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^ Are you Spirit5?

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Originally posted by eckmek ^ Are you Spirit5?

Who me? Ofcourse not how did that occured to you?

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Originally posted by paulandrews What? Are you just talking out of your ass or living in a different dimension of reality?

Describing yourself does not count as a rebuttal, sorry.

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And how is it a "fact" that House is the most popular form of EDM in the States? Neither of us have hard evidence to prove that House or Trance is, as a fact, more popular. I have sales charts from Billboard that tell me that Trance albums and singles are out-selling Nine Inch Nails releases, but that's about it.

Since you're so determined to go on pretending that my reference to the fact that the overwhelming amount of non-hiphop clubs play house music, which directly reflects what is more POPULAR (deducing from the fact that clubs play what is more popular), then it is futile for me to keep repeating myself.

However, just remember that any statements resembling "trance is more popular than house in America", sounds about as ludicrous as saying that "House is more popular than hiphop".

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The average American is not going to categorize his/her music with these sub-genres. The average American relates Paul Van Dyk to "Trance", because of the success of "For An Angel", a TRANCE song. The average fan is going to think that Paul Van Dyk has always been known as a TRANCE artist, therefore they will label the new material as TRANCE, regardless of what we will call the new track.

Why the sudden shift in gear? I thought we just got done covering that it's not as common for the average american to categorize any of these styles as "house", let alone trance - and that they are more likely to just call it techno?

This discussion has much less to do with what people call the genres, as opposed to which style - trance or house (according to general definitions) - is the more dominant (popular) style of EDM in America. And as the facts have thus far shown, house is. I mean, if we wanted to get technical here, we could argue that those songs are neither trance nor house, but that would be a complete bypass of the point I'm trying to make here, which is the persecution of trance music as being "more popular" or "cheesy" over house music, when the reality is just exactly the opposite.

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Also, discogs is a place for people like you and I, who care about sorting our music by sub-genres et all. The average music fan's relationship with an artist starts and ends either at the retailer, or on the artists' official websites (and Myspace nowadays), or on P2P programs. Let me repeat, TA does not represent the average listener. Very very few people outside of our communities try to hunt down every single version of every song that their favorite artist put out, or go into painstaking detail about sorting their tracks, or spend hours each week listing to the DJ's livesets and trying to ID tracks from them. The average fan will buy the CD, put it in the car or iPod, and be done with it!

And if we pretended for just one moment that Cascada's latest track IS actually, according to all sources, trance, do you really expect that song to get more spins at a club than Rihanna's "Don't Stop The Music"?

To find even more evidence supporting the reality that "house is more popular than trance", you need to look no further than the blazing fact that every pop song, from Beyonce to Rihanna to Nelly Furtado to Justin Timberlake, all get a host of "house remix" treatments. You'll rarely (if at all) find a trance remix of ANY of these songs that will be played in a club.

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Where's your evidence that "Call On Me" has sold more copies than "Silence" or "For An Angel" or "9PM [Till I Come]"? Rihanna is not House music, and none of the House tracks that have been big hits have done quite as well as the Trance anthems from 1999.

Forgive me for finding it most hilarious that you would ask me for evidence that "call on me" has sold more copies than the examples you provided, and yet turn around and give me a purportedly factual statement about how no house tracks have done as well as the trance anthems from 99 - without providing proof consistent with your own criteria. And all this, while going on your merry way pretending that my reference to the popularity of house as a staple club music(which far exceeds the presence that trance is able to sneak in every now and then), holds absolutely no merit. Mindblowing!

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Rihanna is not House music

Rihanna's "Don't Stop The Music", IS HOUSE (and needless to say, a desperately cheesy interpretation), like it or not.

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(For the record, I am a much bigger fan of House than Trance. If it seems like I'm bashing the genre, I'm not.)

Oh don't worry, I could have guessed that by virtue of the fact that you are quite determined [and desperate, I might add] to ensure that "trance" receives the bigger title of "pop" way before your pet-style "house" does.

