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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Driving through Winnipeg would make me want to kill someone, too. Holy fuck, though.

As bad as this story is this is pretty funny

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Originally posted by VDub Why would someone in prison do the right thing... Prison is full of murderers and rapists...

well not all of them are...and the ones who are will not necessarily side with this sick guy...

just wishful thinking...but maybe there are individuals who are in there for life could do some payback to the guy...

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Originally posted by VDub Why would someone in prison do the right thing... Prison is full of murderers and rapists... This jackoff is just one of them... As sad as it is that it happened, Tim was an adult... And as far as I know, you have to do something to a child before other prisoners will want to hurt you... However, I think this dick will go the insanity way so he'll never even go to jail...

honour among thieves as they say...if he was put in the general pop. he would see his end a la jeffrey dahmer..u can be sure of that....i commend every cop that takes a run at this guy and every supervisor that turns his head the other way..

as for him only getting 10-25 for second degree...he will be charged with a bunch of stuff..i`m guessing, attempted murder for when he tried to take a swipe at the dudes.....and a bunch more i`m sure...he will have to probably serve them all consecutively..the guy ain`t getting out for the rest of his life..

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Originally posted by gummybear as for him only getting 10-25 for second degree...he will be charged with a bunch of stuff..i`m guessing, attempted murder for when he tried to take a swipe at the dudes.....and a bunch more i`m sure...he will have to probably serve them all consecutively..the guy ain`t getting out for the rest of his life..

It's not 10-25, it's mandatory life, with option of parole within 10-25 years (date determined by the judge).

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Originally posted by gummybear as for him only getting 10-25 for second degree...he will be charged with a bunch of stuff..i`m guessing, attempted murder for when he tried to take a swipe at the dudes.....and a bunch more i`m sure...he will have to probably serve them all consecutively..the guy ain`t getting out for the rest of his life..

assault with a deadly weapon
probably something about messing with public transeportation
conspiricy, etc.
ya hes not comming back. he's sitting in a rubber room for a long time.

What I dont understand is why the cops just didn't shoot him, even with non-lethal force, during the 5 hr standoff, as the guy defiled the body even more? Hell, a lethal hit would've saved the Canadian taxpayers lots of dollars, and I doubt the dude's wife would've sued for wrongful death.

^^ I agree completely, they should've shot him if he was cutting up and eating the body. I'm sure that doing so is within the parameters of the law. At least Tim's parents would have had something to bury.

I also have a huge problem with the 35+ passengers sitting around doing nothing while he was defiling the poor guys body. I mean they had already left the bus and were armed with some makeshift weapons, but were too scared to go back in and disarm him.

It's easy for us to sit here and judge the passengers but honestly if I was there, I would be so angry and disgusted that I would risk my own well being rather than just sit there and feel powerless. I cannot comprehend how all of these people (seniors and children excluded) were more concerned about themselves than putting a stop to the gruesome acts being committed against a fellow citizen. In many other countries people would have the balls to do something about it and risk getting a few cuts and bruises. Not to mention that Li is 5'8 and the knife he was using is nowhere near the size that some were reporting.

This morning I was having a coffee on a Starbucks patio sitting next to a black dude who was reading a book and minding his own business. There was a sketched out bum on the sidewalk who came up to him and started saying nigga this nigga that you don't belong in this country etc......they exchanged insults but the guy wouldn't give up. I looked around me and everyone on the patio was sinking their heads into their newspapers/laptops and trying to avoid everything that was going on! I couldn't believe my eyes! So I told the bum to get fucking lost and went to tell the kids working at the counter what was going on. When I got back both him and the black guy were gone and everyone on the patio was discussing the altercation...Excuse me where the fuck were you when all of this was going down??

This incident can be related to Tim's gruesome murder. If people are not willing to say anything to put a bum in his place then how are they going to try and disarm a maniac on a bus. I think that the whole "mind your own business" mentality is too common in Canada. Remember what they say about those who did nothing to stop the Nazi's just because they were "minding their own business".

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Originally posted by mikester69 ...if I was there, I would be so angry and disgusted that I would risk my own well being rather than just sit there and feel powerless.

doubt it.

