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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Go suck your own dick or something.

how derogatory is that, really?

it's like saying, "Have a nice day."

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Originally posted by Q5echo how derogatory is that, really? it's like saying, "Have a nice day."

He wasn't exactly friendly or polite through out this whole thread.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd As far as I'm aware, anal penetration is actually something done only by a significant minority of homosexuals, like 10%. That is certainly not their main sexual activity

Do you talk with anybody in the outside world? Do you? B/c gays have a lot of anal sex. Stop reading so much from the internet and make some friends in the real world.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Please answer each question with a "YES", "NO", or "OTHER" and support each answer if you wish. Regardless, you MUST type in "YES", "NO", or "OTHER." Please answer EVERY question. Also, please don't argue semantics or relevance. If you do not understand the question in and of itself, please tell me. 1. Overall, do you support what Ron Paul did below? If you support some but not all of what he did, please explain WHY. 2. If Ron Paul were to do all of the above, but were to replace each word "gay" with "Muslim," would you support his decision? 3. Do you think that gay people are entitled to every equal right that you as a heterosexual Muslim have? 3a. Do you think gay people should have the right to get married? If not, do you think they are entitled to an alternative, but equal status (i.e. civil unions)? 3b. Do you think that gay people should be allowed to serve openly gay in the military. 3c. Do you think that on top of gender, creed, race, ethnicity (and others I'm forgetting), the gov't should add "sexual orientation" to the list of what NOT to discriminate against in the work place? 3d. If someone is physically attacked based solely on the fact that they are gay, do you consider it a hate crime? If not, do you consider any attack based on race/ethnity a hate crime? 3e. Do you think people should be denied the right to adopt based on their sexual orientation? 4. If I were to have my way and gay people would magically be granted all equal rights, would we be arguing in this thread? 5. (Open question, you don't have to answer yes-no-other here) Whose fault do you think it is that gay people don't have equal rights? Gay people (like me)? Republicans (like Ron Paul)? Or other?[/b]

Here you go, and hopefully you'll get off my case.

1. KushPaintings already explained his (i.e. Ron Paul's) traditional conservative views of limited goverment in the other thread earlier so that's not why Ron Paul took those stances.
   
2. It would be unconstitutional so he wouldn't do it in the first place. But let's break each case down.
   
3. a) Yes. b) Yes. c) Yes. d) Other. Yes it is done out of hate, but I don't consider it to be a "hate crime" since I don't believe we need BS "hate" legislation of any type, for any group. We already have laws dealing with violent crime. Those are more than enough. I already linked another thread earlier in this one about that topic. e) Yes. I don't consider a same sex household to be a fair or healthy enviorment for a child to grow up in. It's natural for a child to have a male (father) and female (mother) perspective.
   
4. I wasn't arguing in the first place, you were the one obsessing over my personal views on homosexuality which had nothing to do with the thread or my reasons for supporting Ron Paul.
   
5. Who's fault? I assume that would have to be others.
   

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Do you talk with anybody in the outside world? Do you? B/c gays have a lot of anal sex. Stop reading so much from the internet and make some friends in the real world.

This thread is really slowly unravelling into what appears to be a gay-bashing session, as well as a name-calling flame war. I doubt Lira or any other mod would approve of that kind of bigotry, so perhaps it would be best to either stick to the topic at hand with candidates and their issues a bit more.

And just to be clear, the sources I found regarding the propensity of anal sex in gay relationships is about 2/3 of the time:

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Perhaps as many as a third of gay men choose not to practise penetrative anal sex on a regular basis,1 and the traditional division of gay men into �active� and �passive� is not born out by experience�most gay men who do have anal sex will play either role. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...i?artid=1114912

I also tend to caution some individuals about their gay-bashing tendencies (some but not all folks here):

