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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum I know intellectual bullsh*t when I smell it.

if that were the case you should be able to easily refute the bullshit, without resorting to the illogical "what i think is right because it rings true in my heart" like some retarded hippy lost in the 60s.

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum I know intellectual bullsh*t when I smell it. If you were in the a real situation with a decision to make you wouldn't be thinking about all the garbage your throwing around.

lol, what? That's seriously your response?

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Originally posted by jennypie Clumpy, lol. I'd call mine Endometria.

LOL!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Hey, you and theresa should get on fine then. I know, its such a crazy idea to get people to justify the beliefs that they live their life by or ask others to live.

I don't base my opinions on how "my heart" feels. If you take a look at anything I have said in this thread, I have proven evidence that justifies why I hold that opinion.

People who base what they believe on how they "feel" would absolutely not get along with me.

You know what I have noticed... no one has provided any proof (other than some anecdotes) of why my idealistic opinion is wrong, other than the fact that it is not realistic in our current situation.

Funny how you are the one to claim I am the one who cannot handle justifying my belief when you have not attempted to even try.

Anyone?

P.S. Jenny, I appreciate the attempt to turn this into an actual discussion

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov lol, what? That's seriously your response?

i had high hopes for bubblegum chick coz she seems to be able to spell.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov lol, what? That's seriously your response?

sorry I forgot to throw in a couple of % signs and some quotes

often the simplest answer is the correct one

I cant believe this thread has gone on for two more pages since I left.

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Originally posted by Theresa You know what I have noticed... no one has provided any proof (other than some anecdotes) of why my idealistic opinion is wrong, other than the fact that it is not realistic in our current situation.

because you have no right to tell a parent what to do with their progeny, or remove the right for responsible adults to adopt children.

sometimes in life you have to put up with the negative effects of an activity in order for some people to benefit from the positive.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie I cant believe this thread has gone on for two more pages since I left.

everyone is trying to prove they're smarter than one another

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum sorry I forgot to throw in a couple of % signs and some quotes often the simplest answer is the correct one

yes, and you havent provided a single answer, simple or otherwise.

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Originally posted by Theresa LOL!! I don't base my opinions on how "my heart" feels. If you take a look at anything I have said in this thread, I have proven evidence that justifies why I hold that opinion. People who base what they believe on how they "feel" would absolutely not get along with me. You know what I have noticed... no one has provided any proof (other than some anecdotes) of why my idealistic opinion is wrong, other than the fact that it is not realistic in our current situation. Funny how you are the one to claim I am the one who cannot handle justifying my belief when you have not attempted to even try. Anyone? P.S. Jenny, I appreciate the attempt to turn this into an actual discussion

I've only read the last two pages, but I'm with you on this one based on what I've seen.

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum everyone is trying to prove they're smarter than one another

not true. those of us that are intellectually gifted already know we're smart. we're merely asking for people to justify their positions that we feel are incorrect.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I've only read the last two pages, but I'm with you on this one based on what I've seen.

the problem is that theresa is wrong in her assessment. she regularly displays opinions that fly in the face of logic or rationality, in favour of emotionalist appeals.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes, and you havent provided a single answer, simple or otherwise.

whatever

I'm bored with all this. you win.

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum whatever

Why even hit the "reply" button if you don't plan to add anything to an ongoing discussion?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the problem is that theresa is wrong in her assessment. she regularly displays opinions that fly in the face of logic or rationality, in favour of emotionalist appeals.

What assessment? From what I've seen she's simply argued that adoption isn't always the best option. Which I would say is a pretty reasonable position.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN because you have no right to tell a parent what to do with their progeny, or remove the right for responsible adults to adopt children. sometimes in life you have to put up with the negative effects of an activity in order for some people to benefit from the positive.

Umm... no.

Asked for my opinion - gave my opinion - opinion challenged - justified opinion...

Now what? Should you not justify why you think my opinion is wrong?

As I have said many times, my opinion is idealistic. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Obviously this indicates my clear understanding and acceptance that there will be negatives. However, that does not limit my desire to have it otherwise, and state such.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I've only read the last two pages, but I'm with you on this one based on what I've seen.

Thanks!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not true. those of us that are intellectually gifted already know we're smart. we're merely asking for people to justify their positions that we feel are incorrect.

That has to be the most idiotic thing you have ever said on these forums. Do you know how much of an ass you sound like?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the problem is that theresa is wrong in her assessment. she regularly displays opinions that fly in the face of logic or rationality, in favour of emotionalist appeals.

My assessment of what exactly? Please explain what "assessment" is wrong. My *opinion* that people should not be putting their children up for adoption? Or the facts that I have provided to justify why I don't think it is right?

This has nothing to do with emotions... it has to do with facts and real lives. I have been very rational and logical, and personally think I have done a good job in providing more than ample reason to have the opinion that I do. You on the other hand continue to spout off a bunch of self-righteous, pompous, and ignorant statements without attempting to make an intelligent reason for doing so.

I no longer wish to continue going back and forth with you until you decide to step off that pedestal of yours and actually have a discussion.

