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Posted by PETRAN on Feb-06-2007 21:28:

quote:

Originally posted by UWM
You obviously aren't listening to much music at all, are you?



Maybe...perhaps you should teach me...


Posted by UWM on Feb-06-2007 21:35:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Maybe...perhaps you should teach me...


I can't tell you what to like or what is and isn't of substance. That's for you to decide. I guess if you really feel like that's the case then I'm going to have to respect that, however I have no problem finding plenty of innovative, soulful, funky, music with loads of substance.


Posted by PETRAN on Feb-06-2007 21:44:

quote:

Originally posted by paulandrews
Check out Cobblestone Jazz - India In Me or the new Minilogue release Elephant�s Parade/Birdsong. Then come back and tell me if these aren�t at least a bit innovative (and great tracks as well).



The first one was pretty bad. Ok what is so innovative about this thing? You call this quality EDM? With a bassline, a metallic drum and few gated samples fading-in and out? Being there doooneeee that...As for minilogue, to tell you the truth i haven't listened to the one you mention. But minilogue are good at doing pretty average boring pseudo-electroy-trendy EDM."Flavour-of-the-month" as they say. So, i don't have high expecations. But seriously if you call this quality...then OMG, just that.


Posted by Clovis on Feb-06-2007 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
The first one was pretty bad. Ok what is so innovative about this thing? You call this quality EDM? With a bassline, a metallic drum and few gated samples fading-in and out? Being there doooneeee that...As for minilogue, to tell you the truth i haven't listened to the one you mention. But minilogue are good at doing pretty average boring pseudo-electroy-trendy EDM."Flavour-of-the-month" as they say. So, i don't have high expecations. But seriously if you call this quality...then OMG, just that.



If I knew you had really shit taste I would have left this conversation a while ago. Minilogue make flavour-of-the-month electro-trendy edm? Fuck


Posted by GoSpeedGo! on Feb-06-2007 22:01:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
The first one was pretty bad. Ok what is so innovative about this thing? You call this quality EDM? With a bassline, a metallic drum and few gated samples fading-in and out? Being there doooneeee that...


Well, to me, it sounds like a great mixture of some sort of improvisation and careful production work on the track. Quite different from the stuff that gets released everyday.


Posted by PETRAN on Feb-06-2007 22:28:

quote:

Originally posted by Clovis
If I knew you had really shit taste I would have left this conversation a while ago. Minilogue make flavour-of-the-month electro-trendy edm? Fuck




YES they damn do!!!They will be forgotten in a month time...even by those who buy their records.Ofcourse you like them because you support this type of music, you buy digital downloads or whatever. But that doesn't change the fact that 18 out of 20 releases are shit! What can we do?Its just bad. You may "push" yourself to like this hyped crap but it has low quality. Its not my fault.


Is minilogue the cutting edge of now?


http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF237988-01-02-01.mp3

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF239302-01-01-01.mp3


These are just two trance tunes from '92...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fufhrmiGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLY...related&search=


Wow...look at that, they seem to have a 15 year difference but these tunes from '92 sound more pioneering then the bloody minilogue and the other masterbating india thing that the other guy suggested!This says something about how EDM progressed...just look at Johny Digweeds new transitions and Johny Digweeds "GU: Hong Kong" or any 90s GU compilation for another example...i can really find you thousands...and this bloody pseudo-minimal electroy thing won't save the day. It will just make it worse
...15 years mate...15 years.


Posted by Allied Nations on Feb-06-2007 22:40:

Minilogue have been making some good music for a while and I believe they will continue to evolve and make interesting tunes.

I could be wrong, but I dunno- I've been following them for a while and while they have had their misses, for the most part what they put out is quality imho.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Minilogue


Posted by Clovis on Feb-06-2007 22:41:

Yeah alright dude, maybe you should take a break from the internet, it appears to have wound you up pretty tight.


Posted by PETRAN on Feb-06-2007 22:48:

quote:

Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah alright dude, maybe you should take a break from the internet, it appears to have wound you up pretty tight.




Of course, ROFL, after having nothing to say we just start personal insults...cool...quality of music and quality of people playing it...


Posted by Clovis on Feb-06-2007 22:51:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Of course, ROFL, after having nothing to say we just start personal insults...cool...quality of music and quality of people playing it...



