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I don't like that people here tend to go for fighting and bashing eachother instead of discussing things in peace.
It always seem to end in a flamewar

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Originally posted by Whirloop I don't like that people here tend to go for fighting and bashing eachother instead of discussing things in peace. It always seem to end in a flamewar

piss off with this






(just kidding)

Re: J00F comments the current state of trance

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Originally posted by RebeL9 �That�s what trance used to mean, but now it means a cheesy vocal, an obvious breakdown and a rubbish video.�

Truth. I'm almost to the point where if a track has vocals I don't want anything to do with it

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Originally posted by lindt Did you really just quote Fight Club to support and frame your points?

whats your problem? if you don't agree to what I wrote why don't you just object in some polite manner rather than sound like an ape what king of silly assault was that for??

....

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox rather than sound like an ape

I read that
I saw his avatar
I laughed

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox now a haven't read much of this thread due to its size BUT please read this carefully so I can avoid being accused: "The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club" - (c) Fight Club everything in our life is based on stereotypes - culture is a system of stereotypes besides just the music, the so-called "art" etc. haven't you ever noticed? - every goddamn DJ on the planet swears to god he IS the representation of the underground sound and accuses the other DJs of being cheesy, pop-sounding and working for the masses. but what is underground??? what the fuck is it??? if you heard underground then its probably not underground because you heard it coming out of someone's basement. it's not supposed to come out of the someone's basement full of close friends on LSD (joke!). and even if it comes out and brings them money and fame they should treat it like "oh well...nice" underground this underground that, cheesy this cheesy that - WHO THE FKUC is John 00 Fleming (and PvD, and that other guy PvD quotes..) to judge what is right and what is wrong, and how thing should be?? if he lays down that formulaic-trance-accusation then why does alot of his own production have an apparent formula behind it? ok, its not the usual buildup-uplift-breakdown-buildup-and-outtro sound but it still is all the same in many fucking ways like the bassline, the squiggly synth pads and pumping drums.. i could then bring the press-reporters to my house and declare the Mr.John 00 Fleming produced cheesy psytrance and anyways 99,999999% of all EDM is cheesy crap and what do I get out of it?? i'll tell you - FAME!!!! FAME = PR (adv.) now returning to the stereotypes - underground IS a stereotype imposed on you and me to somehow separate this big fucking tangled bunch of music, and to earn extra benefit out of it, because by separating two apples on the store stand you can claim one is better then the other and have it sold for twice the price. underground is a new, highly efficient, futuristic-looking weapon to combat the unability to get the audience's trust anymore. that's why alot of DJs talk about it but you never really feel the difference neither hear it. it's just the same as yelling throught a loudspeaker "this planet is full of scum!! this planet, I say, is full of scum!!". award yourself a medal and seduce yourself afterwards. "Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else." - (c) Fight Club and another thing i've noticed - underground as a PR-tool is not alone and is closely related to another raging steretype applied to 99% of the advertisement material (at least here in Ukraine) - it has many names - "being free", "freedom of choice", "live free", "a bright personality", "be different", "be not like everyone else", "you're special/unique/freak". you see, the basic principles of freedom, just as the principles of pure underground, is that it is an idealistic concept which you cannot touch, cannot taste, cannot feel...because you are bound by so much things. now this may not seem much relevant to the topic, but today a lot of people are concerned whether they really fit into this new suit of a "free personality".. everyone's trying to act different just for the sake of acting different which is quite contradicting to the very essence of "freedom" because similarity whips your heels as you run from it - that is why most people are victims to their own stereotypes, which are, generaly, imposed on them by the media, and, what is the most important - for a very different purpose then most generally imagine. even I, in some way, prove my own words by writing the whole damn thing.. peace

you are watching too much movies.

throwing shit at someone is not a very smart thing to do, you know..i still don't see any counterarguments

cool down or it may look like you are sexually frustrated

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox throwing shit at someone is not a very smart thing to do, you know..i still don't see any counterarguments cool down or it may look like you are sexually frustrated

show me the shit please

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�The problem is that there are few producers out there making music with their hearts,� reckons John 00 Fleming. �Most producers today just want to become famous so they look at what has previously been a hit and try to recreate that obvious trance sound.