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Originally posted by mikester69 This morning I was having a coffee on a Starbucks patio sitting next to a black dude who was reading a book and minding his own business. There was a sketched out bum on the sidewalk who came up to him and started saying nigga this nigga that you don't belong in this country etc......they exchanged insults but the guy wouldn't give up. I looked around me and everyone on the patio was sinking their heads into their newspapers/laptops and trying to avoid everything that was going on! I couldn't believe my eyes! So I told the bum to get fucking lost and went to tell the kids working at the counter what was going on. When I got back both him and the black guy were gone and everyone on the patio was discussing the altercation...Excuse me where the fuck were you when all of this was going down?? This incident can be related to Tim's gruesome murder.

holy shit not even close hah

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Originally posted by mikester69 It's easy for us to sit here and judge the passengers but honestly if I was there, I would be so angry and disgusted that I would risk my own well being rather than just sit there and feel powerless. I cannot comprehend how all of these people (seniors and children excluded) were more concerned about themselves than putting a stop to the gruesome acts being committed against a fellow citizen. In many other countries people would have the balls to do something about it and risk getting a few cuts and bruises. Not to mention that Li is 5'8 and the knife he was using is nowhere near the size that some were reporting. This incident can be related to Tim's gruesome murder. If people are not willing to say anything to put a bum in his place then how are they going to try and disarm a maniac on a bus. I think that the whole "mind your own business" mentality is too common in Canada. Remember what they say about those who did nothing to stop the Nazi's just because they were "minding their own business".

Okay there, Internet hero. So the victim is already dead with his head cut off, dude is in there with a hunting knife carving him up, and you're going to climb back aboard the bus for some vengeance? I think the other 34 passengers would have told you to stop being so fucking stupid. It's a good thing they kept the door locked with the guy safely inside from hurting anyone else. Everyone's always so brave from the comfort of their armchair at home.

Also, the Nazi bit was really out of place. It's clear you don't know WW2 history at all because "minding your own business" had nothing to do with people not stopping the Nazis. The concentration camps were all outside Germany (guess why), well hidden, and employed only as many Germans (and Jews too) as absolutely needed.

Edit: This is Cosmic Fur

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie Okay there, Internet hero.

haha

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Originally posted by mikester69

Dude...while I totally commend you for doing what you did with the homeless person - big high five to you...that is a COMPLETELY different situation. Yes, you acknowledge that...but the people on the bus were in a frickin' life or death situation. Those people were in a pretty extraordinary circumstance, and there are a number of reasons why they probably didn't react, some of which I may not even have mentioned.

a) Many (if not all) people were in SHOCK...therefore not thinking properly.

b) Most people probably have not had to defend themselves against someone with a knife. (And regardless of how big the knife was, the knife is a deadly weapon. It probably wasn't a "rambo sized knife", but even a frickin' steak knife would probably scare a lot of people).

c) Knife > Make shift weapons from the side of the highway

d) Considering the maniac stabbed a random guy 60 times, decapitated him, calmly dangled the head in front of them and dropped it and is now eating the guy...the killer is obviously capable of a lot and doesn't give a shit...so the people are probably scared b/c he's obvously going to stop at nothing.

Not to mention...people talk a lot of fucking shit when they're not put into a situation. When you're actually IN a situation like that, more often than not people do NOT do what they think they would have done. Even trained professionals can choke at times.

-Lisa

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Originally posted by iant56 Not to mention...people talk a lot of fucking shit when they're not put into a situation. When you're actually IN a situation like that, more often than not people do NOT do what they think they would have done. Even trained professionals can choke at times. -Lisa

exactly.


- Katie

ps everyone is posting from different accounts!

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur exactly. - Katie ps everyone is posting from different accounts!

she told me she was writing in here and i told her to use her own account - so fucking annoying!

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Originally posted by mikester69 ^^ Excuse me where the fuck were you when all of this was going down??

We, Canadians, are like ostriches mostly the time... I don't hear so my country is the best...

I would kick that bastard's ass and make him run away....every five minutes keep swearing the people on patio and enjoy my coffee...

I see the point Mikester's trying to make (albeit it's a little askew), it's the classic Edmund Burke argument.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

In this situation, if there was a clear indication that this young man was still alive, then by all means it would have been a disappointment if the passengers did nothing. But considering there were CHILDREN on this bus, the priorities shift and the sad reality is that there was little that could be done by the time this madman started hacking away at him.

I think it's much more appropriate (and far less cavalier) to have taken him in to custody rather than use lethal force - Keep in mind that by the time the situation had come to its boil point and this poor kid got beheaded, the only remaining threat was the suspect to himself. As uncomfortable as it might be, law enforcement have a duty to protect society from harm and to minimize or prevent the loss of life wherever possible. Considering the way the standoff ended, I'm personally glad they didn't turn into cowboys and martyr this lunatic - with any luck he'll rot for the rest of his years.

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Originally posted by Jer I see the point Mikester's trying to make (albeit it's a little askew), it's the classic Edmund Burke argument.

unfortunately human nature is fight or flight in life threatening situations, not to peruse through the works of philosophy for appropriate behaviour

Mikester69- I commend you for speaking up and defending that guy. Sadly, that same attitude perseveres here on this site as well. Just read some threads and see all the subtle racist comments that no one corrects (with the exception of AustralianGQ, since he takes it to a new level, and people seem to hate him anyways, rightfully so).

