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Originally posted by LiquidNitrogen Astrology involve position of planets in terms of degrees, based on your longitude and latitude position at the time of birth, they can tell which planet has higher and lower affect on your body. These planetary position is then used to determine the behavior and can even predict your future. Believe it or not is all upto you

honestly, how can someone in the 21st century swallow this shit?

i wanna know what special powers the uterus has to protect us from the influence of the planets until we are born.

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Originally posted by LiquidNitrogen I am not an astrologer and sadly the bhrigu manuscript that contained millions of horoscopes were destroyed by a freakin ruler ages back. What ever is left is subdivided between 2 brothers who live in different parts of India. Since we don't have the knowledge to re-create such a manuscript it can not be proved scientifically. Statistically if you can find a matching horoscope at bhrigu you'd be amazed how accurate the prediction is. Why I say it's a science is because it was based off the planetary position, surely a science that was well advance than our science. I am trying to re-iterate the fact that there seems to be some kind of knowledge existent ages back with not just hindus but also egyptians and prolly mayans, that could tell human behavior and could quite correctly predict future from the planetary position when you were born. You'd find many articles on the web that can tell you how good bhrigu samitha is (not just from Indians but also foreigners) who had a chance to give it a shot. http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/Articl...riguSamhita.htm

Ok, I hear what you're saying.

I respect your beliefs, and always will, up until you try to tell me your belief system is a science. That's all I took issue with.

It's entirely realistic that old information was destroyed by a particular ruler. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened, nor the last. I do, however, question the validity of "What ever is left is subdivided between 2 brothers who live in different parts of India."

I mean, how sure are you? How sure are they? What is it based on?

Honest question: What about twins seperated at birth?

You stated that only details of a birth are needed, correct?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I respect your beliefs, and always will,

no, fuck that sushi.

beliefs dont deserve respect, they fucking earn them. the only thing this shit "earns" is thousands of dollars from unsuspecting arseclowns that dont know any better.

any logical person should denounce this kind of shit. the more mystical bullshit we get rid of the more advanced we become as a result. mysticism in all its forms should be purged from the world.

Guys, read this if you have time and if you don't believe it. Either ways it no point discussing if you don't want to believe in.

http://members.tripod.com/~dlane5/brigu.html

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I mean, how sure are you? How sure are they? What is it based on?

I have no clue, I have no idea if such a saint even existed. All i know is that if the freakin horoscope matches to your's, the prediction is dead accurate.

Tons of people believe in this and have read their horoscopes via bhrigu samitha and none have complained except when the lousy readers asks for money as part of the last script.

Why don't you google and check out some more.

Two things exist in each of the articles posted:

- the writings were only decipherable by the librarians/astrologers and not the visitors

- payment was necessary to undo the bad karma/curse from the past/past life.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN beliefs dont deserve respect, they fucking earn them. the only thing this shit "earns" is thousands of dollars from unsuspecting arseclowns that dont know any better.

But that's my whole purpose in life ripping people off for a profit, it's not a bad thing for me!

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Originally posted by 3F05Q Two things exist in each of the articles posted: - the writings were only decipherable by the librarians/astrologers and not the visitors

Just so you know the script is in sanskrit, so if you know sanskrit you are most welcome to comprehend it yourself.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, fuck that sushi. beliefs dont deserve respect, they fucking earn them. the only thing this shit "earns" is thousands of dollars from unsuspecting arseclowns that dont know any better. any logical person should denounce this kind of shit. the more mystical bullshit we get rid of the more advanced we become as a result. mysticism in all its forms should be purged from the world.

Calm down.

I will happily respect anyone's belief. Why? Because it has ZERO to do with mine, and I'm pretty sure mine disagrees with a few folks.

People can believe what they want. I don't give a shit. I have a sense of humour. I like to laugh, often at other people.

I start to give a shit when it gets rammed down my throat though, or when some bright spark informs me of the scientific value... of something that isn't science.

I don't know how to put it, properly...

Empirical evidence, or die in a fire

Dinner time. Talk later.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Calm down. I will happily respect anyone's belief. Why? Because it has ZERO to do with mine, and I'm pretty sure mine disagrees with a few folks. People can believe what they want. I don't give a shit. I have a sense of humour. I like to laugh, often at other people. I start to give a shit when it gets rammed down my throat though, or when some bright spark informs me of the scientific value... of something that isn't science. I don't know how to put it, properly... Empirical evidence, or die in a fire Dinner time. Talk later.

I like your attitude, it's a healthy one!

PS: Science today is not science enough either to determine most things as more than faith in instrumentation.

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Originally posted by LiquidNitrogen I am not an astrologer and sadly the bhrigu manuscript that contained millions of horoscopes were destroyed by a freakin ruler ages back. What ever is left is subdivided between 2 brothers who live in different parts of India. Since we don't have the knowledge to re-create such a manuscript it can not be proved scientifically. Statistically if you can find a matching horoscope at bhrigu you'd be amazed how accurate the prediction is. Why I say it's a science is because it was based off the planetary position, surely a science that was well advance than our science. I am trying to re-iterate the fact that there seems to be some kind of knowledge existent ages back with not just hindus but also egyptians and prolly mayans, that could tell human behavior and could quite correctly predict future from the planetary position when you were born. You'd find many articles on the web that can tell you how good bhrigu samitha is (not just from Indians but also foreigners) who had a chance to give it a shot. http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/Articl...riguSamhita.htm

So it's like Joseph Smith and mormons where only he ever saw the books or whatever and people swallow it? Doesn't that scream "Stop!" to you?

