2008 Official Federal Election Voting Poll (Who you voted for!)

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Posted by exstasie on Oct-16-2008 12:00:

Here's what the CPC need to do.

1. Get Quebec to hate the CPC and Liberals. (Not that hard to do)

2. Call an election. (Same as above)

3. Get the block to win 60+ Seats with 50%+ of the popular vote.

4. Bloc will have referendum and separate.

5. CPC will now have a majority in the House.

Seems simple enough to me! It's a win-win for everyone.

Posted by malek on Oct-16-2008 13:53:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
Here's what the CPC need to do.

1. Get Quebec to hate the CPC and Liberals. (Not that hard to do)

2. Call an election. (Same as above)

3. Get the block to win 60+ Seats with 50%+ of the popular vote.

4. Bloc will have referendum and separate.

5. CPC will now have a majority in the House.

Seems simple enough to me! It's a win-win for everyone.

Bloc can't call a referendum

Its the PQ at the provincial level.

But I do agree, we'de be better off as good neighbours than annoying roomates.

Posted by zoogla on Oct-16-2008 14:41:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
don't make me cut you with my sickle, comrad.

Posted by teufel-man on Oct-16-2008 14:53:

Posted by MarkT on Oct-16-2008 15:55:

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Originally posted by DigiNut
These two points contradict each other. They wanted to win a majority, they didn't, but they came pretty close and obviously had no way of knowing whether or not they'd succeed. You can't say it was a waste based on hindsight alone - democracy doesn't work on guarantees.

Besides, I would argue that winning more seats is in fact a valid excuse. 124 seats to 143 is nothing to sneeze at, and the Tories have had to rely far too much on the Bloc for support. They probably still will, to an extent, but just because they don't have a majority doesn't mean the additional seats won't make it easier for them to govern.

As for the election date issue, yeah, that's sort of BS, but it really has no bearing on whether or not the election was "wasteful".

How do they contradict each other? An election is not a 'roll of the dice'. The likelihood of a majority was always small, regardless of when you look at the polls. Given that Harper was already able to govern as if he had a majority (ALL legislation they wanted to pass was passed), gaining seats is all but meaningless.

The CPC, just like before, still needs the support of at least one of the Liberals, NDP or Bloc, to have a majority. Also, just like before, all three of those parties would have to band together to defeat the CPC as any two together is still below 50% of the seats.

People can pretend that this is a "stronger minority", but that's looking at the numbers alone, without taking into account the reality of the situation. Sure, they have more seats...but...it doesn't change anything in reality, except perhaps in a 'free vote' situation.

So how was this election not "wasteful"? How do Canadians benefit (since the cost of the election is essentially ours)?

Posted by exstasie on Oct-16-2008 16:45:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
Bloc can't call a referendum

Its the PQ at the provincial level.

But I do agree, we'de be better off as good neighbours than annoying roomates.

Damn it lol

Well, how about this.

We should kick the Montreal Canadiens out of the NHL and see what happens

Posted by dEsidEL on Oct-16-2008 17:30:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
Here's what the CPC need to do.

1. Get Quebec to hate the CPC and Liberals. (Not that hard to do)

2. Call an election. (Same as above)

3. Get the block to win 60+ Seats with 50%+ of the popular vote.

4. Bloc will have referendum and separate.

5. CPC will now have a majority in the House.

Seems simple enough to me! It's a win-win for everyone.

i've always wondered whether people would vote for a Bloc candidate who ran in a western province

Posted by malek on Oct-16-2008 17:46:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL

i've always wondered whether people would vote for a Bloc candidate who ran in a western province

Duceppe is the favourite politician in Canada from the current crop, that should amount to a few votes right?

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Oct-16-2008 17:51:

If Duceppe was the leader of a different party I would probably vote for him....well if that other party was liberal.

Posted by dEsidEL on Oct-16-2008 17:57:

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Originally posted by malek
Duceppe is the favourite politician in Canada from the current crop, that should amount to a few votes right?

agreed.. much like Layton, some may not agree with his views, but at least he's somewhat clear on where he stands

it would be funny to see western Canadian voters voting for a Bloc candidate campaigning out west to aid in the promotion of Quebec succession

Posted by DigiNut on Oct-16-2008 23:13:

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Originally posted by MarkT
How do they contradict each other? An election is not a 'roll of the dice'. The likelihood of a majority was always small, regardless of when you look at the polls. Given that Harper was already able to govern as if he had a majority (ALL legislation they wanted to pass was passed), gaining seats is all but meaningless.

Sin of omission here. Sure, they passed the legislation they wanted to pass, but (a) with a minority government they're just not even going to attempt to pass anything they know they can't get support on, and (b) they've had to make huge concessions to Quebec and the BQ in order to obtain the support they did get.

Gaining seats is not meaningless; with only 12 short of a majority they only need to grab a few dissenters from the other parties. They may not need the support of an entire party to pass an act.

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So how was this election not "wasteful"? How do Canadians benefit (since the cost of the election is essentially ours)?

If that is your only standard then technically every election is wasteful. We never get the money back.

Posted by Yohan on Oct-17-2008 04:02:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Sin of omission here. Sure, they passed the legislation they wanted to pass, but (a) with a minority government they're just not even going to attempt to pass anything they know they can't get support on, and (b) they've had to make huge concessions to Quebec and the BQ in order to obtain the support they did get.

Gaining seats is not meaningless; with only 12 short of a majority they only need to grab a few dissenters from the other parties. They may not need the support of an entire party to pass an act.

Yeah. But those dissenters from other parties will likely get the boot if they vote against their own party. Not the wisest of career move

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