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Texas Triangle....lol

what a crock of shit....

PWND!!!

Spurs will win it all. Mark my words

Phoenix over Celtics in a classic 7 game Finals!

nash will finally win his first while shaq will get his 5th...

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Originally posted by Porky Phoenix over Celtics in a classic 7 game Finals! nash will finally win his first while shaq will get his 5th...

Did you post this before or after the suns lost to the Pistons

I love seeing how the east and west playoff picture differ.
8th place team in the west 4.5 games from 1st place
8th place team in the east 24.5 games from 1st place

All I want for Christmas is a Warriors - Lakers series.

New article about what is shown above:
Overall Black Perspective: First Black Man for vogue and they give him the King Kong Look and are dissatisfied
Lebron who did the cover: He liked it

tidbits
Ughh for the Sun
Celtics are happy
Lakers are not
Jazz are the team to beat this sec. If they don't make it deep in the playoffs this year then ughh for them also.
76ers are the comeback team with good salary cap for next season. Maybe the Knicks can learn a thing or two

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Originally posted by Trancealot New article about what is shown above: Overall Black Perspective: First Black Man for vogue and they give him the King Kong Look and are dissatisfied Lebron who did the cover: He liked it

I think the issue is more that Annie Liebovitz (the photographer) always uses a historical picture as the inspiration for her shots... and now there are allegations that she used that one. I don't think that makes her a racist, but it sure doesn't make her publication look good.

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Jazz are the team to beat this sec. If they don't make it deep in the playoffs this year then ughh for them also.

They better hope they have home court. They aren't so great on the road.

Make believe the west does not exist for a second!!
Playoff picture
Good
-Celts(Season to cherish)
-Pistons(True experience team getting ready for the playoffs)

Suprisers
-76ers(won 20 last 27 games)too young to make it far unless they do a 93/94 nuggets
-Atlanta(let's not make it 9 in a row)
from wiki

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With the Golden State Warriors qualifying for the 2007 NBA Playoffs, the Hawks now have the longest tenure in terms of the most consecutive seasons without a playoff appearance. (Eight in a row, see Active NBA non-playoff appearance streaks

Sleepers
-Orlando(I don't see a championship caliber team yet??)
-raptors(Decent players, no Championship)
-washington(When will mr scorealot star playing again

Peace to the playoffs
-nets(Vince is no leader like Kidd was to the Nets)
-Indiana, only team if fights to the end but too little too late it seems

Pistons look good. One thing that they have had trouble with the last few years is depth. Tonight they sat out 3 starters (Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace and Rip Hamilton) and they went down fast, as expected. At one point they were down by 21. With a team this young to fight back and end up winning the game was remarkable. Can't wait for the playoffs.

what can i say about the LEastern conference? there's the celtics, the pistons, the lebrons *cough* sorry the cavs, and then there's the field.

out of the field, the wiz, with arenas returning, may try to bring some drama into the playoffs, but i don't think it's going to be enough. orlando number 3 right now only because they had a strong november and december (22-11 before jan 1, 26-17 after). decent, but their roster looks equipped to take down boston and detroit, and the cavs could outhustle them anytime of the week.

the 76ers, raptors, and hawks are up and down. 76ers looks strong the past couple of weeks, and could carry that momentum into april and possibly may. we'll see ......


as for the beast conference, the western conference, we are talking about houston (6 seed) jumping to the 1 seed easily with 1 strong week, due to them being just 2 1/2 games behind. looking at the western conf standings, i can see utah, dallas, and denver being the easy ones eliminated from the playoffs. they all have strong home records, but history shows teams with a solid away record makes it far in the playoffs. houston has a decent road record, but their past road games against .500+ teams have just been horrible. we'll see what happens to them.

after all this drama, it looks like the obvious western conference 2nd round will be hornets, spurs, lakers, and suns.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch as for the beast conference, the western conference, we are talking about houston (6 seed) jumping to the 1 seed easily with 1 strong week, due to them being just 2 1/2 games behind. looking at the western conf standings, i can see utah, dallas, and denver being the easy ones eliminated from the playoffs. they all have strong home records, but history shows teams with a solid away record makes it far in the playoffs. houston has a decent road record, but their past road games against .500+ teams have just been horrible. we'll see what happens to them.

when you win 20+ in a row you deserve something

When healthy, the Wizards could be the best team in the Eastern Conference. They're so damn deep. And they don't give up much in the starting lineup against Boston at all. Of course, they've only had a handful of games all season with their big three core intact.

tough loss for the suns today. not a good way to wrap up the season going into the playoffs. if they lose early in the playoffs, it's not because of shaq, or the fact he isn't a run n gun type of guy. it's because barbosa and diaw are wearing the labels "overrated" plastered on their foreheads.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch tough loss for the suns today. not a good way to wrap up the season going into the playoffs. if they lose early in the playoffs, it's not because of shaq, or the fact he isn't a run n gun type of guy. it's because barbosa and diaw are wearing the labels "overrated" plastered on their foreheads.

naaaa the suns are going through a rebuilding process. Instead of going young/cheap route they went for the old lazy/20 million route Seems like if anyone in the west lose a game they are out of contention. When the playoffs come it will come down to a team that will 1. let a team beat them four times or 2. make sure those four games will be the hardest of their carrer's. I see lots of good but then I see laziness. I can kind of tell who is who..