Look, I'm all for belief as I believe in the possibility of a higher power but what I took issue with is you saying that you actively deny the existance of religion or a higher power, yet you believe in the alignment of planets and how they can tell the future based on some manuscript which conveniently cannot be remade or explained...

So you see how that sounds? You're are denying one thing, yet preaching the other when they are both fundamentally based on faith and theories.

Mate, if you're going to categorically deny any sort of possibility of a higher power than you have no business preaching about Astrology and some random dudes mathematical equations.

Liquid - here is the part I have a problem with.... you state that you have no belief in god or religion, however, you turn around and claim this particular type of astrology is science. Interestingly, you link an article that states this astrology was bestowed upon an individual as a reward for showing humility toward Vishnu and Lakshmi... two GODS. How can you in one breath claim to have no faith in god or religion then in the next breath pronounce your faith in this "science" that was handed down to man from a god? If you do not believe in any religion you cannot believe in something that claims it's authority in that it's the product of a god. You're being dishonest with yourself here.

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Originally posted by Fledz So it's like Joseph Smith and mormons where only he ever saw the books or whatever and people swallow it? Doesn't that scream "Stop!" to you? Look, I'm all for belief as I believe in the possibility of a higher power but what I took issue with is you saying that you actively deny the existance of religion or a higher power, yet you believe in the alignment of planets and how they can tell the future based on some manuscript which conveniently cannot be remade or explained... So you see how that sounds? You're are denying one thing, yet preaching the other when they are both fundamentally based on faith and theories. Mate, if you're going to categorically deny any sort of possibility of a higher power than you have no business preaching about Astrology and some random dudes mathematical equations.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Liquid - here is the part I have a problem with.... you state that you have no belief in god or religion, however, you turn around and claim this particular type of astrology is science. Interestingly, you link an article that states this astrology was bestowed upon an individual as a reward for showing humility toward Vishnu and Lakshmi... two GODS. How can you in one breath claim to have no faith in god or religion then in the next breath pronounce your faith in this "science" that was handed down to man from a god? If you do not believe in any religion you cannot believe in something that claims it's authority in that it's the product of a god. You're being dishonest with yourself here.

You may read my previous post as an oxymoron statement as I don't have a clue what a god would look like or what it is? I do believe in this astrology/science because it has given consistent evidence atleast statistically. At the same time I don't ponder too much on how this science was derived as its baseless, why? because existence of god is not proven. There is a higher power but none of us is sure what it is and i for one would not like to name it as god.

I personally think god is the name given to a virtual energy we pray so we could all be good human beings and live in a society together. God is a mystery to me at least and I would be happy that there would be no religion at all.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i wanna know what special powers the uterus has to protect us from the influence of the planets until we are born.

fvckin ROFL!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, fuck that sushi. beliefs dont deserve respect, they fucking earn them. the only thing this shit "earns" is thousands of dollars from unsuspecting arseclowns that dont know any better. any logical person should denounce this kind of shit. the more mystical bullshit we get rid of the more advanced we become as a result. mysticism in all its forms should be purged from the world.

you know... you basically come off as a cvnt, but you have NEVER said anything i don't agree with.

*high five*

What about this dude



The Universe is just Space and Gas and a few Stars . Next Question.

baby jesus

I read about 5 words before deciding just to post and ask if this kid is really advocating Astrology as a legitimate scientific system?



"Astrology" is one of the very, very few things I've openly heard some of the nicest and most open-minded academic types I've ever known call utter nonsense.

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Originally posted by LiquidNitrogen You may read my previous post as an oxymoron statement as I don't have a clue what a god would look like or what it is?

l2english plox. kthx.


...yeah, I've got nothing else to contribute.

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Originally posted by RJT I read about 5 words before deciding just to post and ask if this kid is really advocating Astrology as a legitimate scientific system?

Yes, but only a certain type of astrology that was handed down to man by two hindu gods... I guess because the gods gave it to people so that they could charge money to reveal the knowledge to other people it's just as valid as physics.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what a load of nonsense. yeah, the planets dictate our lives! hahahahaha.

Ofcourse planets don't dictate our lives. The concept could be a total abstraction of something else, which is then mapped into planets and their positions just like any mathematical transformation. Astrology is big in India. Lot of believers, but 99 out of 100 astrologers are fake to the boot. There are some however, who can simply by looking at your horoscope, hand, foot, face whatever they want to, predict accurately (and I'm not saying generally or vaguely) your personality, incidents of your past life and incidents in the future. How the do it I don't know. But fuck, they can do it. I have had personal experiences and therefore I cannot simply dismiss this as a quack science.

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Originally posted by echosystm you know... you basically come off as a cvnt, but you have NEVER said anything i don't agree with. *high five*

haha. yeah, im a cvnt. but at least i embrace it. i just have no tolerance for superstition in modernity. its ridiculous. I know I could be more polite, or understanding or intelligent (like moral hazard is) with my criticisms, but this isnt an essay, it�s a forum, and the same standards don�t apply. It shits me and I let the world know about it

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Originally posted by Omega_M Ofcourse planets don't dictate our lives. The concept could be a total abstraction of something else, which is then mapped into planets and their positions just like any mathematical transformation. Astrology is big in India. Lot of believers, but 99 out of 100 astrologers are fake to the boot. There are some however, who can simply by looking at your horoscope, hand, foot, face whatever they want to, predict accurately (and I'm not saying generally or vaguely) your personality, incidents of your past life and incidents in the future. How the do it I don't know. But fuck, they can do it. I have had personal experiences and therefore I cannot simply dismiss this as a quack science.

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