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Originally posted by spolitta ^^^ too much assumption.

lol, well I'm not assuming anything. I'm only speculating and making some observations about our own planet, people and our collective evolution. And I don't think they're ridiculous observations either if you put it in perspective.

For example, what do you think an animal (like a bird or a cat) thinks when they see humans driving around in cars and flying helicopters? They don't have the means of comprehending it. Perhaps we similarly aren't ready or aren't able to understand what is really happening around us. What did the aboroginal peoples of North and South America believe the English and Spaniards to be when they landed on the coasts? Yes, you're right...Gods, superior beings, etc. They had no clue and had absolutely no comprehension of how those galleons and frigates managed to move so swiftly across the water. One of my main points from all of this is that we should not FEAR or DISMISS what we don't understand, even if it's in our own nature to do so.

And Digi, you are the kind of person that, even with the most high quality film or photographic image, you would still say it's fake or whatever. You'll never believe anything....you feel more comfort in dismissing everything that might force us to re-evaluate where we stand as a society whereas people like me and many others (you can't deny that fact), would rather see scientific research conducted in the public eye without the government (mainly the American government) trying to disprove or discredit everything.

The fact that there are more questions than answers about this issue is exactly why people should start taking it seriously. Attitudes are already changing...some 70% of the North American population admit to believing in alien life. If you had asked that question, say 50 years ago, most people would have just spewed all the US Air Force propanda about the sightings being "weather balloons". Well we aren't that stupid anymore and it's no surprise that various agencies now simply remain silent instead of outright denial.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 lol, well I'm not assuming anything. I'm only speculating and making some observations about our own planet, people and our collective evolution. And I don't think they're ridiculous observations either if you put it in perspective.

Very light on the observation; very heavy on the speculation. As I've pointed out so many times already, of what value is your speculation with no evidence or logic to support it? Why aren't we speculating that these phenomena are caused by God or Buddha or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Maybe they're filming movies up there? This is all just pissing in the wind.

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And Digi, you are the kind of person that, even with the most high quality film or photographic image, you would still say it's fake or whatever.

You keep repeating this chestnut over and over again and yet you still haven't addressed a single one of the numerous points I've made.

Do I need to restate them or are you capable of reading more than three words from those posts?

How do we know that its the legit guy on the radio?

Ill call and say im the freaking Einstain (Misspelled on purpose)
How would anyone know?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Very light on the observation; very heavy on the speculation. As I've pointed out so many times already, of what value is your speculation with no evidence or logic to support it? Why aren't we speculating that these phenomena are caused by God or Buddha or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Maybe they're filming movies up there? This is all just pissing in the wind. You keep repeating this chestnut over and over again and yet you still haven't addressed a single one of the numerous points I've made. Do I need to restate them or are you capable of reading more than three words from those posts?

Who says it isn't logical to believe in intelligent life outside of Earth, perhaps even ones more advanced than us who observe us the way we observe and study other species? Explain to me again why there is no logic in that. How is there any more logic in believing in any of the religious texts that are out there? We could really, REALLY get into all that crap if you're one of those religious whackos, but I suspect not.

And there IS evidence that suggests we look more closely at the issue of UFOs. But you refuse to give it the time of day and are only concerned with dismissing it all. Why don't you talk to those mexican air force pilots who filmed that footage of eleven UFOs tracking their plane? Those guys were shitting their pants and you call it pissing in the wind!

God this thread is hilarious on so many levels.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Who says it isn't logical to believe in intelligent life outside of Earth, perhaps even ones more advanced than us who observe us the way we observe and study other species? Explain to me again why there is no logic in that. How is there any more logic in believing in any of the religious texts that are out there? We could really, REALLY get into all that crap if you're one of those religious whackos, but I suspect not.

*sigh* how many times must I repeat myself...

The burden of proof is on you to explain why these are logical explanations. It's not an argument to ask us "why not". Without evidence, without some sort of rationale, it's just idle, pointless, nonsensical speculation.

Who knew Agent Scully would cause so much damage to the understanding of the scientific method in the eyes of the general public?

The X-Files was a fictional show!

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Originally posted by DigiNut *sigh* how many times must I repeat myself... The burden of proof is on you to explain why these are logical explanations. It's not an argument to ask us "why not". Without evidence, without some sort of rationale, it's just idle, pointless, nonsensical speculation.

but I have given samples of evidence here. Footage that you yourself cannot hope to explain, but you are sure to say "THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY THEY'RE ALIENS THOUGH! IT'S INPLAUSIBLE!" Well...the way they move (which is what I had been asking earlier) is what makes them look like CRAFT and since we do not have any craft that are 2 miles long and travel at those speeds, then whose fucking CRAFT are they?

In one image, there are dozens of objects moving all around a twelve mile space tether lost from Columbia in 1996. What kind of space debris or ice centre in on a man made twelve mile tether, circling and pass it over and over and over? What kind of piece of natural phenomenon change direction on a dime at several thousands of miles per hour (don't forget it's a over 2 miles on diamter).