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What about the albums chart? Surely the strong sales of ISOS and Oakie's Greatest Hits prove my point. And don't even try to tellme that ISOS is not a Trance comp. Heck, Ultra.2008 probably has some Trance tracks on it, but I decided not to count that one due to it covering a spectrum of commercial EDM.

Would you try to sit here with me and actually deny that Tiesto, PVD, and AVB have been consistently and progressively including more house in their compilations, spinning it at events, and even producing it?

I think you better face up to the fact that "HOUSE" is "IN" right now. Even Sensation White, which used to play a lot more trance, has totally gone for the more housey sound...

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What the music actually sounds like is irrelevant. I'm talking about the labels that the masses use here.

So now that you've conceded that house music is more popular in clubs, are you trying to tell me that more people "KNOW" what trance is in america than they do "house"? Like, what exactly are you trying to say?

Because, if I'm not hallucinating, you just got done telling me that the masses are for more likely to call trance or anything they few as "electronic dance music" "techno". And if you would like to stick with that, I would have to say that I completely agree with you.

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Originally posted by chadi Describing yourself does not count as a rebuttal, sorry. Since you're so determined to go on pretending that my reference to the fact that the overwhelming amount of non-hiphop clubs play house music, which directly reflects what is more POPULAR, then it is futile for me to keep repeating myself. However, just remember that any statements resembling "trance is more popular than house in America", sounds about as ludicrous as saying that "House is more popular than hiphop". Why the sudden shift in gear? I thought we just got done covering that it's not as common for the average american to categorize any of these styles as "house", let alone trance - and that they are more likely to just call it techno? This discussion has much less to do with what people call the genres, as opposed to which style - trance or house (according to general definitions) - is the more dominant (popular) style of EDM in America. And as the facts have thus far shown, house is. I mean, if we wanted to get technical here, we could argue that those songs are neither trance nor house, but that would be a complete bypass of the point I'm trying to make here, which is the persecution of trance music as being "more popular" or "cheesy" over house music, when the reality is just exactly the opposite. And if we pretended for just one moment that Cascada's latest track IS actually, according to all sources, trance, do you really expect that song to get more spins at a club than Rihanna's "Don't Stop The Music"? To find even more evidence supporting the reality that "house is more popular than trance", you need to look no further than the blazing fact that every pop song, from Beyonce to Rihanna to Nelly Furtado to Justin Timberlake, all get a host of "house remix" treatments. You'll rarely (if at all) find a trance remix of ANY of these songs that will be played in a club. Forgive me for finding it most hilarious that you would ask me for evidence that "call on me" has sold more copies than the examples you provided, and yet turn around and give me a purportedly factual statement about how no house tracks have done as well as the trance anthems from 99 - without providing proof consistent with your own criteria. And all this, while going on your merry way pretending that my reference to the popularity of house as a staple club music(which far exceeds the presence that trance is able to sneak in every now and then), holds absolutely no merit. Mindblowing! Rihanna's "Don't Stop The Music", IS HOUSE (and needless to say, a desperately cheesy interpretation), like it or not. Oh don't worry, I could have guessed that by virtue of the fact that you are quite determined [and desperate, I might add] to ensure that "trance" receives the bigger title of "pop" way before your pet-style "house" does. Would you try to sit here with me and actually deny that Tiesto, PVD, and AVB have been consistently and progressively including more house in their compilations, spinning it at events, and even producing it? I think you better face up to the fact that "HOUSE" is "IN" right now. Even Sensation White, which used to play a lot more trance, has totally gone for the more housey sound... So now that you've conceded that house music is more popular in clubs, are you trying to tell me that more people "KNOW" what trance is than they do "house"? Because, if I'm not hallucinating, you just got done telling me that the masses call trance "techno". And if you would like to stick with that, I would have to say that I completely agree with you.

Wow, so much effort for something no one will read.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Wow, so much effort for something no one will read.

I love pointless responses, they make threads look so popular.

