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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL that is what i'm saying in the NYTA thread. Ppl actually think cuz a dj is nice *woah huge shock factor to some ppl* that it means they didn't know shit that was going on. You got problems if you hire a Marketing Manager and don't know the shit he is doing to Market your ass.

Especially considering CL and DJ Dan rose so high last year - Obviously they had to know something was up, and I find it really hard to believe that if it at all bothered them that they wouldn't have cut associations with the responsible people.

$$$$$$$$$$$

And to the others of you who are accusing this agent of losing them so much income due to their lack / loss of ranking - How much money do you think he made them this year due to doing the exact same thing for last years poll?

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL Ppl actually think cuz a dj is nice *woah huge shock factor to some ppl* that it means they didn't know shit that was going on.

that shit cracks me up, and it pops up in every topic about this

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Originally posted by UWM How can people really believe that these DJ's had neither the knowledge of these goings on nor a direct hand in it?

Flash Brothers jumped up what, 43 spots last year? and now they're blaming it on friends and family? good one!

voting 50 time with the same ip isnt very bright.

regarding Victor's posts, it's true that the only change of reputation will be that of the DJs. The poll, regardless of your feelings about it, didn't change. Some people got punished for their actions within a set of guidelines that have been the same for years. Whether they're the only ones who "cheated" (and I use the term loosely, since people like Markus Schulz seem to think that you're allowed an unspecified number of illegitimate votes before you sacrifice your idyllic purity of soul) or not, they're still the only ones being singled out. If you thought the poll was a joke, it'll still be a joke, now replete with clowns. If you thought it held a great level of integrity, you'll simply decide that those DJs took advantage of the otherwise innocent process.

The poll's image stays the same, but the DJs in question are now separated, justly or not, from the crowd, either as poster boys for the overemphasis on the importance of DJMag, or as deceitful professionals who fail to live up to the the industry's standards. That's the point [I thought] Victor was trying to make. If not...well, then I don't know what he was trying to say.

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Originally posted by IndustryInsider Dude, I read it on another board, who knows if it is true. Do you believe everything you read on here? lol

Do you believe everything you read on other forums? lol

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Originally posted by freakster i like chris lawrence he is a nice guy, im sorry this happened to him. unless the poll changes the records chris plays, it doesnt matter to me. i love the music that i love.

That's, hands down, the dumbest post I've seen in weeks.

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Originally posted by idoru Or we could abandon the whole crock of shit that is the DJ Mag poll, thus ridding ourselves of DJs and producers who lack any and all artistic merit and try to be ranked highly just for the money and fame. Just a thought...

better & much more feasible idea:

stop voting for good DJs. You're never going to out-yell the fanboys, so if you can't beat 'em, ditch 'em. If there was only one genre represented on there, it wouldn't be nearly as influential. It's the fact that people are still trying to fight it & getting talented people on the list, no matter how low, that's giving it credibility.

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Originally posted by the_gamemaster O yeah, right. Why would he put that though?

wow.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 the reality is guys the dj mag poll does matter. i'm sorry, i understand the movement and the thought process to discredit such a stupid idea for a poll and to rank something so objective but people love it... ESPECIALLY marketing people. imagine being the p.r. person to the #1 DJ in the world... what an easy selling point that is. and unfortunatly everyone in the business depends on the marketability of DJ's... 'Come to Pacha this week and see the #3 DJ in the world.'

exactly. If only Tiesto/PvD/Armintologists were voting, it wouldn't be considered to be a poll of 'the world.'

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Originally posted by RJT No one is saying the list doesn't 'matter from a purely marketing point of view (in fact I've said it in this very thread, many, many times), but it's hardly a list of the top 100 DJ's in the world, and as such, DJ Mag's being upset at CL and Dan is absolutely unwarranted, because no one other than DJ Mag can be blamed for creating a system which essentially invited exploitation. Show of hands - how many of you actually think this is going to affect Dan and CL's careers in some profound sense for years to come?

Again, it may not be universally acknowledged that it's a list of the top 100 DJs in the world, it would be a lot more easily disputed if it looked [even more] like a Trance.nu Class President election.

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Originally posted by nefardec The culture of consumption and a productive, positive, progressive culture are at odds with one another.

Mindless consumption, yes. Competion, no.

