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Originally posted by Dopey It is all about air power, the US can park three carriers at the front door and throw eggs at their windows till the cows come home. .

This Nation (US) is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it. [insert Darth Vader Theme Music]

It will be a sad day for the world if both countries don't stop this Cock of The Walk B.S.

Iran needs to take its own country back from the Islamic cleric and the US just needs to stay out of the region.


Let them people work it out themselves. They obviously know how to work things there. (No women rights, anti-gay, no high speed internet, honor killings and a police force that enforce a book of rules that was written in the Dark Ages)
The US should just bow out and stand back and watch. Once this Nation gets off of that Region's Oil Filled Tits, then I am sure there will be no excuse for you people to hate on the US and its Terroristic Diplomacy.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer If they do then you can kiss your motherland Israel goodbye.

wishfull thinking there,

Isreal may be invaded, but the invading muslim soldiers will not have a home or family to return to. is that what you want??

Do you really honestly believe that if even all of the Arab Countries Banded together and the US stayed out of it, that it would be a cake walk??

Also if the US was so focking evil why DO WE use rules to fight the insurgents?? Why not cut off a few heads on video tape while screaming GOD IS GREAT like your precious little isurgents are doing?

If the US was as evil as you beleive, then there would be no disscusion about this, cause it would of already been over.

I am not trying to start a mud slinging war with you Hardcore. You know damn well though, that if the US would use all of its weapons, technology with out a moral ground, unlike your precious little isurgents; who hide in mosques, use human shields, have the kidnapped the religion of Islam, kill people just because they believe a different sect all in the name of God!
you can not be that Naive can you? Do you think you would be in a better place, if you were goverened by the likes of the insurgents or Iran itself??

Answer that for me, if not then every single one of you aurguments here on this forum are baseless and you need to seek help.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Uh... >>Source<< Just how was this, 'debunked' again? I must have missed something [EDIT] >Here's another link< on Ahmedinejad's 'misunderstanding'...

What have you been smoking? Your selective memory fails you once again. All of that's been addressed already, on a number of occasions. But you can hold on to that delusional propaganda, whatever floats your boat man.

The Chamberlain gag-reflex is unpalatable; how do you guys do it?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Are you blind?or too much crack again?do you not see whats happening in Iraq?let me guess you think Americans are wining this war in Iraq dont you? as a superpower they are def losing this war big time,and you think they can defeat Iran with a bunch of high tech bombs?ffs they cant even kill a bunch of insurgents in Iraq. lol If they do then you can kiss your motherland Israel goodbye.

I'm not talking about the US invading Iran, just destroying every suspected nuke site. The objective in Iraq was to overthrow Saddam, the objective in Iran will be to prevent the crazies from acquiring the bomb. There's no winning or losing, just lots of bombing.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer If they do then you can kiss your motherland Israel goodbye.

And who is going to get rid of Israel? Believe me, if whoever you are talking about could have, they already would have.

And why did nobody give a shit in 1981? Israel was around in '82 wasn't it?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Uh... >>Source<< Just how was this, 'debunked' again? I must have missed something [EDIT] >Here's another link< on Ahmedinejad's 'misunderstanding'...

People's rights to free speech are restricted (yes, that makes people very happy!!!) I feel very secure will all these laws against freedom of speech, what speech restricting laws will they pass next? Prison sentence / fine making fun of religion? I'd be pissed off living in a country which tells me what I can and what I cannot say.

"Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries: Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947), Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law), the Czech Republic under section 261, France (Loi Gayssot), Germany (� 130 (3) of the penal code) also the Auschwitzl�ge law section 185, Lithuania, The Netherlands under articles 137c and 137e, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code). In addition, under Law 5710-1950 it is also illegal in Israel. Italy enacted a law against racial and sexual discrimination on January 25, 2007. [2] Even if it is commonly referred as the "Holocaust law" in the public debate, it does not actually contain direct references to the Holocaust and does not explicitly address its denial.