East
Good(Celtics, pistons,toronto)
Lazy(orlando washington,philly)
quiet(cleavland, Hope lebron is ready for another nice cup of coffee and 10-20 games non-stop heroism like last year if they make it that far again. Never forget the 4th quarter and OT playoff game against the pistons. That was MJ stauts if you watched!

West
Good(hornets, suns, spurs, utah)
lazy(lakers, houston, golden state, dallas(i.e last year))

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Originally posted by Trancealot East Good(toronto) Lazy(orlando)

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West Good(utah)

The Jazz are 16-22 on the road. Color them done in the Playoffs.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The Jazz are 16-22 on the road. Color them done in the Playoffs.

Good: They are 4th in the west overall so that def counts for something to stay on top of things
Bad: What you said if most of those losses are against superior teams(west and few east)teams on the road then I will agree.

Toronto. ok maybe I get a head of myself but chris bosh and a decent team backup(kapono ) and they had some playoff exp from last year can't hurt. I guess they will be like the nets. Sleepers.

Orlando is my fav team but are they going to win the championship???? If so then I won't complain but still are they going to win it all. Money does not always = rings(see mark cuban) he can buy 100 point game gordita for the arena but no championships.

lakers: Good but Phil gotta keep everyone in line for the one goal.(Kobe is still MJ for games at a time, not MJ for a season) Too much drama and people hurt make me sick when they win 10 in a row and then ish happens and back to square 1 with ref complaints and tech and whatnot

PS. I have not really care about the hornets at all this season but on paper and everytime I watch highlights I see . We will see what the deal is in the playoffs with CP3 and gang because w/o playoff exp they could be a sleeper also.

Don't get me wrong - I think the Jazz are talented, but they collapse on the road which does not bode well for their playoff chances. And I think the Raptors are tragically over-rated - mostly by folks like John Hollinger at ESPN.com... they beat the mediocre teams in the East, fine, but how do they do against teams with winning records? Or when it's tight in the fourth quarter?

And the Magic are young and make mistakes, but they play hard. I really believe that the Eastern Conference next year is going to go:

1. Washington
2. Orlando
3. Boston
4. Detroit

A changing of the guards is in store as Ray Allen and the entire Pistons team gets another year older and the entire Wizards team gets another year of experience (and health hopefully).

1. Boston
2. Detroit
3. Orlando
4. Washington

Why: realistically unless
1. Boston losses their big three
2. Detriot gets real crappy
3. Orlando decides to win and look good for the entire season not just the 1st half
4. Washington, not being mean but the bullets had a better shot
but when arenas comes back(fully) they will have exp. players (jamison and butler but not Garnett and allen type players still)! Great teams have all-star(s) players.Not sub-all stars.

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Originally posted by Trancealot 4. Washington, not being mean but the bullets had a better shot but when arenas comes back(fully) they will have exp. players (jamison and butler but not Garnett and allen type players still)! Great teams have all-star(s) players.Not sub-all stars.

Are you kidding me?

Jamison: 21.5 Points, 10.2 Rebounds per game
Butler: 20.8 Points, 6.8 Rebounds, 4.8 Assists per game (37% from 3, 90% FT)
Arenas (2007): 28.4 Points, 4.6 Rebounds, 6.0 Assists per game (35% from 3, 85% FT)

Garnett: 18.9 Points, 9.4 Rebounds per game
Pierce: 19.9 Points, 5.3 Rebounds, 4.6 Assists per game (38% from 3, 85% FT)
Allen: 18.0 Points, 3.8 Rebounds, 3.1 Assists per game (40% from 3, 90% FT)

Add to that the fact that I'll take DeShawn Stevenson over Rajon Rondo and Brendan Haywood over Kendrick Perkins and you've got a compelling argument for a healthy Wizards team as being just as good as the Celtics. Ray Allen is in decline (in my opinion) and other than sliiiightly better outside shooting, the Celtics don't have much of an advantage.

And then you add the benches and it's no contest. Antonio Daniels, Andray Blatche, Darius Songaila, and Etan Thomas blow away anyone the Celtics bring off the bench (including the geriatric PJ Brown and Sam Cassell who will both be nearer retirement than the peak of their careers next year). Even Nick Young and Roger Mason offer more dynamism than any of the Celtics bench really does.

Beyond the Big 3 there isn't much to the Celtics, and their Big Three is not really any more impressive than the Wizards'.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Are you kidding me? Beyond the Big 3 there isn't much to the Celtics, and their Big Three is not really any more impressive than the Wizards'.