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Originally posted by DaveT I think "disqualifying" DJs might be a tad brash. I mean, there are certainly instances where the DJ is probably involved, but hurting them when there's a good chance they weren't involved but their management had something to do with it. I don't think some of these DJs would dare to a chance of being caught cheating like this knowing how much it could tarnish their image. AS people have said, DJMag is a (stupid) marketing tool for DJs. It certainly impacts your booking fee.

So, it's a stupid marketing tool and there's a good chance that no DJ would care enough to try & manipulate it, but he also would never do such a thing, since disqualification would cause irreparable damage to anyone's image--a fate which no one should ever have to endure, even if involved (it's just too harsh).

Did I get that right?


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So much stupidity, so little thread.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by inconspicuous

Did I get that right?
[QUOTE]yup yup

DJs don't hand over big $$$ to PR managers/firms unless they are aware of the "tactics" that these said PR managers/firms use. Don't be naive people, the DJ world has always been full of backstabbing cheaters.

Maybe next year we'll see some drive-by's in the House music world, Global Underground vs Great Stuff playaaaaaaaasssssss, clack clack clack.

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Originally posted by Alex DJs don't hand over big $$$ to PR managers/firms unless they are aware of the "tactics" that these said PR managers/firms use. Don't be naive people, the DJ world has always been full of backstabbing cheaters. Maybe next year we'll see some drive-by's in the House music world, Global Underground vs Great Stuff playaaaaaaaasssssss, clack clack clack.

i can totally see some DJ's like coming to some DJ's gig and putting like a roofie in his drink and killing him to move a spot up in the poll

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Originally posted by inconspicuous regarding Victor's posts, it's true that the only change of reputation will be that of the DJs. The poll, regardless of your feelings about it, didn't change. Some people got punished for their actions within a set of guidelines that have been the same for years. Whether they're the only ones who "cheated" (and I use the term loosely, since people like Markus Schulz seem to think that you're allowed an unspecified number of illegitimate votes before you sacrifice your idyllic purity of soul) or not, they're still the only ones being singled out. If you thought the poll was a joke, it'll still be a joke, now replete with clowns. If you thought it held a great level of integrity, you'll simply decide that those DJs took advantage of the otherwise innocent process. The poll's image stays the same, but the DJs in question are now separated, justly or not, from the crowd, either as poster boys for the overemphasis on the importance of DJMag, or as deceitful professionals who fail to live up to the the industry's standards. That's the point [I thought] Victor was trying to make. If not...well, then I don't know what he was trying to say.

How that's the point you got from his posts, I'll never know.

All I got was that he thinks this reflects more poorly on Chris and Dan, and I think it reflects more poorly on DJ Mag, which was shortly followed by the standard "You're an idiot" response rather than anything substantial.

Further, to assume no persons opinion of the poll will change because of this seems ridiculous.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Again, it may not be universally acknowledged that it's a list of the top 100 DJs in the world, it would be a lot more easily disputed if it looked [even more] like a Trance.nu Class President election.

I do not have the foggiest idea what you're attempting to convey here.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Did I get that right?

You repeated what's been said quite a few times already, so if that's right, sure - you got it right.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous So much stupidity, so little thread.

Something we can all agree on.

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Originally posted by Alex DJs don't hand over big $$$ to PR managers/firms unless they are aware of the "tactics" that these said PR managers/firms use. Don't be naive people, the DJ world has always been full of backstabbing cheaters. Maybe next year we'll see some drive-by's in the House music world, Global Underground vs Great Stuff playaaaaaaaasssssss, clack clack clack.

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Originally posted by RJT Now, now - I'm not important enough to disqualify.

well then why the fuck did i vote for you 50 times

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Originally posted by RJT Why? This list is nothing more than a marketing tool that no one should have ever taken seriously in the first place, so how is CL and Dan paying for marketing in this fashion any different than major labels that use excessive marketing budgets to spam the piss out of all of us? The only way it reflects poorly on the DJ's is if you buy into the idea that this list is a genuine picture of the 100 best DJ's in the world, and their cheating somehow marred the "integrity" of the list, which to me is a laughable proposition.

Agree 100% This is exactly what I was going to post.

I wish a sham like this would just shut down that stupid poll all together...

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Originally posted by trancedanne DJ Dan who?

DJ Sammy, Daddy DJ, DJ Dan. They all sound the same.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous So, it's a stupid marketing tool and there's a good chance that no DJ would care enough to try & manipulate it, but he also would never do such a thing, since disqualification would cause irreparable damage to anyone's image--a fate which no one should ever have to endure, even if involved (it's just too harsh). Did I get that right?