Do I think the passengers should've done more? No. The police were there within a few minutes, and they are far better trained and armed to deal with it. Why they let it go on for 3-5 hrs more is beyond me. The only threat he was was to to himself, or them, if he attacked, in which case they could've used lethal force or aimed for the kneecaps, immobilizing him. I dont think anyone would have revered this guy as a martyr, now the taxpayers will have to pay millions to try, evaluate, and imprison this guy.

There seems to be a trend this week...
First Canada.

Then Brazil
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/ameri...e.ap/index.html

Now Greece (personal, but just as psycho as the Canadian one- he beheaded the dog too)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europ...e.ap/index.html

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Originally posted by Irishaddict unfortunately human nature is fight or flight in life threatening situations, not to peruse through the works of philosophy for appropriate behaviour

Just to add, fight or flight is not even human nature, it's animal nature - it's one of the most basic instincts all animals (including humans) have. Even a dog knows when it's better to fight, and when it's better to take flight. Of course dogs don't have egos, sooo...

Edit: BTW, I agree with the cops on not ending his life and instead letting the justice system handle it. I have a feeling the guy would have wanted to be shot instead of rotting away in jail for the rest of his life.

One guy on the bus (on the other side of the aisle from the "incident") said he considered doing something or stepping in in some way, but it became obvious very quickly that there was nothing that could be done. The passengers should not be criticized at all.

I found his myspace page... it's not set to private, so see all his pictures and stuff.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endID=108390479

RIP

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I found his myspace page... it's not set to private, so see all his pictures and stuff. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endID=108390479 RIP

Wow, I bet the person who posted the flyer for the valentine's day massacre party feels pretty shitty right now.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I found his myspace page... it's not set to private, so see all his pictures and stuff. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endID=108390479 RIP

In his list of general interests he wrote Dying. WTF!

Well... He's been found not guilty today because he's a head case.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...?hub=TopStories

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Vince Li not criminally responsible for beheading Updated Thu. Mar. 5 2009 12:09 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff Vince Li has been found not criminally responsible for the gruesome murder and beheading of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus last summer because he is mentally ill. Both the Crown and the defence agreed that Li is a schizophrenic who was suffering a psychotic episode when he killed the 22-year-old McLean. Li, 40, will now be remanded to a secure psychiatric facility where he will receive treatment. A review panel will decide in the next six weeks which facility he will be transferred to, depending on whether he is considered a risk to others or to himself. His case must also be reviewed on an annual basis by a mental health review board. "That doesn't sit well with McLean's family," reports CTV's Jill Macyshon, who says they want Li to spend his life in prison, demanding "a life for a life." The review board will look at police reports from the crime scene and review transcripts of previous hearings, while also listening to evidence from psychiatrists who will treat Li about his current mental condition, treatment plan and prognosis. Li's trial took only two days and heard from only two witnesses. Both were psychiatrists who testified Li suffers from schizophrenia. They testified Li heard what he thought was the voice of God last July, telling him to kill McLean or risk being killed himself. Dr. Jonathan Rootenberg said Li was psychotic and was in no state to tell the difference between right and wrong. "The attack was sudden and came as Li caught a glimpse of the sunlight and heard God's voice telling him that McLean was a threat," Rootenberg testified. "The voice said, `Do it now ... If you don't, he's going to kill you.'" Legal analyst and criminal lawyer Steven Skurka says the decision shows that the Canadian criminal justice system is humane and recognizes that those in psychotic states cannot distinguish right and wrong. "We can't simply look at the actions we have to look at his mental state. We don't punish people who don't appreciate the nature and quality of their actions. I think that's a very positive feature of our system," Skurka told CTV Newsnet after the decision was handed down. With the NCR declaration, Li will not have a criminal record. But on the agreement of both the Crown and the defence, his DNA will be put into a registry so that it will be on file in the event Li is one day released and is suspected of another crime. "It's a responsible position for the defence to take because clearly, they're concerned about public safety," Slurka said. Macyshon reports that the court was absolutely silent as the judgment was read. "Li always looks straight ahead and doesn't seem ashamed of what he's done. The family though is always watching him like hawks," she says. "They say it's not justice." While the McLean family knew to expect Thursday's ruling, McLean's mother Carol deDelley says she will push forward with what she calls "Tim's Law." She wants those who are found to be not criminally responsible to have criminal records and to be treated in prison not in a mental facility. DeDelley told reporters outside the courthouse Thursday that NCR should be changed to what she calls "NPA." "That would be Not Psychologically Accountable but still criminally responsible. Because a crime was still committed her, a murder still occurred. And NCR seems to negate that fact. At least that's how it feels to us, "she said. DeDelley added she doesn't hate Li; she thinks he's dangerous and should be "kept away from the public for the rest of his natural life."

wtf...

I dont even know where to begin with this


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