Like I said before, if you cant find good records, its really not my problem. Continue to assert that all EDM is in this horrible downward spiral of doom. I will keep hunting for music I like.


Posted by HaeD on Feb-06-2007 23:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Siesta
First of all Electro House sucks big time, uninspired simple bleep house.

House like Jaimie Lewis, Copyright and Grant Nelson, that is real house.


no


Posted by distant on Feb-07-2007 00:01:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, thats what i'm trying to tell. That all EDM is affected. All is declined. The whole of EDM misses ideas.


Hi. Have you heard of dubstep? It combines dub, reggae, electro, techno, drum'n'bass, tribal, industrial, ragga, UK garage, hip-hop, breaks, minimalism, experimentalism and ethnic influences all in one genre. So I'd think twice about that statement.

2006 was the year that it really kicked off, with the Breezeblock special in January. 2007 looks even better, with albums from Plastician, Skream and DJ Distance coming in the first quarter.

It's quite sad that TA seems completely oblivious to its existence. Most people here live in a trance/house bubble. I haven't seen much urban music being discussed at all. Your loss.


Posted by HaeD on Feb-07-2007 00:06:

my sister think crazy frog is the shit


Posted by LittleGoku on Feb-07-2007 00:20:

thought I'll throw my 2 cents in here. Innovative?

Sultan---------- progressive--->Now = Electro/House
Shiloh--->------ progressive--->Now = Electro
Kosmas Epsilon-- progressive--->Now = Electro
Ferry Corsten--> Trance------->Now = Trash
Tonedepth---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Sasha---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Digweed---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Dousk---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Gpal----> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Bill Hamel---> Progressive--->Now =leaning to more commercial House
Damien Heck---> Progressive--->Now =leaning to more commercial House
Luke Chable---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Steve Porter---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Jaytech----> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Baunder---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Ozgur Can------->Progressive--->Now = Electro
Anthony Pappa--->Progressive--->Now = Electro
Vsag------------>Progressive--->Now = Shifting to Electro (IMO)
Flash Brothers-->Progressive--->Now = Electro
Nathan Fake---->Progressive---->Now = Noise
James Holden--->Progressive---->Now = Noise
Pig and Dan---->Progressive---->Now = Electro
Jerry Bonham--->Progressive---->Now = Electro



Much respect to Quivver, Habersham,PMT, Way Out West,and Hybrid. They are the true innovators of EDM in my opinion. They have always maintained that distinct yet perennial quality sound for years.

*Puts flame suit on*


Posted by Clovis on Feb-07-2007 00:24:

Sasha & Digweed dont play much electro at all anymore, unless you're still listening to sets from 2005. Dousk, Baunder, and Derek Howell are all still making beautiful progressive house records.


Plus that list only represents about 2% of all artists making this kind of music right now...so yeah, no.


Posted by bas on Feb-07-2007 00:26:

Flash Brothers produce electro? Someone might want to tell them that.


Posted by LittleGoku on Feb-07-2007 00:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Sasha & Digweed dont play much electro at all anymore, unless you're still listening to sets from 2005. Dousk, Baunder, and Derek Howell are all still making beautiful progressive house records.


Plus that list only represents about 2% of all artists making this kind of music right now...so yeah, no.


Might want to check when those records were produced from Baunder. Everything you have from baunder that is dreamy melodic is old. Him and Mos are producing hard grinding electro house my friend.

Listen to Baunder- My Roots, Logiztik Sounds- Dark Forest (Baunder Remix), Nick Hogendoorn & Eelke Kleign - Dusk (Baunder Remix), Matt Rowan- Dish it Out (Baunder Remix), Matt Black- Epiphany (Baunder Remix), Baunder- Popzone--New

Damien Heck - Deep Reveal & Alicante (Baunder Remix), Cetu Javu -Situations (Baunder Remix), Kaan Duzarat- Organic Intellectual (Baunder Remix), Baunder- Vila, Baunder- Replica, -- Old


Derek Howell is down the same road with the exception of his remix of Michael Jackson- Remember the Time. But check out his remix of Garbage- Androgyny, and Let us Stay Restless, and cram it up.
As far as Dousk, Listen to his newer stuff and compare to older stuff:
Liberto - No Idea (Dousk remix) and Dousk- Biz 1982, Acrobatics 2k6
vs.
Dousk- Florence or Dousk- Nalipat, Dousk-Robot (Older), Dousk's album in 2005


Posted by Clovis on Feb-07-2007 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by LittleGoku
Might want to check when those records were produced from Baunder. Everything you have from baunder that is dreamy melodic is old. Him and Mos are producing hard grinding electro my friend.