Penalties for violation of Holocaust Denial Laws[58]
Country - Minimum - Maximum :
Austria 6 months 10-20 years
Belgium Fine 1 year
Czech Republic 6 months 2 years
France Fine or 1 month 2 years
Germany Fine or 6 months 5 years
Israel 1 year 5 years
Italy (law against racial discrimination) 3 years 4 years
Lithuania Fine or 2 years 10 years
Poland Fine or 3 months 3 years
Romania 6 months 3-5 years
Slovakia Fine or 1 month 3 years
Switzerland Fine or 1 year 15 months. "

As for Ahmadinejad article, well, lemme see:

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President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran said that Germans should no longer allow themselves to be held prisoner by a sense of guilt over the Holocaust and reiterated doubts that the Holocaust ever happened.

I agree. Why should ordinary Germans be held hostage to the day for the crimes they themselves didnt do? Most of the criminals are dead by now. They shouldn't feel guilty, they lost families, land (East Prussia), pride, war. They paid out the damages, apologized and are living civilized today.

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"I believe the German people are prisoners of the Holocaust. More than 60 million were killed in World War II. . . . The question is: Why is it that only Jews are at the center of attention?" he said in the interview published Sunday.

Yeah, why are Jews at the center of attention in WW2? How come even though Soviet Union lost 28+ million people, when I do a poll on people's knowledge of that, most people would only know how many Jews died. Couple of my friends actually told me that according to the knowledge accumulated they thought that Jews made up HALF of all WW2 deaths. WHOA, whoa ...

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"We say if the Holocaust happened, then the Europeans must accept the consequences and the price should not be paid by Palestine.

Man oh man, this Iranian leader is pretty good. I mean, I feel it for the Jewish people and their suffering, and I am NOT anti-semitic, but I cannot disagree with above quote, eespecially looking at the grim situation of Palestinians right now, hostages and victims of Israel.


And as for his denial or "doubt" about Holocaust, that's Ahmadinejad's opinion, and quite frankly, I dont think he should go to prison just for that - though I do think that his education and IQ levels are slightly low for a leader of a country (comparable to Bush's IQ I suppose). But then again - I am very sure he knows that Holocaust happened, he's probably saying his "doubts" to piss Jews off and play along to his Arabic supporters and semitics around the world.

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Originally posted by Dopey I'm not talking about the US invading Iran, just destroying every suspected nuke site.

Why not destroy every suspect nuke site in Israel as well?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, why are Jews at the center of attention in WW2? How come even though Soviet Union lost 28+ million people, when I do a poll on people's knowledge of that, most people would only know how many Jews died. Couple of my friends actually told me that according to the knowledge accumulated they thought that Jews made up HALF of all WW2 deaths. WHOA, whoa ...

Yeah, no one ever explains that bit. Apparently 'goyim' deaths don't count. That's the power of guilt man. A guilt ridden population is very easy to silence, confuse, and manipulate. Ofcourse similiar attrocities and crimes against humanity that are talking place now go virtually ignored or unacknowledged. But these specific victims are sand****** goyim, so it's all good.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, no one ever explains that bit. Apparently 'goyim' deaths don't count. That's the power of guilt man. A guilt ridden population is very easy to silence, confuse, and manipulate. Ofcourse similiar attrocities and crimes against humanity that are talking place now go virtually ignored or unacknowledged. But these specific victims are sand****** goyim, so it's all good.

Oh yeah, definitely!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Man oh man, this Iranian leader is pretty good. I mean, I feel it for the Jewish people and their suffering, and I am NOT anti-semitic, but I cannot disagree with above quote, eespecially looking at the grim situation of Palestinians right now, hostages and victims of Israel.

See, this is what I don't understand; giving credence to the fact that 'somehow' the holocaust is related, or on par with, the Palestinians current situation.
They're not even close in the remotest sense other than the holocaust 'mostly' refers to the Jews and 'mostly' Jews live in Israel.
That's it.
At what point did our brains become lulled to sleep in making up this faux Holocaust = Palestinian equation?
Honestly, lets be at least intelligent about this...

