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Posted by Omega_M on Jun-01-2007 20:06:
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i think a lot of ppl gravitate to religion because they're seeking: hope and meaning to their lives. |
Do you want to believe in a listless life without a reason or purpose ?
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| they need someone to tell them answers to life's problems. |
Have you figured out the answers yet ? Don't you seek the answers ?
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| reminds me of all those fad diets and self help books out there. |
fad ? *blink* Religion has been around since the dawn of humanity and is still going pretty strong.
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| sorry moral and the rest of you religious ppl out there. just don't like religion |
That's a choice you make. At the very least, religion is a source of comfort to people. If accepting a higher authority brings them peace, why do you want to take it away ? What absolute purpose does it serve except for making their lives miserable ? Besides, are you absolutely sure they are deluded and you are not ? Can you prove me, atheism is better than accepting religion ?
Sorry to see you burn in hell
Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 20:12:
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Damn. Yea it�s not THAT bad, like swearing people out of our lives n shit, but we definitely have some heated discussions that I just all together avoid now because it�s not worth it. She�s very stubborn and set in her ways. My uncle has a 3 year old and my mom bought him Veggie Tales�it�s jesus kids books and I know that my uncle�s wife is atheist and I told her she had no place giving him that and she fucking LOST IT. like, �Well David (uncle) was raised catholic and he should bring god in his life and BLA BLA BLA� she was on the phone with her sisters and mother (a total typical old school catholic from the Bronx�big irish family) so of course they sided with her. lol after that, I was just like fuck this, it�s not worth it. I just keep my mouth shut.
And yea igk ur right. My mom is at a point in her life where she is just searching for something better now. she hates living in a big city and she�s most likely joining the peace corps soon. I mean, god bless her for that and that�s really cool that she wants to help people and serve a purpose, but it�s definitely going to keep us at a major distance and the day I have kids and she starts lecturing me about bringing god into their life, well�I don�t look forward to it. but until then�whatever. She is who she is and she is certainly not changing me. she used to give me guilt trips and try to get me to go to mass with her on xmas and easter. I mean I�ll go just cuz it�s a tradition to go to midnight mass and stuff and it�s kinda fun, but I certainly won�t be converting.
Emc2 I dunno what to tell u. that�s some pretty intense shit, and I�m not one to give up so easily on relationships and love, but that�s like a no win situation. I would hate to see your kids witness all the arguing and struggling. Those friggin Christians stick together like I�ve never seen before. Lol it�s rude and disrespectful of your brother-in-law to take part in this. it downright pisses me off to hear about that actually. like mind ur own fucking business. I can�t imagine what you�re going through. I�m very protective of my family and loved ones and my morals and values and if someone was trying to come in between that, well, I can see myself showing them the door until they know how to act in my house too, so props to you for that.
Posted by emc^2 on Jun-01-2007 20:17:
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Originally posted by Omega_M
Sorry to see you burn in hell |
Waidaminute... i thought God loves me???? So, let me get this straight. I live a more or less "decent" life - treat others kindly, help those in need, being a good father, son, etc. heck, even paying my taxes before they are due... and you're telling me I'm destined to burn in hell, right next to the likes of those like Bush, Hitler, Dahlmer, etc - simply for being... not fully devoted? Or is there a hell that's still hot but not quite as balmy as the one reserved for extra wicked? You know - As late Jerry Falwell would describe "the sausage smoking buggery fiends", the kind that like Lolis or mass-murdering deviants? I'm curious. Is there a guest list to Club Heaven? Oh... I gotta be on JC's list? No general admission? Awww... shucks.
You know what I believe in? Ultimately we all will rot in graves. The end. Purpose served. There's no afterlife, no carrot on the stick, no sweet reward, no 72 virgins, no eternal happiness, nothing of that sort. Just whatever you accomplish here is what stays behind. No ultimate justice, no judgement day. You live, you die, hopefully leaving something behind worth remembering you by or at least someone worthy of breathing the air here.
Sorry to shatter your pink, romantic view of the world but your carcas is all mass. The only energy I believe in is the kind that zaps me when I wear staticky clothes or forget to disconnect electricity at the breaker - you know, the kind most of us have to pay for in a form of a monthly bill.
Hate to disapoint you there chief. But hey, if it floats your boat, fills your sail, keeps you going - MORE POWA FOR YA!
peace be onto you.
