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Originally posted by noikeee For a start, let me say I'm in the clear since I never was up Radioslave's bum. Now that's settled, here's my take on this: I think people love to say what they want in music is originality, but that's not strictly true. What people like in music is certain elements that appeal to them in some way - and they learn over time to add new elements to the "list" of things they like. Similarly, they can also get sick to death of certain elements if they hear them too often. There are two things that lead people to think originality in music is everything: first, when a track is appealing AND sounds fresh to them in some way, that fact magnifies the experience they get from listening to it. Second, making original music is harder than making formulatic music, therefore the producers who manage to come up with some of it have more merit. People take these two things and rationalize them to think what they want in music is originality. In reality, they can love just as much an original track as something completely formulatic. That's what happens with these producers - Radio Slave appeals to a lot of people here, who like looped, techy, dark music. Deadmau5 doesn't, because they're sick to death of that kind of in-your-face happy melodies, and his tracks generate a cheap feeling in their minds (that's my opinion). Most people HAVE liked this kind of music, but haven't gotten sick of the Radio Slave looped kind of thing. *Yet* - although there's a chance they might never get sick of it. And since they like it, they think - well if I like it, I guess it must be because it's original! So they go search for every little detail in the music that sounds just slightly different to all the other 50 previous releases, and argue in music forums that those details make all the "originality". Not different from how epic trance fans will get all excited, when their fav producer uses a 32-bar melody instead of his usual 16-bar melody. Must be forward thinking! So to summarize: I agree with RJT's general line of thought, and managed to write a shitload of words for basically nothing.

Thanks loads for the long post - if anything I think you definitely hit on the similar kind of psychological reaction I was inclined to think drives this kind of thing. It isn't as if it's a small thing either - everyone's gone through it in one way or another.



As fun as this whole little voyage has been, I'm glad to see so much of it is actually somewhat relevant to the discussion, or at least worked toward resolving some misunderstandings. I'm going to leave it open, but if Tony closes it I won't be shocked.

Tony ? You mean montana ? I thought Bertie-Ahern was the new MD mod ?

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Originally posted by julien2 Tony ? You mean montana ? I thought Bertie-Ahern was the new MD mod ?

(Moderated by: montana, Allied Nations, Swamper, Floorfiller)

Good grief, lads.

Good fucking grief.

nice to see I'm not the only one who things Radio Slave is boring. His remix of Slam - Azure for example. I've just never found anything of his really that jumps out at me.

EXCEPT the amazing 'Next Stop Chicago'

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Originally posted by RJT the Dead Souls remix are pants.

We're no longer friends.

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Originally posted by UWM We're no longer friends.

+1, how did I miss that!

It's not even Radio Slave that makes me not like it - I just cringe any time I hear those vocals*.

*I have only heard it on headphones in my mom's basement and have no frame of reference as to whether it "works in a club." My bike was stolen so I haven't been to the club in ages.

Sunday School 11am in front of a wall of speakers > anywhere you've ever heard anything

As was previously stated, I'm just not capable of that kind of shit anymore.

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Originally posted by UWM We're no longer friends.

Hey guys! What did I miss?

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Originally posted by Clovis Sunday School 11am in front of a wall of speakers > anywhere you've ever heard anything

I can vouch for this. Especially Panoramix. I almost died.

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Originally posted by UWM I can vouch for this. Especially Panoramix. I almost died.

^5

can't believe I fucking read ALL of that...

supposed to be writing my paper that's due next class in 10 minutes, lol.

fucking love it.

someone get a c0r version going...

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Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs someone get a c0r version going...

"Yes"
"No"
"Yes"
"Fuck you"
Repeat 50 times.

yet another great thread with deadmau5 involved

kudos to you, ar-yay-tee

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery "Yes" "No" "Yes" "Fuck you" Repeat 50 times.

That pretty much sums it up.

deadmau5>>>radioslave



but thats just my opinion..



but i agree wit what you said.. i think a lot of it has to do with the crowds that deadmau5 and radioslave cater to.

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Originally posted by LoveHate deadmau5>>>radioslave but thats just my opinion.. but i agree wit what you said.. i think a lot of it has to do with the crowds that deadmau5 and radioslave cater to.

Radio Slave is not catering to anyone but himself.

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Originally posted by Clovis (Moderated by: montana, Allied Nations, Swamper, Floorfiller)

lol, that too was a joke (i guess the internet > sarcasm). So whatever happened to that dimwit Bertie-Ahern ?

This thread is epitome of Blasphemy.

someone launch me into the ionosphere, get me outta here.

What a pointless thread.

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Originally posted by LoveHate deadmau5>>>radioslave but thats just my opinion..

your opinion is wrong

When you read a book or listen to music, you often know immediately who wrote the book or made the tune. That little thing is called "style". Both "S0ur1s m0rt3" and "Radio Esclave" have their own. But sometimes, when you produce "in your style" it can be seen as boring, just like here. Why? Imho in that case it's because their conceptions of the "borders" of the style is closed. I mean, they will prefer use the same sound or the same composition process instead of looking for something new. A good example is Kosmas Epsilon. Listen to All is heaven and to his latest stuff (like his remix of Heatsteric on otb). The drums are dramatically different, but you know that kosmas made it.

Dunno if I'm clear enough, I'm still a bit drunk.

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