...now, let's dance to some fab house!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xsRWpK4pf90

chadi has perpetually shown himself to be one of the most ignorant, least educated posters on this board. This is even after he changed names. I would just stop arguing, you'll save yourself a headache.

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Originally posted by UWM chadi has perpetually shown himself to be one of the most ignorant, least educated posters on this board. This is even after he changed names. I would just stop arguing, you'll save yourself a headache.

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Because I would rather lose my life than concede a point, it is necessary that I resort to my traditional ad hominem tactics in order to secure my own self-worth on this board.

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but i like 80s synth-POP/new-wave e.g. A Flock of Seagulls, OMD, Depeche Mode, Ultravox, New Order etc. they all rulled!

Hehe...I think I must agree. How about Alphaville?

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Originally posted by HaeD I'm trying to post something smart in this thread, but i can't.

try 2+2=4, that's a good opener to let people know they should listen to you
oh or you can just insult people...that works too

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Originally posted by hkaliher try 2+2=4, that's a good opener to let people know they should listen to you oh or you can just insult people...that works too

YOU DOUCHEBAG, you're OBVIOUSLY the least intelligent, most ignorant and least educated person on this board, I mean, look! You can't even get BASIC math right! Are you a smurf or something?

N00B!

Internet, srsz busynez.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Internet, srsz busynez.

And you're an idiot too!

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Originally posted by chadi And you're an idiot too!

Sure.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Sure.

I think you're just trying to get your post count up.

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Originally posted by UWM chadi has perpetually shown himself to be one of the most ignorant, least educated posters on this board. This is even after he changed names. I would just stop arguing, you'll save yourself a headache.

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Wow. Just wow at your argument.

1st off, I've said all along that Trance SELLS more than House

SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES

And chadi, a "fact" is something that can be proven with hard numbers. Stop saying that "more clubs play House music" is a fact until you can PROVE IT.

And what's being played in those clubs are not translating into what is more popular, actual SALES tell the labels what is popular. No one in the biz gives a rat's ass that there are tons of House clubs in the US, but they do care that units of product labelled as "Trance" is moving. A House fan is nothing to the labels is he/she isn't BUYING the tunes!

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Forgive me for finding it most hilarious that you would ask me for evidence that "call on me" has sold more copies than the examples you provided, and yet turn around and give me a purportedly factual statement about how no house tracks have done as well as the trance anthems from 99 - without providing proof consistent with your own criteria. And all this, while going on your merry way pretending that my reference to the popularity of house as a staple club music(which far exceeds the presence that trance is able to sneak in every now and then), holds absolutely no merit. Mindblowing!

Why should I? You have brought nothing of factual merit to the table, while I went out of my way to find FACTUAL data that Trance is on the charts here. A bunch of guesses and generalizations are not going to convince me of anything. Show me the sales numbers. You can do it!

Yes, I do expect that Cascada track to be played as often, if not more often, than the Rihanna track, depending on which club its played in. In a Top40 club, no, but in a gay club, very much yes.

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I mean, if we wanted to get technical here, we could argue that those songs are neither trance nor house, but that would be a complete bypass of the point I'm trying to make here, which is the persecution of trance music as being "more popular" or "cheesy" over house music, when the reality is just exactly the opposite.

And when did "cheesy" enter this argument?

You think I have some sort of axe to grind over Trance music. I don't. I think you are just arguing with me at this point, with hard sales data put in front of you, so that you can "save face" over whatever big-name Trance DJ you like. I don't care who you listen to, and I think that you shouldn't be so insecure about your music tastes. However, don't think that your love of [insert big-name jock here] is special, or unique in any way. See those 5000 other people at the venue? Yeah, they're all there for the exact same reason that you are.

Get over it. Music is meant to be shared with others. If you have different preferences over what you like, then fine. But don't try to dispute FACTS to cover your favorite mega-popular marketing machine's ass.