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A study that appears to reveal a major cause of homophobia was completed at the University of Georgia in 1996. 3 It involved 64 white men, none of whom had engaged in homosexual acts during their lifetime. Their sexual fantasies involved only women. 35 of them were rated homophobic; 29 non-homophobic. For the purpose of this study, "homophobia" was defined as a negative emotional reaction (e.g., fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort) to homosexuality. It was measured by a questionnaire called the Index of Homophobia. Each was shown three types of X rated videotapes: heterosexual, lesbian and gay. A plethysmograph measuring device (affectionately called a "peter meter") measured the circumference of their penis as a gauge of sexual arousal. The two groups exhibited similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie. But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip: I. Degree of Tumescence: a. Insignificant- Homophobic Men - 20% Non-homophobic Men - 66% b. Moderate- Homophobic Men - 26% Non-homophobic Men - 10% c. Definite- Homophobic Men - 54% Non-homophobic Men - 24% The researchers concluded that these data are consistent with the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. An alternate, but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment. Further research is needed to clarify the results and to answer questions such as whether these results would generalize to homophobic women. Source: Cox News Service, 1996-JUL-31 reviewing an article by Drs. Henry Adams, Lester Wright Jr. & Bethany Lohr "Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?", Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 105 (1996), P. 440-445

So perhaps a bit of self-reflection is needed before making any future homophobic remarks, folks?

Thanks Opus

ok can we stop this now please?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 This thread is really slowly unravelling into what appears to be a gay-bashing session, as well as a name-calling flame war. I doubt Lira or any other mod would approve of that kind of bigotry, so perhaps it would be best to either stick to the topic at hand with candidates and their issues a bit more.

Why always with the quotes? Let me guess you too are the one that pms the mods whenever you feel hurt?

Anyways studies don't prove anything.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 So perhaps a bit of self-reflection is needed before making any future homophobic remarks, folks?

Going by their efforts, I'd say the idea of 'thinking' ceased some time ago.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Why always with the quotes? Let me guess you too are the one that pms the mods whenever you feel hurt?

I PM a mod whenever I feel a thread or a post is out of line, yes.

Call me crazy, but I do like to try to keep a little bit of structure in this forum. Just a little.

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Anyways studies don't prove anything.

That makes sense.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z e) Yes. I don't consider a same sex household to be a fair or healthy enviorment for a child to grow up in. It's natural for a child to have a male (father) and female (mother) perspective.

bullshit. single parents should be barred some adopting kids then?

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Originally posted by Lilith Going by their efforts, I'd say the idea of 'thinking' ceased some time ago.

What is this 'thinking'?





MrS

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Originally posted by Sunsnail bullshit. single parents should be barred some adopting kids then?

Single moms/dads is far from an ideal situation too, which is another problem all together. It doesn't involve two parents of the same gender.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I PM a mod whenever I feel a thread or a post is out of line, yes. Call me crazy, but I do like to try to keep a little bit of structure in this forum. Just a little.

B/c you are a grumpy old fart?

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That makes sense.

It does. You think 70people represent 150million males or close to that number?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid B/c you are a grumpy old fart?

Would you expect anything less from me? .

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It does. You think 70people represent 150million males or close to that number?

Statistically speaking, if the Power of the study is high enough, then yes it's perfectly valid.

LOL, this part was hillarious:

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but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment.

" * boing * " Haha.

Thanks for answering almost every Q Mr. Z. Now to flame your homophobic ass further.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Here you go, and hopefully you'll get off my case. [list=1] [*]KushPaintings already explained his (i.e. Ron Paul's) traditional conservative views of limited goverment in the other thread earlier so that's not why Ron Paul took those stances.

I'm asking you to explain, not Kush. So answer it.

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[*]It would be unconstitutional so he wouldn't do it in the first place. But let's break each case down.

I gave you a theorhetical question. Please give me a theoretical answer, not a practical answer.

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e) Yes. I don't consider a same sex household to be a fair or healthy enviorment for a child to grow up in. It's natural for a child to have a male (father) and female (mother) perspective.

How unnatural is it? Is it as unnatural as growing up in a Muslim home where your parents are therefore terrorists? It's natural for a child to have a male and female perspective, but not a Muslim male and female perspective.

You have absolutely no evidence to back those claims other than your pure bias. And that is more reason to stay on your case until you concede.

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[*]I wasn't arguing in the first place, you were the one obsessing over my personal views on homosexuality which had nothing to do with the thread or my reasons for supporting Ron Paul.