This is offical NASA footage released less than two months ago. This is evidence staring you in the face that suggests there's a lot happening out there and you call it illogical.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy Who knew Agent Scully would cause so much damage to the understanding of the scientific method in the eyes of the general public? The X-Files was a fictional show!

hmm....eastern European so I'm guessing you're Catholic? What do you make of your holy institution reaffirming the validity of the Catholic Church and its faith in God and Jesus Christ even in the presence of other intelligent life?

And I never watched the X Files actually.

Here is another incident that happend not too long ago,and this UFO was spotted by a British pilot.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...401615-details/'Mile-wide+UFO'+spotted+by+British+airline+pilot/article.do



and another popular sighting from Mexico

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Originally posted by DigiNut *sigh* how many times must I repeat myself... The burden of proof is on you to explain why these are logical explanations. It's not an argument to ask us "why not". Without evidence, without some sort of rationale, it's just idle, pointless, nonsensical speculation.

I honestly don't see the point in arguing anymore, he just keeps repeating the same thing over and over and over again. I don't think he understand that concept that while the existence of aliens is ONE possibility, there are others out there that may not be as thought out.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 hmm....eastern European so I'm guessing you're Catholic? What do you make of your holy institution reaffirming the validity of the Catholic Church and its faith in God and Jesus Christ even in the presence of other intelligent life? And I never watched the X Files actually.

Actually, I'm not. But thanks for jumping to a conclusion based on yet another assumption!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Footage that you yourself cannot hope to explain, but you are sure to say "THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY THEY'RE ALIENS THOUGH! IT'S INPLAUSIBLE!"

He never mentioned that the probability of those UFOs being Alien spacecrafts is zero. He simply has not seen enough evidence to believe in such a thing, but he would never say that those objects can't be alien crafts. He is probably just wondering why you are so sure that UFOs are in fact alien's craft.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 " Well...the way they move (which is what I had been asking earlier) is what makes them look like CRAFT and since we do not have any craft that are 2 miles long and travel at those speeds, then whose fucking CRAFT are they?

Perhaps something beyond our current knowledge of existence? or maybe future time travelers from our own planet? or maybe it's a remotely controlled spacecraft from an unknown planet and government doesn't want to scare people, yet. Maybe some illusionists are messing with people since 1942? Or maybe they really are alien space crafts and they once used to live on our planet. Maybe these big heads are the ones who have been running our planet for centuries. But I don't know shit about this, and neither you do or anyone else. So stop pretending like you know about this more than us and just stop being so sure.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but I have given samples of evidence here.

Evidence of what? Calling that evidence of sentient aliens is no different from calling it evidence of ESP when I ask you to pick a card and then I find it again after reshuffling the deck. It's evidence of something out of the ordinary, perhaps, but you don't necessarily know what.

Simply because you don't know how the trick is done does not mean that whatever cockamamie theory you come up with is somehow plausible. And again, you don't even have a theory here; your theory is "it's aliens", which is equivalent to saying that the card trick is "magic". What aliens? Who? Why? How? Must be at least 10 times people have asked you this and you still haven't come up with any sort of answer.

Fine then. I maintain that the lights are magic. I don't have to explain what kind of magic or who's doing it or how. That's not important. You can do your own research on that. The only important thing is that there are wizards who can do that and the government is clearly covering it up. Just look at all the videos of crazy lights and inanimate objects like clocks and desks somehow moving on their own. Just think about it; it has to be magic because there's no other explanation.

I've tried to carry on a halfway intelligent debate but all you do is repeat yourself. I'm concluding, as I did years ago but for some idiotic reason recently decided to give you a second chance, that you are a complete fuckwit and not worth conversing with over any subject of substance.

Peace out.

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Originally posted by spolitta He never mentioned that the probability of those UFOs being Alien spacecrafts is zero. He simply has not seen enough evidence to believe in such a thing, but he would never say that those objects can't be alien crafts. He is probably just wondering why you are so sure that UFOs are in fact alien's craft. Perhaps something beyond our current knowledge of existence? or maybe future time travelers from our own planet? or maybe it's a remotely controlled spacecraft from an unknown planet and government doesn't want to scare people, yet. Maybe some illusionists are messing with people since 1942? Or maybe they really are alien space crafts and they once used to live on our planet. Maybe these big heads are the ones who have been running our planet for centuries. But I don't know shit about this, and neither you do or anyone else. So stop pretending like you know about this more than us and just stop being so sure.

But that's the thing. I'm wondering why people are so sure and quick to say they aren't alien craft. By looking at that footage, the most plausible explanation to my eyes, and to many others, is that those are craft moving around the lightning storm, the tether and MIR. Nobody has provided a better guess at what they might be, except "ice debris". They are moving at incredible speeds, appearing, disappearing, reappearing and changing directions in ways that our technology could never hope to achieve.