It is obvious that celtics players from last year still around got much better? Now we both know the reason. Those stats you showed meaning nothing. You can say those wizard players had better stats but why a worse record. Shows the big three no matter could score 1 pt, 1 reb, 1ast and if they have the best record in the east I don't care one bit and shows the other players around them do the job.
example. Houston winning streak. Team full of med players and maybe 1 all-star played with heart and no super crazy stats and won. Only the W matters and maybe those wizards have all-star stats but are not true ones leading their team to victory everynight.

Wizard
01-02, 37/45
02-03, 25/57
03-04, 25/57
04-05, 45/37, playoff
05-06, 42,40, playoff
06-07, 41/41, playoff
07-08, 40,37, playoff,now

The did a good rebuilding process since the MJ era but I think they are cooling off. They have a good two years left if they all stay healthy to make it somewhere? The end of the past 4 seasons show woohoo we made the playoffs now what??? I can name about 5 teams exactly the same as the wizards that make the playoffs with their average record and lose in the 2nd round lose bad or swpet.

I am sticking with in my previous post if those things occur then your wizards will be on top.

Added tidbit: Ouch for the Nuggets (151/147 seattle)

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Originally posted by Trancealot You can say those wizard players had better stats but why a worse record. The did a good rebuilding process since the MJ era but I think they are cooling off. They have a good two years left if they all stay healthy to make it somewhere? The end of the past 4 seasons show woohoo we made the playoffs now what??? I can name about 5 teams exactly the same as the wizards that make the playoffs with their average record and lose in the 2nd round lose bad or swpet.

Have you followed this season at ALL? The Wizards have struggled because they've been without their two best players for most of the year! That's like saying "why aren't the Celtics as good when they don't have Paul Pierce AND Kevin Garnett?"

Arenas came back the other night, but now he's out again (probably until the playoffs). He played a grand total of seven games this season before getting hurt. Butler missed sixteen straight games in the middle of the season as well. The Wizards have had maybe eight games all season long with their best three players healthy and on the court. Now Jamison is hurt. So is Stevenson. You simply can't say that the fact they only have 45 wins is a product of them not having the talent. It's their subs that are carrying the team right now!! If this team could stay healthy, they would have the most talent in the East, top to bottom.

As to the team getting better, the Wizards are one of the youngest in the league. Seriously, take a look at their roster. Antonio Daniels and Antawn Jamison are the only two players on the team born before 1980. They have four rookies on the roster this season. We're not talking about old geezers like PJ Brown and Sam Cassell. Andray Blatche and DeShawn Stevenson are going to be effective in the NBA for a long time. This team is going nowhere but up.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Have you followed this season at ALL? The Wizards have struggled because they've been without their two best players for most of the year! That's like saying "why aren't the Celtics as good when they don't have Paul Pierce AND Kevin Garnett?" Arenas came back the other night, but now he's out again (probably until the playoffs). He played a grand total of seven games this season before getting hurt. Butler missed sixteen straight games in the middle of the season as well. The Wizards have had maybe eight games all season long with their best three players healthy and on the court. Now Jamison is hurt. So is Stevenson. You simply can't say that the fact they only have 45 wins is a product of them not having the talent. It's their subs that are carrying the team right now!! If this team could stay healthy, they would have the most talent in the East, top to bottom. As to the team getting better, the Wizards are one of the youngest in the league. Seriously, take a look at their roster. Antonio Daniels and Antawn Jamison are the only two players on the team born before 1980. They have four rookies on the roster this season. We're not talking about old geezers like PJ Brown and Sam Cassell. Andray Blatche and DeShawn Stevenson are going to be effective in the NBA for a long time. This team is going nowhere but up.

"effective in the NBA for a long time" does being effective win championships? Dallas and Suns and Orlando are effective. Where is their ring??

In my eyes. Wizards = Atlanta. Semi decent and will they make it to the eastern finals??? healthy or not.

I am trying to figure out: Next season you expect them to do well like how well?? 50+,60+, conference final??

I expect if healthy: 47 and 2nd round
not healthy 40 and 1st round

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Originally posted by Trancealot "effective in the NBA for a long time" does being effective win championships? Dallas and Suns and Orlando are effective. Where is their ring?? In my eyes. Wizards = Atlanta. Semi decent and will they make it to the eastern finals??? healthy or not. I am trying to figure out: Next season you expect them to do well like how well?? 50+,60+, conference final?? I expect if healthy: 47 and 2nd round not healthy 40 and 1st round

If healthy I'd say 55 and Finals. And if they can re-sign Jamison. Arenas has offered to take a pay cut to clear the cap space needed to re-sign him - if that's not a display of effective leadership I don't know what is. This team wants to remain intact next year to have a shot at winning the whole thing. And they are YOUNG so they will have multiple shots.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov If healthy I'd say 55 and Finals. And if they can re-sign Jamison. Arenas has offered to take a pay cut to clear the cap space needed to re-sign him - if that's not a display of effective leadership I don't know what is. This team wants to remain intact next year to have a shot at winning the whole thing. And they are YOUNG so they will have multiple shots.

Damn you are very very very optimistic then.

Good luck because I am done talking about the hawks I mean wizards . If verndogs agrees with what you said(55 and finals) then I will hate the NBA and learn a new sport like badminton and start an official thread!

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