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To find even more evidence supporting the reality that "house is more popular than trance", you need to look no further than the blazing fact that every pop song, from Beyonce to Rihanna to Nelly Furtado to Justin Timberlake, all get a host of "house remix" treatments. You'll rarely (if at all) find a trance remix of ANY of these songs that will be played in a club.

Yeah, we already covered that. Circuit House? Check.

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Oh don't worry, I could have guessed that by virtue of the fact that you are quite determined [and desperate, I might add] to ensure that "trance" receives the bigger title of "pop" way before your pet-style "house" does.

I don't give a shit what you think about my music. I'm not here to grow a bigger e-penis than you. So here, enjoy some of my favorite J-Pop songs from artists that have went Gold, Platinum, or better, had tons of MTV-J coverage, endorsements, etc:







I'll pull out the Happy Hardcore and Eurodance too anytime

I think that it is you who is trying to cover your precious Trance music. Trance IS very popular music, no matter what you try to say to the contrary. Instead of trying to write off your corporate heroes as underground, unpopular artists, stop being so insecure about your music. You should be proud of what you listen to, no matter what I or anyone else thinks about it, instead of trying to defend it against people who simply don't care.

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Would you try to sit here with me and actually deny that Tiesto, PVD, and AVB have been consistently and progressively including more house in their compilations, spinning it at events, and even producing it?

If 3+ minute breakdowns, supersaw synths, and cheesy female vocals on top of some synthetic strings is House music, then yes, they are moving towards House music. But that's not the House that Jack built, or the House that I know. Don't assume that your definition of House is the definition that I, or the public, is going by.

And for the record, the only thing about the big Trance jocks that I care is the way that they are warping our EDM scene into a big commercial tie-in. EDM is better than to be relegated to background music on a TV show or fitness music.

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So now that you've conceded that house music is more popular in clubs, are you trying to tell me that more people "KNOW" what trance is than they do "house"?

Yeah, its called inference. I am inferring that even though there are tons of House clubs present in the US, that Trance is still more popular than House because of the higher sales of Trance (as evidenced by those charts) than House. More sales = more knowledge of music by buyers = more popularity. I would have thought that club play would have made a better correlation with what was on the charts, but apparently (with the exception of Circuit House)I was wrong. UWM also made the point that the big Trance jocks need larger venues to fill with the masses that will pay $40 to see them, while the biggest House DJs play in much smaller venues (in the US).

C0r version of my argument: Music that sells more is music that is popular. Therefore, Trance is more popular because more Trance is sold than other types of EDM.

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 C0r version of my argument: Music that sells more is music that is popular. Therefore, Trance is more popular because more Trance is sold than other types of EDM.

thank you kind sir.

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Originally posted by chadi YOU DOUCHEBAG, you're OBVIOUSLY the least intelligent, most ignorant and least educated person on this board, I mean, look! You can't even get BASIC math right! Are you a smurf or something? N00B!

YES! Now I'm listening!

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Originally posted by chadi This is exactly the semantic subterfuge I'm referring to. You are consistently failing to acknowledge my statement as true, without wishing to indict yourself by unequivocally stating the opposite. \

DUDE this guy is so smart! listen to those big words...he must know what hes talking about!

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 +1 Wow. Just wow at your argument. [quote]1st off, I've said all along that Trance SELLS more than House

Actually, that was a convenient afterthought, but nice try!

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SALES SALES SALES SALES And chadi, a "fact" is something that can be proven with hard numbers.

You just love going in circles don't you? Can I see some "data" for this? I mean, you didn't possibly think for one second that you're somehow exempted from meeting up to the same standard of corroborative excellence that you're requiring of me, or did you?

But being the innovator that I am, I've got a fabulous idea for you. Since you don't believe that anything can be asserted (not even that George Washington existed) without some solid, unambiguous data to prove it, then how about you set the example and give me even a shred of data to back up the "fact" that trance sells more than house. Please, show me these "hard numbers".

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Stop saying that "more clubs play House music" is a fact until you can PROVE IT.