No. You were the one avoiding the questions up until now. The only one to blame is yourself. And your homophobic views have everything to do with the points I made regarding Ron Paul, his stance on homosexual topics, and your inability to address my points.

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I don't really have an issue with anything other than adoption,

Have you considered moving back to the Middle East where your species belongs?

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and ofcourse being hit on, espeically when it's clear that I'm straight.

One thing is clear; if I ever meet you I'll hit on you and if you have a problem with it, you won't be able to do anything about it, homophobe.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Single moms/dads is far from an ideal situation too, which is another problem all together. It doesn't involve two parents of the same gender.

Yeah, it also doesn't involve two parents of the Muslim species.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Shut the fuck up already you obsessive little prick. Go suck your own dick or something.

Whoa whoa, let's not talk about sucking my dick in front of other people. They might find out that your a faggot.

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Originally posted by Shaolin_Z quote: Originally posted by LazFX oooooooooooooo BURN!!! Laz, you live in Austin. If I were you, I wouldn't test my patience.

An angry Muslim? How uncommon.

LOL, you're really flipping out Jake. Is it so hard for you to comprehend that someone can have different values than yours and not hate you? There's a word that's popping in my mind, hmmm, I don't know, like "tolerance" maybe? You seem to have none of it. Did I criticize you for being gay, ever? If you must know, I used to be on pretty good and friendly terms with Lilith, and the fact that I don't now had nothing to do with her sexual orientation. Does that make you feel any better?

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Originally posted by Q5echo Thanks Opus ok can we stop this now please?

Hey Jake, Q wants you to spank him Laz would be more than happy to be your bitch too, he'd even DJ in a bunny costume for you LOL. Sorry dude, I'm straight, but I'll hook you up with Laz .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, you're really flipping out Jake.

No, I'm making fun of you and at the same time making good points. Do you really think I'm foaming at the mouth? I'm more or less cracking up and you're my victim.

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Is it so hard for you to comprehend that someone can have different values than yours and not hate you?

Who said anything about anyone hating? You are entitled to your homophobic beliefs and entitled to talk about them here. Likewise, I am entitled to mock, flame, and laugh at your expense because of your beliefs.

I know you tolerate gay people. But I do not tolerate your beliefs. I can still tolerate you. In fact, I'd invite you to a gay bar and buy you a drink but you probably wouldn't go because you're a homophobe.

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Did I criticize you for being gay, ever?

No, good boy. And you know I only criticize you for being Muslim as a means of playing devil's advocate.

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If you must know, I used to be on pretty good and friendly terms with Lilith, and the fact that I don't now had nothing to do with her sexual orientation. Does that make you feel any better?

If it makes you feel any better, I have a shit load of Arab friends and they could care less about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the fact that I'm Jewish.

I don't give a shit if you have a million gay friends. It doesn't justify your covert homophobia and opinion that gays shouldn't be able to adopt. I mean common, what are gay guys really going to do, your nails?

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Originally posted by Capitalizt just a pic I thought I'd insert into this gay discussion...a friend of Jake's maybe?

hahahahah fudge packing. wait...I dun get it.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid A friend of Jake maybe?

All of your hot chicks are belong to me.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Where in the world did you come up with that? Don't forget the anemas and laxatives, meth, and coke. That's pretty common in "gay culture,"

HAHAHAH, you got that right. I hate gay culture probably more than you do.

But back to the topic: No on Ron Paul for president 2008. Isn't he trying to vote to keep gays from adopting now? What's the word on that, Spiflicated?

LOL, you're fucking crazy man.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson No I'm actually making fun of you and at the same time making good points. Do you really think I'm foaming at the mouth? I'm more or less cracking up and you're my victim.

You're kinda making fun of yourself by being a nuerotic jackass really. Unless you know how to snap someone tendons and paralyze theri arms permanently, rip out their collar bone, kick their knee caps back, smack their temple with the back of your knuckles, killing them in their process, you can't really victimize me in any real way. I'm not a violent person, but I'm not fond of assholes and bullies, and they usually get what's coming to them if they push my buttons. Fortunate for you, you don't know me in person and wouldn't have the balls to say half the shit you are now. You're a pussy who's been ridiculed and picked on by bullies in the school yard and now you've become what you hate. Vengence isn't pretty, it's baggage. Let go of it and grow as a person for a change.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Who said anything about anyone hating? You are entitled to your homophobic beliefs and entitled to talk about them here. Likewise, I am entitled to mock, flame, and laugh at your expense because of your beliefs.