Listen to Baunder- My Roots, Logiztik Sounds- Dark Forest (Baunder Remix)

Derek Howell is down the same road with the exception of his remix of Michael Jackson- Remember the Time and his remix of Garbage- Androgyny, and Let us Stay Restless.

As far as Dousk, Listen to his newer stuff and compare to older stuff

liberto - no idea (dousk remix) and Dousk- Biz 1982
vs.
Dousk- Florence or Dousk- Nalipat (Older)



Derek Howell - Come Again
Dousk - Caribou
Eelke Kleijn, Nick Hogendoorn - Dusk (Baunder Remix)


Posted by LittleGoku on Feb-07-2007 00:42:

Derek Howell- Come again was produced 2+ years ago....I edited my previous post with examples. That Baunder Remix is a digustingly different approach to his older sound. Go listen to those recommended tracks for comparison.


Posted by Clovis on Feb-07-2007 01:02:

quote:
Originally posted by LittleGoku
Derek Howell- Come again was produced 2+ years ago....I edited my previous post with examples. That Baunder Remix is a digustingly different approach to his older sound. Go listen to those recommended tracks for comparison.



Look we're not going to get anywhere here if you still insist that all the music coming out right now is electro, and thus non-innovative, which I guess was your initial point.

Yeah alot of artists have jumped on the buzzy sound (because electro is not a good term), but I have found that most of the smart ones have already moved on and are working different angles.


Posted by Nayil on Feb-07-2007 01:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Look we're not going to get anywhere here if you still insist that all the music coming out right now is electro, and thus non-innovative, which I guess was your initial point.




the artists hes mentioned have seriously gone to electro. The style imo is rubbish. But yea, hopefully these guys do something about it.


Posted by PETRAN on Feb-07-2007 02:09:

quote:

Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah alot of artists have jumped on the buzzy sound (because electro is not a good term), but I have found that most of the smart ones have already moved on and are working different angles.





Which are?


Posted by Az on Feb-07-2007 02:14:

quote:
Originally posted by LittleGoku
thought I'll throw my 2 cents in here. Innovative?

Sultan---------- progressive--->Now = Electro/House
Derek Howell---> progressive--->Now = Electro
Shiloh--->------ progressive--->Now = Electro
Kosmas Epsilon-- progressive--->Now = Electro
Ferry Corsten--> Trance------->Now = Trash
Tonedepth---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Sasha---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Digweed---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Dousk---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Gpal----> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Bill Hamel---> Progressive--->Now =leaning to more commercial House
Damien Heck---> Progressive--->Now =leaning to more commercial House
Luke Chable---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Steve Porter---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Jaytech----> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Baunder---> Progressive--->Now = Electro
Ozgur Can------->Progressive--->Now = Electro
Anthony Pappa--->Progressive--->Now = Electro
Vsag------------>Progressive--->Now = Shifting to Electro (IMO)
Flash Brothers-->Progressive--->Now = Electro
Nathan Fake---->Progressive---->Now = Noise
James Holden--->Progressive---->Now = Noise
Pig and Dan---->Progressive---->Now = Electro
Jerry Bonham--->Progressive---->Now = Electro



Much respect to Quivver, Habersham,PMT, Way Out West,and Hybrid. They are the true innovators of EDM in my opinion. They have always maintained that distinct yet perennial quality sound for years.

*Puts flame suit on*


none of the people you've mentioned as going "electro" actually produce or play anything near "electro"


Posted by julien2 on Feb-07-2007 02:47:

quote:
Yeah...you wouldn't say that for "neo-trance" though...


you obviously did not get it...

and second...NEO-TRANCE RULES

E, S, and PLUR FOR EVERYONE !


Posted by Nayil on Feb-07-2007 03:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
none of the people you've mentioned as going "electro" actually produce or play anything near "electro"




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