Is that tantamount to a recantation then? See below:

"The bottom line is that even though House rules the clubs, Trance rules the retail end of EDM."--Dojomaster26 (emphasis, mine)

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And what's being played in those clubs are not translating into what is more popular, actual SALES tell the labels what is popular. No one in the biz gives a rat's ass that there are tons of House clubs in the US, but they do care that units of product labelled as "Trance" is moving. A House fan is nothing to the labels is he/she isn't BUYING the tunes!

Should I hold my breath until you give me some evidence for this? Even an itty itty bitty?

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Why should I? You have brought nothing of factual merit to the table, while I went out of my way to find FACTUAL data that Trance is on the charts here. A bunch of guesses and generalizations are not going to convince me of anything. Show me the sales numbers. You can do it!

But I did actually bring up some good points which support my position. However, your choosing to accept it, I will admit, has been more of a challenge than anything else this little bit of discord has had to offer.

It's a shame we had to go all the way back to round one.

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Yes, I do expect that Cascada track to be played as often, if not more often, than the Rihanna track, depending on which club its played in. In a Top40 club, no, but in a gay club, very much yes.

Do you think you've been to more gay clubs than I have, or did you just feel like you needed to say something in response?

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And when did "cheesy" enter this argument? You think I have some sort of axe to grind over Trance music. I don't. I think you are just arguing with me at this point, with hard sales data put in front of you, so that you can "save face" over whatever big-name Trance DJ you like. I don't care who you listen to, and I think that you shouldn't be so insecure about your music tastes. However, don't think that your love of [insert big-name jock here] is special, or unique in any way. See those 5000 other people at the venue? Yeah, they're all there for the exact same reason that you are. Get over it. Music is meant to be shared with others. If you have different preferences over what you like, then fine. But don't try to dispute FACTS to cover your favorite mega-popular marketing machine's ass.

Oh come on! Now you're just blowing smoke. But before I let you more successfully muddle the nature of our original dispute, I will reiterate for you what my original contention was:

It is a common practice by some people on this board to make blanket statements about "trance" being "pop" because of how commercialized it's become, while unilaterally ignoring the fact that other EDM subgenres, including House have also become victims of this same commercialization.

So to constantly point a finger at trance by calling it the "poppiest" form of EDM (while acting as though all the other subgenres remain untainted), is just flat out stupid, and shows that the person making the statement couldn't be more misinformed.

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I don't give a shit what you think about my music. I'm not here to grow a bigger e-penis than you. So here, enjoy some of my favorite J-Pop songs from artists that have went Gold, Platinum, or better, had tons of MTV-J coverage, endorsements, etc:

More smoke and mirrors...bla bla bla. Why don't you just address the points at hand instead of spewing this verbal diarrhea ad nauseumn?

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I think that it is you who is trying to cover your precious Trance music. Trance IS very popular music, no matter what you try to say to the contrary. Instead of trying to write off your corporate heroes as underground, unpopular artists, stop being so insecure about your music. You should be proud of what you listen to, no matter what I or anyone else thinks about it, instead of trying to defend it against people who simply don't care.

Actually, my daddy CAN beat up your daddy!

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If 3+ minute breakdowns, supersaw synths, and cheesy female vocals on top of some synthetic strings is House music, then yes, they are moving towards House music. But that's not the House that Jack built, or the House that I know. Don't assume that your definition of House is the definition that I, or the public, is going by.

Again, this has nothing to do with our personal definitions. It has to do specifically with trance and house as they have been defined by generally accepted sources. You didn't create "house" and I didn't create "trance", we just have perceptions of what we feel should propery represent what we want to identify with.

Point is, don't glee over "trance" looking like britney spears when "house" looks like paris hilton. (You might remember my earlier reference about it).

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Yeah, its called inference. I am inferring that even though there are tons of House clubs present in the US, that Trance is still more popular than House because of the higher sales of Trance (as evidenced by those charts) than House. More sales = more knowledge of music by buyers = more popularity. I would have thought that club play would have made a better correlation with what was on the charts, but apparently (with the exception of Circuit House)I was wrong. UWM also made the point that the big Trance jocks need larger venues to fill with the masses that will pay $40 to see them, while the biggest House DJs play in much smaller venues (in the US).

