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| Originally posted by Orko I was listening to the press conference, and I could barely understand what he was saying. I know he was speaking English, but fuck. Get this guy some speech therapy. |
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| Originally posted by Yohan Well, Canada was willing to tolerate Cretin (and his speech impediment) for 10 yrs... |
The environmental piece of Dion's campaign has got to go. It's turned me off of voting Liberal entirely - get some new material!
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| Originally posted by Skipper The environmental piece of Dion's campaign has got to go. It's turned me off of voting Liberal entirely - get some new material! |
I'll probably vote conservative if I feel confident he won't re-open gay marriage or abortion.
It seems to me that so many of Dion's policies or proposals have some sort of green slant to them. Like we can't just invest in infrastructure, he has to point out GREEN infrastructure. It almost comes across as an angle he's taking because it's trendy, not because that's what he actually thinks is best for the country.
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| Originally posted by Skipper I'll probably vote conservative if I feel confident he won't re-open gay marriage or abortion. |
I guess it's more the fact that he hasn't explicitly stated in this campaign what his views on it are. Just last month Dion publicly asked him to declare his stance on abortion but he actually hasn't done so since 2006. And while I don't think his views have changed materially, at that time he was likely expecting to win a minority government. Now we're looking at a majority and I want to be sure he commits again to not reopening the debate.
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| Originally posted by Skipper I guess it's more the fact that he hasn't explicitly stated in this campaign what his views on it are. |
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| Originally posted by DigiNut Although even if he commits to leaving them alone, that doesn't guarantee they'll be left alone. Campaign promises... |
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| Originally posted by Skipper I know, but abortion is a biggie. That's not something you promise to leave as is and then put it to vote and hope your government ever gets elected again. If he explicitly promised to leave it alone and then went to vote on it, it would be a long time before the conservatives were in power again. That's why I want to hear outright what his stance is. |
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| Originally posted by Skipper I know, but abortion is a biggie. That's not something you promise to leave as is and then put it to vote and hope your government ever gets elected again. If he explicitly promised to leave it alone and then went to vote on it, it would be a long time before the conservatives were in power again. That's why I want to hear outright what his stance is. |
I'm pretty sure that Harper is personally against abortion and gay-marriage. But he doesn't seem to care at all about them as political issues. He held the re-vote on gay marriage specifically to make his hard-line conservative base happy, and has never once taken up abortion as an issue he wants to tackle. Harper is smarter than to even MENTION making a change on either issue when he sees much more important political goals that need to be achieved (like abolishing the senate and elected supreme court judges).
I heard the debate is the same night as the US VP debate, but when is that?
Liberals pulling out all the stops - the market didn't buy it though - very little movement in income trusts today after the announcement.
It'll be interesting to watch him try to defend this one in the debate...
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Liberals vow to scrap tax on trusts Dion retools campaign to focus more on economy with pledge to resuscitate investment vehicle popular among older voters Article Comments (258) STEVEN CHASE From Monday's Globe and Mail September 22, 2008 at 3:54 AM EDT OTTAWA � St�phane Dion's Liberals are promising to scrap the Harper government's hefty tax on income trusts as they release their campaign platform today, a pledge that offers a potential new lease on life for an investment vehicle much beloved by older voters. The Liberals hope a full costing of their promises will help counter Conservative attacks that have succeeded in raising questions about whether they are unsound fiscal managers who would drive the country into deficit as the economy worsens. "A Liberal government will never put Canada into deficit. Period," party spokesman Mark Dunn said yesterday. The platform release comes as the Liberals retool their campaign, scaling back emphasis on their controversial Green Shift carbon tax in favour of a focus on the ailing economy and moving Leader Mr. Dion into the background while front-bench MPs such as Bob Rae and Ralph Goodale take the lead. New polling for The Globe and Mail and CTV in closely fought ridings shows the Liberals are failing to gain traction as Conservative support strengthens or holds. The anti-Tory vote remains heavily fractured among opposition parties instead of coalescing behind Mr. Dion as Liberals might have hoped. First floated in 2007, the Liberal promise to revive the income-trust market offers voters a clear alternative that starkly contrasts with what the Conservatives have on offer. "The fact we've written it in the platform in black and white means we're serious," said Liberal MP John McCallum, a former bank economist who helped price his party's 2008 platform. The pledge holds out a potential stay of execution for a lucrative investment option popular among those saving for retirement. It is one that lost substantial appeal after the Tory government slapped a surprise tax on income trusts in October of 