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And as for his denial or "doubt" about Holocaust, that's Ahmadinejad's opinion, and quite frankly, I dont think he should go to prison just for that - though I do think that his education and IQ levels are slightly low for a leader of a country (comparable to Bush's IQ I suppose). But then again - I am very sure he knows that Holocaust happened, he's probably saying his "doubts" to piss Jews off and play along to his Arabic supporters and semitics around the world.[/COLOR]

Sad excuse and not a very good job on covering up for his rheotoric.
While I agree with the rest of you that Ahmadinejad isn't really the one in power, he's also the one that DEALS WITH THE REST OF US on that political level that countries need to do when it comes to real world issues.
Brushing him off as some puppet is akin to saying Bush doesn't hold any sway in their foreign policy; not that bright on idea either...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Why not destroy every suspect nuke site in Israel as well?

I'm completely against any country having nukes.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I agree. Why should ordinary Germans be held hostage to the day for the crimes they themselves didnt do? Most of the criminals are dead by now. They shouldn't feel guilty, they lost families, land (East Prussia), pride, war. They paid out the damages, apologized and are living civilized today. Yeah, why are Jews at the center of attention in WW2? How come even though Soviet Union lost 28+ million people, when I do a poll on people's knowledge of that, most people would only know how many Jews died. Couple of my friends actually told me that according to the knowledge accumulated they thought that Jews made up HALF of all WW2 deaths. WHOA, whoa ... Man oh man, this Iranian leader is pretty good. I mean, I feel it for the Jewish people and their suffering, and I am NOT anti-semitic, but I cannot disagree with above quote, eespecially looking at the grim situation of Palestinians right now, hostages and victims of Israel. And as for his denial or "doubt" about Holocaust, that's Ahmadinejad's opinion, and quite frankly, I dont think he should go to prison just for that - though I do think that his education and IQ levels are slightly low for a leader of a country (comparable to Bush's IQ I suppose). But then again - I am very sure he knows that Holocaust happened, he's probably saying his "doubts" to piss Jews off and play along to his Arabic supporters and semitics around the world.

how are Germans held hostage by the holocaust?

how do you compare the deaths of soviets (who belonged to a country at WAR with germany) to jews, who were citizens of Germany? theres a difference between the deaths of civilians in a war and genocide.

how are Palestinians hostages and victims of Israel? lol, maybe they do it themselves? don't you think? i have a hunch that if they stopped strapping bombs to themselves, things would be okay.

use common sense and stop trying to purposely have a different opinion than everyone else. it doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like a moron.

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Originally posted by LazFX wishfull thinking there, Isreal may be invaded, but the invading muslim soldiers will not have a home or family to return to. is that what you want?? Do you really honestly believe that if even all of the Arab Countries Banded together and the US stayed out of it, that it would be a cake walk?? Also if the US was so focking evil why DO WE use rules to fight the insurgents?? Why not cut off a few heads on video tape while screaming GOD IS GREAT like your precious little isurgents are doing? If the US was as evil as you beleive, then there would be no disscusion about this, cause it would of already been over. I am not trying to start a mud slinging war with you Hardcore. You know damn well though, that if the US would use all of its weapons, technology with out a moral ground, unlike your precious little isurgents; who hide in mosques, use human shields, have the kidnapped the religion of Islam, kill people just because they believe a different sect all in the name of God! you can not be that Naive can you? Do you think you would be in a better place, if you were goverened by the likes of the insurgents or Iran itself?? Answer that for me, if not then every single one of you aurguments here on this forum are baseless and you need to seek help.

it's all religion. theres no common sense involved when people take a book and say its the literal word of god, with no room for interpretation. they're living in the medieval age and holding back the rest of humanity from advancement.

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Originally posted by Haunted it's all religion. theres no common sense involved when people take a book and say its the literal word of god, with no room for interpretation. they're living in the medieval age and holding back the rest of humanity from advancement.

Do you know what i think? That it is stupid people-not nations-(especially when these "stupid" people hold crucual positions) that hold back humanity form advancement. Stupid people like a relligious leader (e.g. a muslim, a christian one...)or even the evangelists for example...