But if, for one second, you expect me to believe that the snapshot "chart" you offered me is an evidence that trance outsells house music, you are more of a fruitcake than I initially thought.

That being said, did you know that incessantly repeating a non-truth never affords it any merit?

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C0r version of my argument: Music that sells more is music that is popular. Therefore, Trance is more popular because more Trance is sold than other types of EDM.

C0r version of my rebuttal: You have yet to offer me even a shred of data consistent with your own demands that I provide you with some solid evidence to support my claims that house music is "far more popular in America than trance is."

You have also failed to demonstrate any consistency argumentatively by first admitting [after losing corners to hide in] that house music is indeed more popular in the club scene, and then totally attempting to deny it in your subsequent reply.

I gave you data. You are choosing not to accept it as fact, when Billboard is, and has been for over 50 years, the undisputed leader in reporting retail sales of records.

Can you read a chart? Its really easy to see that, because Oakie's disc was higher on the chart than NIN, that Oakie's album sold more copies than NIN. That's all there is to it. If you want the actual numbers, then shell out the money to get them.

You keep tossing the word "fact" around like you're the undisputed expert on all things EDM. Why then, o high and mighty, can't you put a single sentence of evidence from ANYWHERE to support your claims? Not even a quote from one of your heroes?

You're arguing skills are pathetic since you can't back up anything that you are saying. No evidence = no credibility. I gave you proof that Trance was on the charts, now where's your proof otherwise?

Do you even know what a gay club is? Does the word "circuit" mean ANYTHING to you?!?

Oh, and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that Trance was the "poppiest" genre. I said it was the most popular EDM non-Hip-Hop genre in the US, and so far you've said nothing that holds any weight against that.

The fact is that I DID address the points at hand, yet you choose to blow off the FACTS just for the sake of continued argument. You keep blowing smoke...we're all ears

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It has to do specifically with trance and house as they have been defined by generally accepted sources.

Name your so-called accepted sources. Yahoo Music?

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That being said, did you know that incessantly repeating a non-truth does not add merit to it?

Are you saying that Billboard is wrong? So find some charts to prove me wrong.

No matter what you say isn't going to have any merit until you present some facts. That chart is accurate, whether you believe it or not.

I don't care what Trance or House "looks" like. I use my ears to judge my music.

You, however, need to re-assure yourself of your self-worth by continuing to bicker about something that in the end is not going to change anything about your music. If you have nothing more of substance to say, then I suggest you leave this thread and stop wasting your time.

EDIT: I stick to my guns. House IS more popular in the club scene. I'm talking about sales (I thought the big font would help you notice that). Nobody in the industry gives a fuck if 10,000,000 people listened to House if the Trance records still sell more than it.

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Originally posted by chadi I love pointless responses

Obviously.

that was one of ur best

how does chadi have time to post such well thought out responses and still eat food and go to work? he must just be that awsome. seriously dude you have written a book in this thread...

sometimes i wonder whether or not people on these forums are real people with lives because of the endless posting they take part in.

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 I gave you data. You are choosing not to accept it as fact, when Billboard is, and has been for over 50 years, the undisputed leader in reporting retail sales of records.

Okay so let me get this straight. You're saying that because a Cascada song is #1 on the charts right now, that this is, therefore, EVIDENCE for your assertion that trance music consistently outsells house music?

(Of course, we can even try to ignore the damaging little fact that the two examples you gave are considered primarily "house" by at least one generally accepted source)

Are you for real?

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You keep tossing the word "fact" around like you're the undisputed expert on all things EDM. Why then, o high and mighty, can't you put a single sentence of evidence from ANYWHERE to support your claims? Not even a quote from one of your heroes?