Posted by Fast Turtle on Jun-01-2007 20:20:
It'll be interesting to see what happens with all of our generation in the next 10 or so years, as we start to get married, divorced, have families. We're a pretty experimental generation as far as pharmaceuticals go, with all the antidepressants, ADHD medications, and drugs like MDMA. Not only that, but we're becoming well aware that by the time we're old, people will be living into their 100s.
Posted by igottaknow on Jun-01-2007 20:21:
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Originally posted by Omega_M
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hey I'm going to run out to the grocery store
(pulls a jamie)
Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 20:21:
Ironically, if I ever decide to take part in a religion, it would most likely be Judaism lol
Posted by Fast Turtle on Jun-01-2007 20:23:
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Originally posted by Slylee
Ironically, if I ever decide to take part in a religion, it would most likely be Judaism lol |
I'm zen buddhist to an end... hmm...
Posted by l�cid on Jun-01-2007 20:28:
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Originally posted by emc^2
no 72 virgins |
shit
Posted by emc^2 on Jun-01-2007 20:30:
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Originally posted by l�cid
shit
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Ok I lied....Here's one of them meeting a Jihadist:
Posted by Slylee on Jun-01-2007 20:49:
ew lol
Posted by Omega_M on Jun-01-2007 20:53:
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Originally posted by emc^2
Waidaminute... i thought God loves me???? So, let me get this straight. I live a more or less "decent" life - treat others kindly, help those in need, being a good father, son, etc. heck, even paying my taxes before they are due... and you're telling me I'm destined to burn in hell, right next to the likes of those like Bush, Hitler, Dahlmer, etc - simply for being... not fully devoted? Or is there a hell that's still hot but not quite as balmy as the one reserved for extra wicked? You know - As late Jerry Falwell would describe "the sausage smoking buggery fiends", the kind that like Lolis or mass-murdering deviants? I'm curious. Is there a guest list to Club Heaven? Oh... I gotta be on JC's list? No general admission? Awww... shucks. |
what i said was clearly a joke.
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| You know what I believe in? |
Point noted. Now this is an argument of beliefs.
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| Ultimately we all will rot in graves. The end. Purpose served. There's no afterlife, no carrot on the stick, no sweet reward, no 72 virgins, no eternal happiness, nothing of that sort. |
Wait a minute. Is this your belief, or is this for real ? How can you be so sure ? I believe in reincarnation. I believe in the theory of karma. I believe what you do in this life will affect your current and future lives. There is a sweet reward today and tomorrow if you behave, else you will pay by being born to taleban parents in Afghanisthan. How are you any more correct than me in these beliefs ?
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| Just whatever you accomplish here is what stays behind. No ultimate justice, no judgement day. You live, you die, hopefully leaving something behind worth remembering you by or at least someone worthy of breathing the air here. |
Judgement day and such are specifics of each religion. Besides, they are probably philosophical concepts which were lost upon people and now the word gets equated to it's literal meaning.
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| Sorry to shatter your pink, romantic view of the world but your carcas is all mass. The only energy I believe in is the kind that zaps me when I wear staticky clothes or forget to disconnect electricity at the breaker - you know, the kind most of us have to pay for in a form of a monthly bill. |
Again, are you sure ? what makes you say this with authority as a fact ? Science has yet to quantitatively analyze consciousness, so relax. Don't jump to any conclusions of that sort.
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| Hate to disapoint you there chief. But hey, if it floats your boat, fills your sail, keeps you going - MORE POWA FOR YA! |
In absolute terms, what more power do you think you have by rejecting religion than me by accepting it ?
Amen.
Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jun-01-2007 21:01:
Re: Re: Getting married
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The only thing I regret is doing two hollywood lines of blow 10 minutes before our first dance.... there is not one good picture of that dance, as I was doing this face for the whole thing. |
Posted by emc^2 on Jun-01-2007 21:24:
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Originally posted by Omega_M
what i said was clearly a joke.
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Sorry, my F.U.N.N.E.H. detector was broken or didn't register a read-out.
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Point noted. Now this is an argument of beliefs.
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isn't all these debates about religion? what about wars? it's always argument of beliefs. so, no hiding behind clever statements after flinging flaming sh!t bomb 
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Wait a minute. Is this your belief, or is this for real ? How can you be so sure ? I believe in reincarnation. I believe in the theory of karma. I believe what you do in this life will affect your current and future lives. There is a sweet reward today and tomorrow if you behave, else you will pay by being born to taleban parents in Afghanisthan. How are you any more correct than me in these beliefs ?