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Originally posted by Haunted how are Germans held hostage by the holocaust? how do you compare the deaths of soviets (who belonged to a country at WAR with germany) to jews, who were citizens of Germany? theres a difference between the deaths of civilians in a war and genocide. how are Palestinians hostages and victims of Israel? lol, maybe they do it themselves? don't you think? i have a hunch that if they stopped strapping bombs to themselves, things would be okay. use common sense and stop trying to purposely have a different opinion than everyone else. it doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like a moron.

Germany is held back politically - because there's fear that the rise of Germany will provoke another rise of a dictator. Economically Germany got over this - they paid out billions of dollars in reparations already. Socially, many Germans are still scarred by the fact that people around the world still talk how Germany committed the genocide. German people were scared after WW2, they were told by the world, in a massive campaign to show the brutalities of their countrymen, and many resented being blamed for Nazi crimes. Watch the Judgement at Nuremberg (1962) movie, buddy. The events in Germany after WW2 could have escalated into another resentment of Treaty Of Versailles if it wasnt for the new enemy communism against everyone had to unite to fight it.

Hahaha, I am not the only one who shares these views, there are millions of people around the world who are sick of the bullshit. I am not trying to look cool, I am simply trying to pry open your brainwashed minds. Palestinian people lived on their lands, then Israel came, forced them off the lands, and segregated / opressed them for decades to come. They're still dying in thousands today, many of them live for lord knows how many years in refugee camps. All because of Israel and displacement of over 700,000 of innocent people. Palestinian people will never achieve freedom, rights and equality by pretending to be happy and in peace. Did segregated and disciminated African Americans just sit there and were given rights? Freedom and rights must be fought for, they dont come to people on a silver plate, no wonder why your brainwashed mind has accepted such laws as Patriot Act.

And actually, most of Jews who perished in World War II, were not citizens of Nazi Germany.

US 'Iran attack plans' revealed

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US 'Iran attack plans' revealed USS John C Stennis is being deployed to the Persian Gulf US contingency plans for air strikes on Iran extend beyond nuclear sites and include most of the country's military infrastructure, the BBC has learned. It is understood that any such attack - if ordered - would target Iranian air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres. The US insists it is not planning to attack, and is trying to persuade Tehran to stop uranium enrichment. The UN has urged Iran to stop the programme or face economic sanctions. But diplomatic sources have told the BBC that as a fallback plan, senior officials at Central Command in Florida have already selected their target sets inside Iran. That list includes Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz. Facilities at Isfahan, Arak and Bushehr are also on the target list, the sources say. Two triggers BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says the trigger for such an attack reportedly includes any confirmation that Iran was developing a nuclear weapon - which it denies. The Natanz plant is buried under concrete, metal and earth Alternatively, our correspondent adds, a high-casualty attack on US forces in neighbouring Iraq could also trigger a bombing campaign if it were traced directly back to Tehran. Long range B2 stealth bombers would drop so-called "bunker-busting" bombs in an effort to penetrate the Natanz site, which is buried some 25m (27 yards) underground. The BBC's Tehran correspondent France Harrison says the news that there are now two possible triggers for an attack is a concern to Iranians. Authorities insist there is no cause for alarm but ordinary people are now becoming a little worried, she says. Deadline Earlier this month US officials said they had evidence Iran was providing weapons to Iraqi Shia militias. At the time, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the accusations were "excuses to prolong the stay" of US forces in Iraq. Middle East analysts have recently voiced their fears of catastrophic consequences for any such US attack on Iran. Britain's previous ambassador to Tehran, Sir Richard Dalton, told the BBC it would backfire badly by probably encouraging the Iranian government to develop a nuclear weapon in the long term. Last year Iran resumed uranium enrichment - a process that can make fuel for power stations or, if greatly enriched, material for a nuclear bomb. Tehran insists its programme is for civil use only, but Western countries suspect Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons. The UN Security Council has called on Iran to suspend its enrichment of uranium by 21 February. If it does not, and if the International Atomic Energy Agency confirms this, the resolution says that further economic sanctions will be considered.

US 'Iran attack plans' revealed

Here we go, now we see this news on mainstream sites. There is more and more smoke around US attack on Iran...