Actually, I indicated to you right at the beginning of my last reply that I didn't believe hard numbers were necessary for every claim being made, but YOU, on the other hand, did very clearly make it known to me that any fact I reference must be supported by hard numbers.


I guess I was being naive to assume that you would at least provide the very same kind of data you were looking for from me? Instead, you give me some current popchart that has a couple "house" songs on it as proof that "silence" and "for an angel" have sold more than any house track!? All besides the point of course, that this has nothing to do with past glories as much as what the scene looks like today.

Your arguments seem to be getting more farcical by the minute.

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I gave you proof that Trance was on the charts, now where's your proof otherwise?

I asked you for proof of your statement that "trance" outsells "house",...not your snapshot travesty chart. Now show me the hard numbers before you make yourself look any more asinine.

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Do you even know what a gay club is? Does the word "circuit" mean ANYTHING to you?!?

You're gay right? So you would know?

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Oh, and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that Trance was the "poppiest" genre. I said it was the most popular EDM non-Hip-Hop genre in the US, and so far you've said nothing that holds any weight against that.

First off, I don't recall my initial point being specifically for you, nevertheless, if you are going to end up saying it now, I guess it doesn't make any difference does it?

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The fact is that I DID address the points at hand, yet you choose to blow off the FACTS just for the sake of continued argument. You keep blowing smoke...we're all ears

All of your rubbish aside, let's talk about one fact I stated that you completely ignored:

Every fairly recent hit hiphop/pop song delivered by artists such as Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, Rihanna and Nelly Furtado (to give you a small example) has received at least several house remixes by various DJs specifically for club-friendly purposes. Can you tell me why, if trance is more popular in clubs, none of these songs are getting a trance remix?

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Are you saying that Billboard is wrong? So find some charts to prove me wrong.

That billboard is wrong about...., what exactly now?

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No matter what you say isn't going to have any merit until you present some facts. That chart is accurate, whether you believe it or not.

Did I ever say the chart wasn't accurate? Please don't confuse that with me asking you for hardcore facts (only because you demanded me to give you some to support my statement that house is far more popular in america than trance) to support your claim that trance consistently OUTSELLS house music.

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You, however, need to re-assure yourself of your self-worth by continuing to bicker about something that in the end is not going to change anything about your music. If you have nothing more of substance to say, then I suggest you leave this thread and stop wasting your time.

Were you thinking that I'm trying to change something about trance or house music?--other than, of course the fact that I would make both of them a lot more underground. I think you're becoming an expert at fabricating things as you go.

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EDIT: I stick to my guns. House IS more popular in the club scene. I'm talking about sales (I thought the big font would help you notice that). Nobody in the industry gives a fuck if 10,000,000 people listened to House if the Trance records still sell more than it.

LOL. House being more popular in the club scene is completely separate from your assertion that trance has more sales...your verbal gymnastics are outstanding.

Now as far as your claim that trance sells more records, I'm still waiting for you to give me some proof of this with some hard numbers (And don't let me have to remind you for the 50th time that your little snapshot chart with a couple house/trance songs doesn't amount to a hill of beans).

At least I offered you some logic, even if not the most statistically compelling, but you've offered neither!

Bottom Line:

Clubs play what is most popular. Since house is played more in clubs than trance is, we can reasonably deduce that house is a more popular style of EDM in America, in the very same way that hiphop�s overall popularity is reflected by how it has a dominant presence in the club scene.


*yawn*

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Originally posted by HaeD that was one of ur best

No matter how chagrining, I must concur.

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Originally posted by piku303 how does chadi have time to post such well thought out responses and still eat food and go to work? he must just be that awsome. seriously dude you have written a book in this thread... sometimes i wonder whether or not people on these forums are real people with lives because of the endless posting they take part in.

First off, those aren't what I would call "well thought out responses".

Secondly, I own my own business and therefore being my own boss gives me the flexibiliy to waste a little time squabbling over something that won't matter in two days. Did it ever occur to you that not all of us are scraping the barrel trying to survive?

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