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I'm not any more correct than people sending others to die for religious causes or killing others for what they believe in. the only difference, I haven't killed anyone for disagreeing with me (yet). And if I am re-incarnated to be Taleban's parents in Afghanistan then I'll b!tch and moan about crussaders, learn how to make explosive belts, educate myself on how to properly beat my wife... erm, I mean educate my wife and would make the best of favorite past time such as scaring venomous snakes and taunting americans with my fake clay AK-47.
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Judgement day and such are specifics of each religion. Besides, they are probably philosophical concepts which were lost upon people and now the word gets equated to it's literal meaning.
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Is this your belief? Coz' it goes against many religious doctrines. Surely a religious person would not dismiss Armageddon so simply and easily (unless we're talking about movie of the same name).
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Again, are you sure ? what makes you say this with authority as a fact ? Science has yet to quantitatively analyze consciousness, so relax. Don't jump to any conclusions of that sort.
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Actually, I don't consider personal beliefs as "conclusions". I'm quite open minded and not an atheist. I'm agnostic. Yes, it's like being religious equivalent of "bi-seksual" - a greedy bastard, not willing to commit.
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In absolute terms, what more power do you think you have by rejecting religion than me by accepting it ?
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Um... I have a problem with RELIGIONS, not with GOD. "Don't let your religion get in your way with God" is what I believe in.
For more humorous reading about "RELIGION" check this linky:
http://www.apath.org/creating_religion.html
Amen. [/QUOTE]
Posted by HardTranceProd on Jun-01-2007 22:01:
"Marriage is for white people"... lol..
Posted by igottaknow on Jun-01-2007 22:13:
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Originally posted by emc^2
Actually, I don't consider personal beliefs as "conclusions". I'm quite open minded and not an atheist. I'm agnostic. Yes, it's like being religious equivalent of "bi-seksual" - a greedy bastard, not willing to commit. |
I'm agnostic too. It's really the most logical stance because one will never be able to prove 100% that god either exists or doesn't.
nice replies, i get tired of arguing such things. these religious types are always trying to prove something which is impossible to prove. Imagine how better off the world would be if they actually did some good instead constructing these intricate reasons to convince you that there is factual basis for their religion.
Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-01-2007 23:07:
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Originally posted by igottaknow
I'm agnostic too. It's really the most logical stance because one will never be able to prove 100% that god either exists or doesn't.
nice replies, i get tired of arguing such things. these religious types are always trying to prove something which is impossible to prove. Imagine how better off the world would be if they actually did some good instead constructing these intricate reasons to convince you that there is factual basis for their religion. |
if religous fanatics spent half the time they spend on arguing their point to help the bad areas of the usa we would have a much better place with less poverty.
Posted by igottaknow on Jun-01-2007 23:20:
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
if religous fanatics spent half the time they spend on arguing their point to help the bad areas of the usa we would have a much better place with less poverty. |
they'd rather try to save unborn babies and prolong the lives terminally ill/brain dead ppl who want to die, to prove a religious point.
Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-01-2007 23:47:
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Originally posted by igottaknow
they'd rather try to save unborn babies and prolong the lives terminally ill/brain dead ppl who want to die, to prove a religious point. |
haha true.
Posted by UWM on Jun-02-2007 00:25:
Garth, marriage is punishment for shoplifting in some countries.
Posted by Lira on Jun-02-2007 03:12:
Oh, well, it became a debate about religion... which is funny, because my girlfriend and I are not religious, so the ceremony would be a secular one 
Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-02-2007 03:16:
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Originally posted by Lira
Oh, well, it became a debate about religion... which is funny, because my girlfriend and I are not religious, so the ceremony would be a secular one |
lol with a big HALT!HAMMERZEIT! pic in the background while the reception is going on.
Posted by Lira on Jun-02-2007 03:18:
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
lol with a big HALT!HAMMERZEIT! pic in the background while the reception is going on. |
+1
Instead of saying "We're all gathered here...", I'll have the MC say "The wedding's just kicked in, yo!"
Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-02-2007 03:19:
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Originally posted by Lira
+1
Instead of saying "We're all gathered here...", I'll have the MC say "The wedding's just kicked in, yo!" |
LMAO
Posted by Omega_M on Jun-02-2007 03:32:
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
lol with a big HALT!HAMMERZEIT! pic in the background while the reception is going on. |
Ok, I may be a little slow, but what the hell is this Halt Hammerzeit all about ?
Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-02-2007 03:33:
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Originally posted by Omega_M
Ok, I may be a little slow, but what the hell is this Halt Hammerzeit all about ? |
notice his signature?
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