This is very sad news. But kind of expected.

So basically this article said nothing. How many times has an aircraft carrier been deployed to the Persian Gulf where no attacks followed? And of course targets have been selected in Iran. We had targets mapped out for decades in the USSR and Warsaw Pact states and no attack ever followed. If Iran would just be upfront and honest they would have nothing to fear.

So, we're upset because the US has attack/contingency plans? I'm not sure what the big deal is. It is one thing to attack and another to have plans to attack. Potential vs. reality are quite different, and I'm not sure why people are upset because of potential in this case. I wonder right now how many countries have attack plans against other countries...just in case.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono So, we're upset because the US has attack/contingency plans? I'm not sure what the big deal is. It is one thing to attack and another to have plans to attack. Potential vs. reality are quite different, and I'm not sure why people are upset because of potential in this case. I wonder right now how many countries have attack plans against other countries...just in case.

In the hopes of telling us, "I told you so"...

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I wonder right now how many countries have attack plans against other countries...just in case.

Exactly. I'm sure detailed plans have been drawn up for:

NK vs. SK with intervention by China and the USA

The entire Arab world vs. Israel and vice versa

India vs. Pakistan

China vs. Taiwan and the obvious retaliation by the US against China

Plus I'm sure the old plans of Russia vs. USA are still being kept up to date just in case

Its a typical post from star-traveler, text from a news article that really says nothing followed up by no comment or discussion

Star-traveller's thread has been merged into the thread formerly known as "Iran War = Inevitable".

Please, if you're talking about the same issue, try not to post other threads.

This appears to be a bit more than just contingency plans.

From the BBC report:

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BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says the trigger for such an attack reportedly includes any confirmation that Iran was developing a nuclear weapon - which it denies. Alternatively, our correspondent adds, a high-casualty attack on US forces in neighbouring Iraq could also trigger a bombing campaign if it were traced directly back to Tehran. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6376639.stm

You see, that's more than just a mere contingency, and we're all aware of this Administration's deliberate attempts to run up the rhetoric of Iranian's actions on killing American soldiers in Iraq. I don't find that as a mere fucking coincidence, do you?

Take this story from the Guardian, substitute "Iran" with the word "Iraq", and "Tehran" with the word "Baghdad":

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Neo-conservatives, particularly at the Washington-based American Enterprise Institute, are urging Mr Bush to open a new front against Iran. So too is the vice-president, Dick Cheney. The state department and the Pentagon are opposed, as are Democratic congressmen and the overwhelming majority of Republicans. The sources said Mr Bush had not yet made a decision. The Bush administration insists the military build-up is not offensive but aimed at containing Iran and forcing it to make diplomatic concessions. The aim is to persuade Tehran to curb its suspect nuclear weapons programme and abandon ambitions for regional expansion. http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2010086,00.html

If you do those quick substitutions, I think we all can smell the all too familiar odor. Remember who these neocons are and what they stand for:

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"I interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and he spoke about 'total war'. I mistakenly dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again in describing America's 'war on terror'. 'No stages,' he said. 'This is total war.' We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq...this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it intirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war... our children will sing great songs about us years from now." http://www.projectcensored.org/down...nance_Group.pdf p.5

They run our Executive branch, the branch that has grabbed as much power as it possibly can (unConstitutionally, I might add), and they continue to run off the cliff and are taking the rest of the country with them. I can't help but be a wee bit concerned with any supposed "contingency" plans like these.

I admit I haven't parsed through the entire thread, so has anyone posted this story by the New Statesman? It has a bit more information than the BBC:

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American military operations for a major conventional war with Iran could be implemented any day. http://www.newstatesman.com/200702190014

Here's one of many kickers:

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They extend far beyond targeting suspect WMD facilities and will enable President Bush to destroy Iran's military, political and economic infrastructure overnight using conventional weapons.

So any talk of those "contingency" plans of merely hitting nuke site targets need to be killed, if this report is true. This attack reaches much, much further than a few selected targets.