As much as I respect J00F, I'm wondering how these assumptions can be made... Tracks sound a lot like eachother, so 'obviously' producers are doing it for the money (or fame) only??
What if these producers actually like today's sound and make their own interpretations with the passion for music they have? And can't you be a little proud then if your tracks actually reach a big audience and you can earn your money with it? (If anyone is to blame, it's record labels only wanting to release the stuff that sells for sure.)

Yes, you can find a lot of rubbish in all the downloadstores, but saying these were all made without passion for the music / without their hearts is a different thing.

...and thats why i cbf listening to asot

i wasn't specificaly talking about you, but if you insist..

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Originally posted by RebeL9 you are watching too much movies.

does that sound like a reasonable statement?

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox whats your problem? if you don't agree to what I wrote why don't you just object in some polite manner rather than sound like an ape what king of silly assault was that for??

LMAO someones got a bad case of pms.

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox i wasn't specificaly talking about you, but if you insist.. does that sound like a reasonable statement?

reading your Fight Club monologue makes it a very reasonable statement.

all I'm going to say is JF at EDC this past June was a thousand times better than the trance saviors aka Above & Beyond

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox throwing shit at someone is not a very smart thing to do, you know.

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox cool down or it may look like you are sexually frustrated

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox throwing shit at someone is not a very smart thing to do, you know.

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox cool down or it may look like you are sexually frustrated

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Originally posted by RebeL9 reading your Fight Club monologue makes it a very reasonable statement.

did you ever assume that MAYBE i was quoting the movie BECAUSE the according lines make sense and it was appropriate to put them where they are? guess not

you know, im quite surprised that my post evoked all sorts of accusations personally directed at me.. no really!! this IS the MUSIC discussion section. i wrote exactly what I thought about the J00P being wise and all while some people seem to enjoy the moment on crapping on the author for some reason... now is anybody going to put a counterargument to my post or are we still discussing my personality?

Your post made sense, at least to me. I guess the quoting got people off topic and distracted them from bothering to understand your point.

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Originally posted by stealthman ...and thats why i cbf listening to asot

What is cbf?

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox did you ever assume that MAYBE i was quoting the movie BECAUSE the according lines make sense and it was appropriate to put them where they are? guess not you know, im quite surprised that my post evoked all sorts of accusations personally directed at me.. no really!! this IS the MUSIC discussion section. i wrote exactly what I thought about the J00P being wise and all while some people seem to enjoy the moment on crapping on the author for some reason... now is anybody going to put a counterargument to my post or are we still discussing my personality?

Why should we bother to even read your post if you didn't read ours? Honestly, I stopped reading your post after a few sentences because it read like a whiney lj rant from a teenager who just got sent to his room by Mommy. Read the thread and stop cussing at us if you want don't want people to accuse you of anything.

Also, it's "I," not "a."

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Originally posted by Purple What is cbf?

cbf = cant be fucked

do you think i need to read like 13 pages to write down what i think about the first post in the thread? you're killing me..teenager talk and all.. relax

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox do you think i need to read like 13 pages to write down what i think about the first post in the thread? you're killing me..teenager talk and all.. relax

Oh, you don't need to read the thread to write down your ideas. Just don't expect to get much respect if you don't. I'm trying to tell you how to gain respect here. If you want people to pay attention to you and offer you sound and applicable responses, then pay attention and offer sound and applicable arguments.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Oh, you don't need to read the thread to write down your ideas. Just don't expect to get much respect if you don't. I'm trying to tell you how to gain respect here. If you want people to pay attention to you and offer you sound and applicable responses, then pay attention and offer sound and applicable arguments.

agreed! i bring my apologies to those who felt being disrespected and assaulted by my post and turning the discussion of J00F's interview into the public execution of me. next time i will clearly state that i have read the entire thread and on that basis make a statement. amen

*lashes himself with whip*

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Originally posted by THE_Chris cbf = cant be fucked

j00f is fucking amazing, please stay the way you are, i agree with everything you're saying, trance has been garbage for the past 4-5years, all the same generic bullshit, sander van doorn on the other hand has been fucking awesome and it was the only live trance act that i decided to go for and he killed it.

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