Not really.

It's a lame poll which people have known could easily be exposed. But a poll that in reality is a huge marketing tool used in the scene. DJs know this. But I don't think a lot of these DJs themselves would be stupid enough to have any involvement with any cheating going on because they would (hopefully) know that if they were ever busted, they could potentially be a huge backlash on them. Especially with the DJ Mag poll of all polls, easily the most referred to poll around. That backlash is already occuring, even to a couple DJs who probably should be very high on the list (note CL and Flash Brothers).

Maybe it's just me having a little hope that DJs aren't stupid enough to be involved with this type of behavior. If their marketing management does it and they do a good job, it means that the DJ is more likely to stay with them as the DJ is having success and with that the marketing manager himself/herself makes more money (along with the DJ, of course) as the bookings fees rise.

BTW, I wonder what DJMag is going to do now that it's known they are tracking this type of stuff....and if someone hates some certain DJ and abuses the system just to try to get that DJ disqualified.

Dave

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Originally posted by DaveT BTW, I wonder what DJMag is going to do now that it's known they are tracking this type of stuff....and if someone hates some certain DJ and abuses the system just to try to get that DJ disqualified.

everyone is putting this notion forward but mass-voting alone wouldn't be enough for a dj to be disqualified, particularly if they're already well known. if an unheard-of name storms into the top 10 one year then yeah, they probably would get booted out. but in the case of CL & DJ Dan, they're pretty well recognised already so the worst they can probably hope to entail is a points deduction

Def. understandable though why some dj's would cheat on the dj polls. As said it's marketing and stupid promoters that really don't know much about music will look at that list and pretty much just hire from it. I believe Joof had a big discussion on that specific issue last year.

I really hope CL didn't know about what his marketing manager was doing. As said before really chill down to Earth guy who rocks the decks every time. Def deserved to be 5th last year imo. Just sucks cause he was my number one vote.

Hopefully this means end to the poll which is the worst thing to happen to the industry.

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Originally posted by xtr3m Hopefully this means end to the poll which is the worst thing to happen to the industry.

This whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't know why Dj mag didn't disqualify the votes and be done with it. People are not stupid, they would know something was up when Djs suddenly dropped in the chart.

The way Dj mag has handled it seems too extreme to me.

like it or not, this poll is good for trance..

it gets the trance djs booked

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Originally posted by RJT You repeated what's been said quite a few times already, so if that's right, sure - you got it right.

I was merely rearranging the points in his post, which made no sense to begin with.

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Originally posted by RaPiD____EyE_k like it or not, this poll is good for trance.. it gets the trance djs booked

lol.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I was merely rearranging the points in his post, which made no sense to begin with.

Fair enough, I guess I just didn't understand why even bother when he was clearly arguing apples to unicorns.



The minute percentage of people who read about this and decide Dan and Chris are smelly-fartheads pales in comparison to the EDM/clubbing community as a whole.

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Originally posted by RJT How that's the point you got from his posts, I'll never know. All I got was that he thinks this reflects more poorly on Chris and Dan, and I think it reflects more poorly on DJ Mag, which was shortly followed by the standard "You're an idiot" response rather than anything substantial. Further, to assume no persons opinion of the poll will change because of this seems ridiculous.

Well, that was the point that would have been logical to make. Maybe I was too quick to credit it to someone else.

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Originally posted by RJT I do not have the foggiest idea what you're attempting to convey here.

George Acosta is higher on the poll than Danny Howells, but if people like Howells weren't on the list at all, it wouldn't matter as much as it does.

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Originally posted by RJT Fair enough, I guess I just didn't understand why even bother when he was clearly arguing apples to unicorns.

I know. I just wanted to get them all together for a fun little logic convention.

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Originally posted by RJT The minute percentage of people who read about this and decide Dan and Chris are smelly-fartheads pales in comparison to the EDM/clubbing community as a whole.

must...not...debate...semantics...

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Originally posted by inconspicuous must...not...debate...semantics...

You could, but it's not as if it would be relevant when you clearly understood the meaning, so really wouldn't it just boil down to nitpicking?



And thank you for clearing up the T.nu comment - the Acosta explanation helped a lot, and in general I think I agree with you, but even the majority of Howells fans out there may not be bright enough to wrap their heads around such a concept, and so DJ's like Howells will remain on the list as long as the list exists, thus complicating the whole situation further because as you said - it would be much easier to dispute if it was slightly more blatantly "fanboyish" than it already is.

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