My expense? LOL, whatever floats your boat. You're doing it at your own expense by displaying your lack of tolerance of someone else's opinion that effects you in no way whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson There's a word that's popping in my mind, hmmm, I don't know, like "faggot" maybe? You seem to be acting like one.

That would be you my friend, not me. I'm not the one bitching about someone else's values or opinion and insisting that they change them to appease me. Plus, you just have a lot of pent up anger about me exposing the nature of the degenerate murderous racist ideology of Zionism that is wiping out an entire people and their culture. Zioinst = Nazi, literally. Guess who largely funded Hitler and collaborated with the Nazi party to materialize their political ambitions? Zionist bankers like the Rockerfellars and Rothchilds who wanted to generate support for Zionism, for which none existed before WW2, by slaughtering Kazarian, Sephardic, and even Ashkenazi Jews, along with other political dissenters opposed to the Nazi party. It's sad and pathetic how you support the same assholes who slaughtered your people, amost many others. Don't forget Prescot Bush, he was a big Nazi supporter and funder too, along with several others on Wall Street who made big bucks off the misery and suffering of your ancestros. Hertzel is an anti-semitic bastard who's called non-integrated orthodox Jews in Europe of the time "barbarians" in this personal diaries and writtings which are pubclicly available now. It's not my fault you're a pathetic ignorant sheep who would never look up anything for yourself.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Yes I know you tolerate gay people. But I do not tolerate your beliefs. I can still tolerate you. In fact, I'd invite you to a gay bar and buy you a drink but you probably wouldn't go because you're a homophobe.

Ok, I don't really drink or do any drugs anymore. But thanks for the offer.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson No, good boy. And you know I only criticize you for being Muslim as a means of playing devil's advocate.

No, you're just frustrated because you can't argue for shit as you don't know jack and this is your lame attempt on attacking me personally.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson If it makes you feel any better, I have a shit load of Arab friends and they could care less about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the fact that I'm Jewish.

I don't care about the fact that you're Jewish or gay, I know plenty of Jews and gays who aren't assholes and are pretty nice people with a far superior intellect than yours and a sense of priciples and ethics which you severly lack.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I don't give a shit if you have a million gay friends. It doesn't justify your covert homophobia and opinion that gays shouldn't be able to adopt. I mean common, what are gay guys really going to do, your nails?

You can slap whatever label you want if makes you happy.

EDIT: I'm sorry if that's really harsh, but you needed to hear it. I didn't bring the conversation to this point, you did.

plz?

You called?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson But back to the topic: No on Ron Paul for president 2008. Isn't he trying to vote to keep gays from adopting now? What's the word on that, Spiflicated?

Definitely NO on Ron Paul for president. He wouldn't do enough to protect the rights of minorities - gays or Muslims.

Washington, DC, as a federal district, must have their funds appropriated by Congress; therefore, this falls under the responsibilities of Dr. Paul. Congress set-up a fund of 5 million dollars to promote adoption and offset the costs of adopting in DC. In an effort to try to keep gays from adopting, an amendment to the bill was put forward by a Republican to disallow any of the funds to be spent on promoting adoption by unmarried people (unless the child was a blood relative). Dr. Paul voted YES on this amendment.

My other concern is for the little Muslim children of Shaolin_Z. I don't think they should be forced to listen to Christian prayer in school or be forced to wait in the hallway until the class is finished praying to Jesus. Ron Paul wants to have prayer in public schools. It doesn't belong there because children shouldn't have to endure harassment for religious beliefs. I thought it was bad enough that one of my classmates was ridiculed for being a Jehovah's witness because she was not allowed to say the pledge of allegiance to the flag.

Shaolin_Z, I hope you find another candidate to vote for in 2008.

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