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Originally posted by cweb The problem is Sharon is not a idiot in the way of meaning the good and doing the bad. He exactly knows what his actions lead and he WANTS Palisteneans to attack Isrealis so he could waive them out of Israel once it for all.

that is totally correct. Ariel Sharon indeed knows that if he can attack the palestinians and the palestinians use suicidekillings then Sharon can recounterattack very hard and try to totally drive out the palestinians from west bank and Gaza.
Nice facism strategy but it won't work mr Sharon son of Hitler.
You may have harassed, forced them not to work, killed them, tortured them, destroyed their homes but you can never ever kill their dream of their own state.

George Bush showed his dumbness one more time when he called Sharon "a man for peace". Now, how DUMB is that? Let the fact that ASharon is by no means a peace-man not be discussed. But you, as the pres. of America, simply dont call Sharon that way. The Israeli folk will not attack the US, they dont need friendly words. On the other side the arab world is annoyed even more after this comment. thats just silly, man cant believe it a classical shot in the foot.

I have from this day lost all respect for George W. Bush.
Calling Ariel Sharon "a man of peace" is like calling Hitler "a saint".

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Originally posted by Proximus They continue building settlements on palistinian land and pushing palestinian out.

re-read my thread, there have been no new settlements or expansions of them in areas A and B of the disputed territories since 1993 (fact - as seen by the map someone here showed). we are not "pushing" the palestinians out, that is a lie and i want you to admit it.

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They call the palestinians that live in israel "cancer cells that needs to be removed"

that was one idiotic parliment member who does not represent the majority view of israelis, i dare you to show me another, i can quote you a whole bunch from the palestinian authority who have said the same things about the israelis. the majority of israelis WANT a palestinian country by their side to live in peace and security, we just cant have that with the current palestinian authority.

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When palestinians try to go to their work they get kicked down and insulted by israeli soldiers

how about the israeli citizens who get blown up while sitting for a cup of coffee? see a differnce?

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their pregnant woman cant even go to the hospital

we've already given you various reasons why this takes place. take your anger out at arafat for not building adequate hospitals from the millions and millions of dollars he recieved from US aid since 1993. i wonder where all that money went? weapons, nahh couldnt be, theres just no proof of that

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Hahaha.. boy, if you want to know the root of all this stuff you need to go way back in history.. If I was Ariel Sharon, what would I do? I would negotiate, stop keeping the palestinian leader as a hostage and do my very best to negotiate. If then and only then the palestinians really didnt show any interest in negotiation i wouldnt have a choice then

already been done. agian how do you explain the whole peace proccess thats lasted for 7-8 years (1993-2000)? if you would have been following this prior to the past year you would have understood that we have already tried every means possible to negotiate for peace. furthermore, Dennis Ross the guy who was the closest from the united states in helping the two sides come together for peace during all of clintons presidency has concluded and been quoted as saying, Arafat has shown he does not want peace nor will there be as long as he is in power.

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i would close all doors, give them their land and then not let a single palestinian get in israel

thats almost impossible to do. keep all palestinians out, ya thats makes sense, and what about those that want to visit family in israel? and what about when rockets start flying from palestinian areas into israel? what about the numerous organizations that wont stop their resistance (ie terrorist activities) until they get ALL of israel (hamas, islamic jihad... etc)?

thanks for showing me you understand so much about this issue

Originally posted by cweb
@yoepeus: I wouldnt call Amnesty International "biased". They are mabe a bit to "sensitive" but not "biased".

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Commission on Human Rights, 58th Session, 18 March - 26 April 2002 Agenda item 8: Question of the violation of human rights in the occupied Arab territories, including Palestine ORAL STATEMENT BY AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL Tuesday 2 April 2002 Armed Palestinians have breached fundamental principles of international humanitarian law on numerous occasions. It is not acceptable to deliberately target civilians, to let off a bomb where women and children are standing, to shoot a girl on a street, to arbitrarily target cars on roads or to kill people who are held as prisoners. These actions are shocking. Yet they can never justify the human rights violations and grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions which, over the past 18 months, have been committed daily, hourly, even every minute, by the Israeli authorities against Palestinians.

Again, they go on to assume that Israel "[violates] and [does] grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions which, over the past 18 months, have been committed daily, hourly, even every minute".

Yet from the same article they can't make the assumptions that Israel stops to check ambulances, and prevent them from entering war scenes at times do to the fact that they have been misused by the Palestinians, who would smuggle weapons, terrorist, and suicide bombers, to and fro using these same vehicles.

I will even admit I don't think the Palestinians have violate the geneva convention daily, hourly, even, every minute in the past 18 months.

If this is not clear cut bias, a diliberate action to hastly blame sides without doing research, and said only to achieve a political agenda I don't know what is.

Now, would you like me to disprove the UN as well?

Yoepus
A word to the wise ain't necessary, its the stupid ones who need all the advice.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Nice facism strategy but it won't work mr Sharon son of Hitler.

I thought you were the son of Hitler... wait... are you twins?? NO! it can't be

Wait let me guess, your the evil one right?
Where do you learn this anti-semitism shit? in school?.. no it couldn't have been there, they must have rejected you.

Wow! You probably worked on that post for hours. Your family's program of selective inbreeding appears to have resulted in success.

Go fuck yourself... calling Sharon hitler is the last straw!

