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Originally posted by XaNaX Actually all the recent decisions from the Circuit courts have been in favor of the individual rights theory. In fact, this quote came from the majority decision in Parker v. District of Columbia: "In determining whether the Second Amendment�s guarantee is an individual one, or some sort of collective right, the most important word is the one the drafters chose to describe the holders of the right��the people.� That term is found in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. It has never been doubted that these provisions were designed to protect the interests of individuals against government intrusion, interference, or usurpation. We also note that the Tenth Amendment��The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people��indicates that the authors of the Bill of Rights were perfectly capable of distinguishing between �the people,� on the one hand, and �the states,� on the other. The natural reading of �the right of the people� in the Second Amendment would accord with usage elsewhere in the Bill of Rights." Seems pretty clear to me that the courts understand that the writers of the 2nd Amendment intended for the individual to have the right to own a gun. Maybe instead of more worthless anti-gun laws we should look at Switzerland. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the entire world and a large number of them are military style "assult" weapons. In 2006 there were all of 34 recorded killings involving firearms in a population of 7.5 million people and its overall crime rate is very low by international standards. Why so few gun crimes in a country with so many guns? If you listen to the logic of gun control advocates in the US you would think the number of shootings in a country with near universal gun ownership would be off the charts. However that doesn't turn out to be the case, probably because criminals are much less likely to attack someone in there home when there is an almost 100% chance that the occupant will have multiple guns and be trained in their use.

that was the decisions from the federal circuit, easily the most conservative circuit in the whole judiciary. it's been a while since con law, but i'm pretty sure 10 of the 12 (i mistakenly said 11 of 13 - that's what happens when you operate through agencies, you forget basic shit) hold that the right is an aggregate right.

switzerland's wealth is also much more easily dispersed. They don't have the kind of poverty that is present in US cities. If switzerland had south central LA's, east new york's, etc... you would certainly see an increase in gun violence. why don't you cite how much gun violence there is in parts of africa where you can easily buy a gun yet people live in poverty? Comparing europe to the US is like comparing apples to oranges. They don't have the same degree of social divides that we do. It's interesting that you cited the crack wars as a reason for gun violence but conveniently left out the part that switzerland social divide is not nearly as pronounced as ours.

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Originally posted by aNYthing God bless 2nd amendment!

Ah yes, the Beretta M92 FS (or the M9 to us). An excellent handgun, very reliable (If you use factory magazines or good ones from Magpull), very accurate and its heavy weight makes it ideal for the pistol whip. Here's mine:

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Originally posted by nchs09 My fav gun in the game i play\

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Originally posted by SteelWolf Ah yes, the Beretta M92 FS (or the M9 to us). An excellent handgun, very reliable (If you use factory magazines or good ones from Magpull), very accurate and its heavy weight makes it ideal for the pistol whip. Here's mine:

not the best concealed carry weapon though, very bulky. personally, I get much better results with my USP40 - really amazing. I like it much better than beretta in every way - ballance, grip, control, and size. Even with a shorter barrel length I get much better grouping with it at the same distance (25 yds). Also, my understanding that SEALs are all about the H&K. Their .45 full sized handgun is like a friggin laserbeam. I had a competition with my buddies - one has sig 225, another one Walther P99, another one has a Glock. We used same distance and went 3 times, full clip, with each weapon. Each and every single one of us had pretty close results with the H&K - it was most accurate and nicest feeling.

Plus my undrestanding is that it's manufactured to withhold harsh conditions, dirt, sand, salt water, etc. Since I'm quite happy with USP (and use it most), I am actually thinking of selling my 92fs and getting a cougar or a desert eagle.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 that was the decisions from the federal circuit, easily the most conservative circuit in the whole judiciary. it's been a while since con law, but i'm pretty sure 10 of the 12 (i mistakenly said 11 of 13 - that's what happens when you operate through agencies, you forget basic shit) hold that the right is an aggregate right. switzerland's wealth is also much more easily dispersed. They don't have the kind of poverty that is present in US cities. If switzerland had south central LA's, east new york's, etc... you would certainly see an increase in gun violence. why don't you cite how much gun violence there is in parts of africa where you can easily buy a gun yet people live in poverty? Comparing europe to the US is like comparing apples to oranges. They don't have the same degree of social divides that we do. It's interesting that you cited the crack wars as a reason for gun violence but conveniently left out the part that switzerland social divide is not nearly as pronounced as ours.

+1 - in order to compare statistics, the sample has to be at least somewhat similar in nature.

And I agree on the uniformity of gun control laws. As I said earlier, DC's gun laws have been made somewhat ineffectual due to the proliferation of gun shops and gun fairs within a fifteen mile radius in Prince Georges (MD) and Prince William (VA) counties. If people couldn't hop on the bus and get a gun across the border, gun ownership in DC would drop precipitously.

As to the eighteen years of rising gun crime - I agree that some of that is due to increasing demographic pressure (poverty/drug usage). But I do believe that gun control laws take a considerable amount of time to become effectual - in part because there is no uniformity and in part because there is no way to regulate guns that are already in private possession. In my opinion, that is the greatest challenge - regulating what has already been sold.

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Originally posted by Krypton See, that's sexual stress. I'm talking about anger/work stress. Unleash the alpha male inside. Every guy has it. Every guy should embrace their alpha male...

go to the gym and wail on a punching bag. much better stress reliever and less psychotic

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov In my opinion, that is the greatest challenge - regulating what has already been sold.

Well, assuming congress could pass a law forcing every state to require registration of firearms, regulating guns that are already in the marketplace, is easy to do.

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Originally posted by aNYthing not the best concealed carry weapon though, very bulky. personally, I get much better results with my USP40 - really amazing. I like it much better than beretta in every way - ballance, grip, control, and size. Even with a shorter barrel length I get much better grouping with it at the same distance (25 yds). Also, my understanding that SEALs are all about the H&K. Their .45 full sized handgun is like a friggin laserbeam. I had a competition with my buddies - one has sig 225, another one Walther P99, another one has a Glock. We used same distance and went 3 times, full clip, with each weapon. Each and every single one of us had pretty close results with the H&K - it was most accurate and nicest feeling. Plus my undrestanding is that it's manufactured to withhold harsh conditions, dirt, sand, salt water, etc. Since I'm quite happy with USP (and use it most), I am actually thinking of selling my 92fs and getting a cougar or a desert eagle.

Yes the M9 is a very bulky handgun but its built pretty well for extreme conditions, I like the open slide, that makes it very easy to clear malfunctions. The only problem I had was that the magazines that the Army issued me constantly misfed (they had bad springs, this is a common issue). So I ordered some 18 round polymer mags. Problem solved. The M9 was never meant for concealed carry. I used a Sig M11 when I was active duty and a military police investigator.

All that being said, I would HIGHLY reccomend the USP 45. I used one when I was in Afghanistan, very good handgun. Not to mention that a .45 will knock a mother****** down. And they punch thru doors. The SF community uses either the USP or teh SIG, its personal preference there. When I worked with them on Drug Interdiction, I chose a USP .45. BUY IT - you won't be dissapointed. Get a good green laser for it too.

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