2006. Plus, Liberals say, they believe that scrapping the tax could substantially lift the market values of income trusts, helping restore much of what investors lost in late 2006 after panic over the surprise levy drove down the value of the vehicles. "Our experts tell us this change in policy [would] restore two-thirds of the value that was lost as a consequence of the [Harper] government's move," Mr. McCallum said. He added he cannot guarantee that all that market value would reappear, but said he believes a "good proportion" would return under a proposal that offers a future for trusts without the Tory tax. That assumes, however, that investors are still holding units of the same income trusts they had before the Tory levy. The Liberals are fond of their pledge, though, because it reminds voters that the Conservatives broke a 2006 election promise to avoid taxing trusts. The year before the tax was announced, about one million people in Canada owned trusts directly and millions held them through mutual funds, according to industry testimony before a Senate committee. The levy, 34 per cent declining over time to about 28 per cent, was applied to new trusts and was to be applied to existing trusts in 2011. The aim was to collect tax revenue from trusts that the Conservative government believed was not being otherwise recouped because these vehicles paid little, if any, under previous rules. Specifically, the Liberals are proposing replacing the Tory tax with a much smaller 10-per-cent levy that is refundable for domestic investors but not foreigners. Mr. McCallum said the Liberals believe there is far less "tax leakage" from trusts than the Tories say there is because investors are eventually taxed on returns when they sell units. Should the Liberals win office, their pledge would substantially lower the effective rate of taxation on existing trusts and mean potentially richer returns for trust investors because these businesses pass on most of their earnings in the form of dividends. But it is not certain that the Liberals would allow new trusts to be created in every sector. The party says few, if any, trusts are starting up today and should it win office, it would maintain what amounts to a de facto moratorium on new trusts until after consultations to decide which industrial sectors would be allowed to create them. |
lol. moves the party leader into 'background'
more emphasis on economy and less on enviro plans
honestly. are the Fiberals run by retards and finally figured this out? retooling like this in the middle of campaign... not a good sign
one way or another, Dion's day as Fiberal leader is over, because I don't think the Con-servatives can be caught up now.
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| Originally posted by Skipper It'll be interesting to watch him try to defend this one in the debate... |
when is this tv debate anyways?
The only way this election interests me is that it'll be the first time i get to vote in a Canadian election from Croatia
A bit too ambitious of a platform, but NDP strategists know how to get votes. Love how the Libs got pretty much ignored
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/politics/home
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| NDP platform pledges billions for child care OMAR EL AKKAD Globe and Mail Update and Canadian Press September 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM EDT TORONTO � NDP leader Jack Layton has made child care the centrepiece of the New Democratic Party's 2008 election campaign platform, the majority of which the party plans to pay for by hiking corporate tax rates. The single largest expenditure in the NDP's multibillion-dollar platform is a new monthly cheque of up to $400 that would replace three existing child benefits. It will cost $500-million in 2009, double for the next two years and then more than double to $4.4-billion by 2012. Under the program, the NDP says every family will continue to get the so-called "baby bonus" cheques of $100 a month under a program started by the Conservatives. But families with a net income less than $188,000 a year will qualify for a benefit of about $250 a month. Families with a net income of less than $38,000 will qualify for a benefit of $400 a month by the time the program is fully implemented. The party would also raise the age cut-off for the baby bonus from six to 18. Unlike the Conservative bonus, the NDP money won't be taxed. As virtually every major federal party has done, the NDP promises not to run a deficit. The platform is the culmination of Mr. Layton's overriding campaign strategy: to present himself as the only alternative to a Conservative government whose only priority would be corporate tax cuts. More on link |
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| �The only party that can stop Stephen Harper while defending the environment is clearly the Bloc Quebecois,� Mr. Duceppe said. |
damn i have to catch up with canadian politics so i can vote. Hell i know a bit more about the states elections :S (watched the debate the other nite, so far im for obama)
i need a summary of the different plans lol
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| Originally posted by Yohan C'mon Gilles. You're a smart man. You know better than to sound like the Fiberals! |
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| Originally posted by malek well the Bloc might end up with the balance of power, we'll see how this thing unfolds. |
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| Originally posted by Yohan Just like the years when the Block was 'Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition'? lol You know, I never thought of Bloc as holding the balance of power... That can be very, very scary. |
Harper and Duceppe plotting:
heheheh had to post it
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| Originally posted by Yohan when is this tv debate anyways? |
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