I have never directly called someone names on this forum before, but you are worthy of the new praise.

I see you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your conversation.

Go read a book without pictures and read some history.

calm down you fuckface. Seems like every anti-Israelpost is a pain in the ass for you. Shiteater!
I hope you don't get any sleep at all and that a big ugly arab comes to your house and rape your entire family.
Son of shit

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Originally posted by Proximus Hahaha.. boy, if you want to know the root of all this stuff you need to go way back in history..

Do you know the history? If you did, I don't think your opinions would be the same as they are now, and therefore I will conclude you are just trying to look smart.

History: 1993-1998 Negotiations happened with PA, strategy: gradual withdrawl in exchange for peace.
1998-2000: Negotiations happened with PA, strategy: complete withdrawl for complete peace.
2001: Negotiations happened with PA; strategy: (now Sharon) complete withdrawl of less areas then offered in 2000 for complete peace.
2001-2: Negotiations broke down, strategy: give war a chance.

Both these attempts (which was the span of 5 leaders).

You have to remember, the only reason Sharon got in office, was because of his hardliner approach. The Israeli people understood the elimination of Arafat was needed, and a war might prelude or conclude when this happened.

The Israeli people wanted to give war a chance, since peace talks had broken down. Why? Because "then and only then the palestinians really didnt show any interest in negotiation". Don't you think an agreement could have been reached in the 30+ years since occupation?

If Israel would have wanted the land then, or now.. why have they not annexed it?? Why?

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because there is no right nor wrong anymore in this story.. its just like a sandbox game.. "you started it" "no you did" "did not" "did too"

There is still a right and wrong in this story, you just refuse to see it or except it do to the bias of the information from the media you are fed. Who started it? The Arabs (Palestinians) -1948.

And one child in the sandbox has evolved since then to a fullfledged adult, while the other remains in there, wanting to play like a child.

Yoepus
The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 calm down you

Enjoy your life.

you to you schwein

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Originally posted by cweb George Bush showed his dumbness one more time when he called Sharon "a man for peace".

I agree, even me a pro-Sharon supported would have found a different phrase to use diplomaitcally when speaking of him, at least in regard to the current context of the time (perhaps latter when peace talks resume.. but).

Yoepus
The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at.

RebeL9,
eat shit!

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Originally posted by Eugene RebeL9, eat shit!

I have already added his name to the long list of Nazi-Rebels, on the big list archive in the Jewish Zionist headquarters... he will soon find his peace, do not worry. The plan for world domination continues.

As for the moderators, do not let this one guy interupt the fruitful debate we are having with others. If you need edit out his messages, and preferably bar him from TA. I will then remove all mines with reference to his inaddition, and the discussion can continue in civil fashion.

Everybody here needs to CALM DOWN aprubtly, dont let this discussion go to your head.

Sharon is not Hitler, but like those lawyers @nurnber46 said: it doesnt matter if you deserve the deat a hundred times while others deserved it a million times!

It's nice to see how intelligent are some people on this forum. When they run out of arguments, they start calling each other names.

Very mature.

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Originally posted by Eugene RebeL9, eat shit!

go suck your mothers penis you filthy dork

Durafei: I agree with you

Look, all my israeli friends, the only thing i'm trying to prove is that the palestinians are just as much victims as you.. you both have real idiot governments..

but lets cool this down... ariel sharon is no hitler, ariel sharon was a war hero but he is a criminal, just like slobodan milosevic, thats a fact. yasser arafat is also a criminal but removing him from palestine wouldn't be such a wise choice because if they did someone from one of these fundementalist groups would take over the power.. and that wouldn't make the situation better.. israel knows this and the whole world knows this.

the struggle for peace continues.. and i sincerely hope that you all, my israeli brothers and my palestinian brothers, find that, and i will keep on study on this issue and try to help the best i can.

ps. one my friends, iranian as me, is about to get signed on an israel label, the iranians will surely put fatwa on him (damn motherfucking islam government)

aahh.. someday i shall visit israel and go singin "hava nagila hava" or how that song goes..

take care and try to be cool.. thats the most important thing, swearing will only make you look like a idiot

try to be cool...yeah the ultime life challenge

Im glad to see everyone in here can still say civil about this whole topic. Proximus, i enjoyed your last post, same wit cweb. listen i know i cant go and convinence people to change their view in one thread, im not that stupid. i enjoy these debate and have participated in many here and outside in real life. i have NEVER come accross someone like RebeL9. i dont know if he's always this stupid or making a special effort today, but i truly belive he deserves to be banned or at least somehow punished for what he has said (and its many things). i mean come on everybody has the gift of stupidity but he's abusing the privilege. i havent even seen one apology. i really wish to continue this debate until it dies of natural non posts. but i can't tolerate comments such as those taken by rebel.

rebel, in the first place God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made your species.

Sighs.........REBEL 9 makes lamer of the day. See this is why there is no peace because we are like the parties involved.....never achieve peace. But will calling names to each other get us anywhere.....NOPE. You ppl show why no one achieves anything and why the hate is so bad. My advice......grow UP!.

lol

rebel 9....

u win...

how can there be a peace when u have this ?



you all agree on creating a palestinian state , but where ?? by pushing them to lebanon syria and jordan ?

time for this thread to be closed i think as its turning into the usual flame war
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