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British military sources told the New Statesman, on condition of anonymity, that "the US military switched its whole focus to Iran" as soon as Saddam Hussein was kicked out of Baghdad. It continued this strategy, even though it had American infantry bogged down in fighting the insurgency in Iraq.

Swell, ain't it? Oh, this gets even better:

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The US army, navy, air force and marines have all prepared battle plans and spent four years building bases and training for "Operation Iranian Freedom". Admiral Fallon, the new head of US Central Command, has inherited computerised plans under the name TIRANNT (Theatre Iran Near Term).

Four years planning. Ummm, anyone just a wee bit suspicious yet? Anyone want to guess why Admiral Fallon, a Navy guy who has no experience in ground forces, was chosen to lead the military over there? Anyone want to guess why ADMIRAL Fallon was kinda disinterested in the happenings in Baghdad during his confirmation hearing?:

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The admiral picked by President Bush to oversee his new strategy for Iraq testified yesterday that he does not know much about the plan that the administration says will determine whether the U.S. wins the war. "I have not gotten into the detail of these plans," Adm. William J. Fallon told the Senate Armed Services Committee, adding that he has been concentrating on his current job as head of the U.S. Pacific Command... The admiral, whose expertise centers on sea power and diplomacy in dealing with China, said he will leave the Iraq battle decisions to Army Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, who leaves for Baghdad this week as the top U.S. commander in Iraq. The admiral appeared before the panel for confirmation hearings on his appointment to lead the U.S. Central Command. "I do not know the details of how he plans to use" the new troops, Adm. Fallon said. "I'm sure he's going to have to consult with his generals on the ground once he gets into position and then figure it out." http://iraqnam.blogspot.com/2007/01...details-of.html

Additionally, let's also keep in mind who's coming over there to play. We've got the USS Stenis joining the USS Eisenhower in the Gulf:

http://iraqnam.blogspot.com/2007/02...in-gulf-as.html

We also have a strike group led by the assault ship, USS Bataan on the way:

http://iraqnam.blogspot.com/2007/02...in-gulf-as.html

And BTW, the USS Bataan is a new class of ships designed to accomplish amphibious landings. You tell me, why would we need such a ship for tactical missile strikes on nuke sites?

And that's not all who's coming to the party. Back to the New Statesman report:

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Two carriers in the region, the USS John C Stennis and the USS Dwight D Eisenhower, could quickly be joined by three more now at sea: USS Ronald Reagan, USS Harry S Truman and USS Theodore Roosevelt, as well as by USS Nimitz. Each carrier force includes hundreds of cruise missiles... Today, marines have the USS Boxer and USS Bataan carrier forces in the Gulf and probably also the USS Kearsarge and USS Bonhomme Richard. Three others, the USS Peleliu, USS Wasp and USS Iwo Jima, are ready to join them. Earlier this year, HQ staff to manage these forces were moved from Virginia to Bahrain.

So anyone still believing these are mere "contingency" plans? Sorry, but IF this report is true, it would appear our neocon traitors running our Administration have already put us into another war.

That's my Bush!

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 So anyone still believing these are mere "contingency" plans? Sorry, but IF this report is true, it would appear our neocon traitors running our Administration have already put us into another war. That's my Bush!

What a great post full of pointless rhetoric. Who cares what kind of plans they are. It would be irresponsible for the Bush administration to not have a variety of plans for military intervention in Iran going all the way from limited airstrikes to a full scale invasion. Lets say they only make plans to strike a few targets in Iran, and they only have one carrier battle group in the area. To retaliate for the airstrikes Iran then invades Iraq and attacks the US military there, plus Iranian agents begin committing terrorist attacks in the USA and Western Europe.

If the Bush administration did not have a plan drawn up to invade and remove the Iranian government already it would take weeks of planning to create one, and they would look like complete idiots for not doing their jobs properly. At a minimum many senior administration officials would be removed from their positions for gross imcompetence.

Again, I fail to see how this is news or even important. Just because there are attack plans does not mean they will be carried out. It makes complete logical sense that these plans would be drawn up well before they would be needed, if they would ever be needed.

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