And I've never been "sure" about anything. I have only said that what is currently out there obviously has some validity to it and that it raises questions which we should be looking at openly and without censorship. Despite of all the evidence, all the testimony, the continued and increased sightings around the world, Diginut doesn't think it's worth investigating at this point. It makes no sense to me whatsoever how people can disagree on something so much, but I do not understand the constant negative spin he's trying to put on everything in this thread.

His basic argument is that we don't know what it is but we know almost for sure they aren't aliens so who cares about it at all? I find that insulting.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy Actually, I'm not. But thanks for jumping to a conclusion based on yet another assumption!

well Eastern Europe is mostly Catholic, so it was a measured guess.

I haven't seen too many people comment on what the Church said though. I asked my ex girlfriend, a staunch (yet hypocritical...we weren't married but she sure loved her sex) Catholic about it last Fall and she didn't have an answer. She said the issue of alien life, etc was easier NOT to think about. And I really am starting to believe that's what it boils down to for many of you.

Skeptic : "One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity."

then there is you :




someone get this bitch another tinfoil hat.

Listen I have a friend who just graduated Aerospace Engineering at the University of Toronto. I've know him since we were 13 and he's one of the smartest people I've met. He is now working on his Masters and has been interviewed by NASA twice about joining them upon graduation. We aren't really close anymore since he moved away after high school but I contacted him directly when I saw this.

He has seen the footage I've posted on here...specifically the recently leaked NASA footage. Keep in mind that his man is an areospace engineer and has spent over ten years studying physics and engine propolsion.

Do you know what he said to me on MSN tonight? Here is the exact message.

"Listen, whatever those things are, I can't explain them. We don't have anything that can reach those speeds and maneuvre like that, especially in space. I'm not one to believe in government coverups, but my best guess based on those images are that they are vehicles. We aren't able to construct any vehicles for space flight at anywhere NEAR that size. The cost in fuel alone would be astronomical and there are dozens of them in some of the images. This film leaves me at a loss as to what to say. They aren't ours and now I really want to know who's they are and how they do it. That's my honest answer."

so basically, think what you want. I'm getting tired of argy barging with some of you, but I won't back down from an argument and you keep on posting. We're only really talking at each other anyway...one side is not going to get through to the other.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Listen I have a friend who just graduated Aerospace Engineering at the University of Toronto.

omg why didn't you say so!
well i'm sold

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 We're only really talking at each other anyway...one side is not going to get through to the other.

You're right.
I don't suspect anything less than a hammer over your head will get through that tinfoil.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [COLOR=#99CCEE]Evidence of what? Calling that evidence of sentient aliens is no different from calling it evidence of ESP when I ask you to pick a card and then I find it again after reshuffling the deck. It's evidence of something out of the ordinary, perhaps, but you don't necessarily know what. Simply because you don't know how the trick is done does not mean that whatever cockamamie theory you come up with is somehow plausible. And again, you don't even have a theory here; your theory is "it's aliens", which is equivalent to saying that the card trick is "magic". What aliens? Who? Why? How? Must be at least 10 times people have asked you this and you still haven't come up with any sort of answer. COLOR]

Why must we know who, why, and how before we can acknowledge that there are unexplained objects flying around in our skies and around our planet in space at sizes and speeds far greater than our own technology permits.

The fact is that is an unending supply of video footage that indicates the presence of flying objects is available to look at, shot by both governments and civilians and there are hundred eye witness testimonies from a wide range of backgrounds who have testified on this matter. I recently discovered that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO in the early 70s and is the reason why he wanted to declassify everything. Hmm...that man became President. Was he a looney too?

But then you just go and name call again. We really get nowhere.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie omg why didn't you say so! well i'm sold You're right. I don't suspect anything less than a hammer over your head will get through that tinfoil.

you see this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You'll never be sold because it doesn't matter how many experts, ex pilots, scientists or whatever come forward or give their opinions, people like you then become the ones with "tin foil" on your head.

Do you know anything about Aerospace Engineering? Hmm...I didn't thik so.

Since when is EVERYONE that has any kind of opinion on this matter so full of shit or crazy?

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Originally posted by evil_cookie

Really?is that your answer to this topis??that we are just a bunch of crazy conspiracy people?simply because we ask question?fuckin pathatic honestly.


Just whats is so damn undreal about all those footages?all we have provided here are just theories and ideas on this discussions and all we get is bashing and name callings simply because some of us view things differently from others.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 you see this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You'll never be sold because it doesn't matter how many experts, ex pilots, scientists or whatever come forward or give their opinions , people like you then become the ones with "tin foil" on your head. Do you know anything about Aerospace Engineering? Hmm...I didn't thik so.

I don't give a flying fuck about peoples opinions�and that is all you have, is a bunch of fucking opinions. My only interest is in mutually consistent, empirical, observed, objective, unbiased, and impartial consensus.

You bring up science yet you understand nothing of it.

thank you trancer.

See this goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Are we even ready for this possible revelation? You have to wonder if some of us are really mentally capable of accepting the idea that aliens exist because the name calling and insinuation of stupidity in the face of everything that's been posted here (and lots of other places) here is surprising.

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