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Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in Canada, there's no highways, reduced sprawl, meaning reduced housing offer, which creates higher prices. On average a house cost just under a million, A million! still no one makes insane salaries to afford that kind of estate.

Offices have to move out of downtown because of the lack of space. (Promoters make more money building condos than office towers). Some Vancouverites are now forced to commute to the burbs to get to their jobs... insane.

Vancouver streets are dull, yes there's always people walking around because they have dense condo canyons, but that is all. There's very little mixity in the streets, with shops, restaurants, coffees places or office not taken into account when building all those rat sized condos.

Density is not a goal to achieve at all costs.

By the way Montreal is much more denser than Vancouver and Toronto in its central core. Actually it comes second to Manahattan in North America.

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Originally posted by malek Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in Canada, there's no highways, reduced sprawl, meaning reduced housing offer, which creates higher prices. On average a house cost just under a million, A million! still no one makes insane salaries to afford that kind of estate.

you also don't have the shit winters (and sometimes humid summers) we have, plus its scenery is second to none. Granted, the downtown core isn't the best for cycling either (or driving for that matter), its pedestrian traffic is crazy.

Its transit system is also decent too, subway isn't as extensive as Toronto or Montreal (Greater Van is only 2.2M) but it's gonna be the first of those three cities to have a subway running all the way to the airport (2009).

Toronto is undergoing the same condo proliferation too, same company predominately (Concorde). You'll have to get used to bike lanes and pedestrian-friendly downtown cores. Cars won't be entirely unwelcomed, it's going to be more of a balance, that's all. Driving a car is a 'luxury' that's bad for the body and for the environment, imo.

The only negative to me is that this condo development kills the nightlife. Vancouver's sucks, Guv in TO has probably only a few years left too.

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Originally posted by malek By the way Montreal is much more denser than Vancouver and Toronto in its central core. Actually it comes second to Manahattan in North America.

I didn't know that. Always thought it was Mexico City, NYC then Vancouver but you may be right.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden I didn't know that. Always thought it was Mexico City, NYC then Vancouver but you may be right.

i may be wrong on Mexico City (stats you see on NA always exclude Mexico for some reason), but Montreal is defienitly denser than Vancouver in its central boroughs.

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Originally posted by malek i may be wrong on Mexico City (stats you see on NA always exclude Mexico for some reason), but Montreal is defienitly denser than Vancouver in its central boroughs.

yeah, I pulled the Mexico city one out of my ass

but I've often heard NYC and Van being one and two. This article has Van as no 1, but you may find other conflicting stuff..

http://www.archnewsnow.com/features/Feature177.htm

Here is a small animation of density for Montreal and Vancouver, they are not to scale, Vancouver should be smaller. Also the mauve color is from 6000 to 11999, a pretty wide range there.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cen...s/Vancouver.swf

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cen...As/Montreal.swf

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Originally posted by malek Here is a small animation of density for Montreal and Vancouver, they are not to scale, Vancouver should be smaller. Also the mauve color is from 6000 to 11999, a pretty wide range there. http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cen...s/Vancouver.swf http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cen...As/Montreal.swf

I'll have a look.

while off thread topic (lol) but on this topic, 'look' at how densely populated (downtown) Vancouver is:



Mexico City doesn't have the skyscrapers but its urban area goes on forever and ever.

EDIT, links don't show anything at my work.. guess I should go home now

in an attempt to put montreal back on the map i shall open a resto and serve these

densly built, but densly populated? I don't know. Especially with small condos not favoring families. In Montreal, most condos you see downtown are 600-800 sqf units, a couple can hardly live in there, let alone children. My point is that condos are geared more toward single people than families, less people marry and have children, or usually have one or two in the burbs.

BTW Paris has mostly 6-8 stories buildings and is denser than Vancouver.

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Originally posted by malek densly built, but densly populated? I don't know. Especially with small condos not favoring families. In Montreal, most condos you see downtown are 600-800 sqf units, a couple can hardly live in there, let alone children. My point is that condos are geared more toward single people than families, less people marry and have children, or usually have one or two in the burbs. BTW Paris has mostly 6-8 stories buildings and is denser than Vancouver.

I would assume densely populated, though some of those condos are empty, bought up by asians. Downtown Van is remarkable, community-wise. You'll see schools and community centres there, mini parks too. Peeps own yachts and stuff just metres away from their front doors, and for those who work downtown, the car stays put. My brother and a buddy both live and work downtown and both drive SUVs, parked in the garage all day of course, smirk.

those porkchops? Damn

just off top of my head, Montreal has lost:

Formula One
Expos

Vancouver has lost:

Molson Indy
NBA Grizzlies
Triple A baseball team

Ottawa:

Triple A, Double A team
CFL team

I'm sure you can add to that list. Toronto really hasn't lost anything I don't think. In fact, it is talking about an NFL team and a second NHL team and I won't be surprised if TO tries for the Olympics again in the near future. I think Montreal hit its peak in the 70s, I read recently that they were even thinking NFL right after it got the '76 Olympics and stuff. I also read somewhere they withdrew its MLS bid, smaller potatoes of course.

we almost lost the Swimming competitions a few years ago, major fiasco. We also lost our exchange.

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Originally posted by malek we almost lost the Swimming competitions a few years ago, major fiasco. We also lost our exchange.

I saw those animation maps at home, pretty dope.

I think Vancouver will get its MLS expansion team.. the Ottawa bid is puzzling, imo.

best of all, those stupid albertans running the country will be losing their jobs soon

serious bump needed

F1 returning to Montreal?

By Nelson Wyatt, THE CANADIAN PRESS

Jacques Villeneuve is happy to hear a report saying Montreal will be returning to the F1 schedule in 2010. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Paul Chiasson)

What city is the best race host?


MONTREAL - Throngs of race-loving glitterati and the roar of Formula One cars seem poised to return to Montreal with reports of a deal being struck between Canadian Grand Prix organizers and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone

read more: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Motorspor...0357101-ap.html

Seems we got it back.

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