. But instead all i see is "inb4dalock".. "spam" and now this thread. Unless it's a certain small clique, forget about it!

FFS people! Why can i go and talk about my radio show on other boards ive never ever been to but on the board i actually post on people have a problem with it?

Its not like im trying to sell viagara or travel packages! ITS A MUSIC BOARD! Or at least i thought it was.

Look at this point i dont care about promoting the show here anymore and thats not the point of this post. The point is that you guys need to take a hard look at what you call a "community" because from where i sit right now this looks more like a bunch of people who post on the same board as opposed to a community.

whoa, did i miss something?

I didnt think it was that bad... i dunno. i havent been on much though....

however supporting local stuff SHOULD BE A GOOD THING...just dont spam the crap out of the forums with it.

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Originally posted by The Highroller I think it's more of a discussion of the current state of the forum, and maybe even steps that could be taken to make the forum reading experience a bit better.

Absolutely, but not also making the reading experience better but also an attempt to uphold the integrity of the board.

Graham, you could speak on my behalf anytime, you're very articulate.

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Originally posted by shanny People need to remember how to censor things themselves, they aren't robots who have to open every thread just so they can bitch about it.

Obviously Josh, but ideally wouldn't you rather have a msgboard where people enjoy the content rather than excelling at ignoring peoples comments.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 this looks more like a bunch of people who post on the same board as opposed to a community.

I disagree completely

I have a feeling the lockdown is coming soon on this behemoth of a thread, and I just wanted to say thanks for all the progressive comments/ discussions/ opinions. It�s help to shed some light on this topic for me and maybe it might make a difference in people's posts.

its made a difference...

now i know why trying to offer some entertainment to people for FREE is seen as the devil.

Thanks for the insight

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Originally posted by Jayx1 its made a difference... now i know why trying to offer some entertainment to people for FREE is seen as the devil. Thanks for the insight

Oh come off it Jay.

Here's a cookie. Feel better now?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 now i know why trying to offer some entertainment to people for FREE is seen as the devil.

it truly is the devil from the attitude alot of people on here have

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