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In case you didn't know, simply telling me that I am wrong, and that you are right is not a discussion.

Thanks

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Originally posted by Theresa That's a good point. I don't know that stat on that one, however I am not sure how it is entirely relevant?

This is valid, because the whole argument about being in the system breeds criminals would be directly relative to the statistics of this. So if 50% of kid become criminals with their birth families, and 50% of the children in the system, then it is no difference.

Also, earlier in the thread you called adoption selfish. Wouldn't it be selfLESS if you gave up a child you didn't have the means to support (yes this DOES happen a lot more often than you would like to think) to a family that can not have kids? I mean you're going through bloody hell with the pain and agony and everything else you must go through. All for someone that just wants a baby.

Oh and the reason most people don't want to adopt a kid in the system, is due to psychological problems, that after a certain age, are impossible to get past. Not that this is necessarily justification, but it's a logical reason to a problem.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel This is valid, because the whole argument about being in the system breeds criminals would be directly relative to the statistics of this. So if 50% of kid become criminals with their birth families, and 50% of the children in the system, then it is no difference. Also, earlier in the thread you called adoption selfish. Wouldn't it be selfLESS if you gave up a child you didn't have the means to support (yes this DOES happen a lot more often than you would like to think) to a family that can not have kids? I mean you're going through bloody hell with the pain and agony and everything else you must go through. All for someone that just wants a baby. Oh and the reason most people don't want to adopt a kid in the system, is due to psychological problems, that after a certain age, are impossible to get past. Not that this is necessarily justification, but it's a logical reason to a problem.

I can see what you're trying to say about the stats regarding criminals. I am going to think on that one for a bit.

Choosing to give up your child because you cannot own up, change your life and actually try to take care of the kid is selfish to me. I don't really believe they're looking out for the best interests of the child, but more the best interests of themselves. They know that if they kept the child, they would have to change. If they didn't change, they know they would feel guilty for providing a shitty life. Those are selfish reasons. Knowing you are pregnant and are not going to keep the child, but will not sacrifice your own convictions to have the child aborted, and instead would rather take the chance of sacrificing SOMEONE ELSE'S ENTIRE life, is selfish.

Your last statement further lends to my reasoning that abortion is a better choice than putting children up for adoption.

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Originally posted by Theresa instead would rather take the chance of sacrificing SOMEONE ELSE'S ENTIRE life, is selfish.

Abortion is sacrificing someone's entire life.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Abortion is sacrificing someone's entire life.

There isn't a life to sacrifice when it hasn't been created (obviously my opinion on abortion).

Wouldn't you say though, that abortion is the ultimate avoidance of accountability?

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Originally posted by Theresa Choosing to give up your child because you cannot own up, change your life and actually try to take care of the kid is selfish to me. I don't really believe they're looking out for the best interests of the child, but more the best interests of themselves. They know that if they kept the child, they would have to change. If they didn't change, they know they would feel guilty for providing a shitty life. Those are selfish reasons. Knowing you are pregnant and are not going to keep the child, but will not sacrifice your own convictions to have the child aborted, and instead would rather take the chance of sacrificing SOMEONE ELSE'S ENTIRE life, is selfish.

The scenario I gave, specifically, too broke to afford another child, hits home for me. Why? I was not adopted, but seriously, there are 7 kids, and there was never enough money JUST to survive. My sperm and egg donor relied on the church (the mormon church as they are mormons) for food, and a good number of times, to pay the bills. Given that not everyone has that luxury, you could easily be SELFLESS, because you are thinking about the BEST interests of the child at stake and also the potential for a couple to have a kid that they would not otherwise be able to have, and put the child up for adoption. No matter how you want to look at it, giving your child up for adoption properly, will result in placement with a couple that can't have kids immediately if you start the process way before the child is to be born.

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Your last statement further lends to my reasoning that abortion is a better choice that putting children up for adoption.

While I don't disagree that abortion is the best first defense against this situation, there are also other alternatives that will result in just as good of an outcome.

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Originally posted by jennypie Wouldn't you say though, that abortion is the ultimate avoidance of accountability?

No. You are taking accountability for your actions by preventing a pending result that has not yet happened.

Abandoning your child in my opinion is the ultimate avoidance of accountability. The child exists, you create it, it is there... flesh and blood, alive and needing to be taken care of. Then you bail out.

To me that is like saying not buying a kitten is worse than buying a kitten and not taking care of it.

Do you see what I mean?

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Originally posted by jennypie Wouldn't you say though, that abortion is the ultimate avoidance of accountability?

Therein, as the bard says, lies the rub. That's the #1 most compelling argument against abortion in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Theresa No. You are taking accountability for your actions by preventing a pending result that has not yet happened. Abandoning your child in my opinion is the ultimate avoidance of accountability. The child exists, you create it, it is there... flesh and blood, alive and needing to be taken care of. Then you bail out. To me that is like saying not buying a kitten is worse than buying a kitten and not taking care of it. Do you see what I mean?

I see what you mean, but I disagree.

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