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Posted by Arbiter on Dec-16-2008 23:55:

If you are against this tax, then tell me which of the following statements you disagree with:

1. Government requires not insignificant amounts of money to fund.
2. Government could collect some portion of that money by taxing soft drink consumption
3. Taxing soft drink consumption provides people with an incentive to consume fewer soft drinks
4. There is a causal connection between soft drink consumption and obesity, or the extent thereof, in a non-negligible number of instances.
5. An incentive to consume fewer soft drinks thus provides an incentive to avoid or limit an activity that will causally contribute to obesity in a non-negligible number of instances.
6. That incentive has the potential to affect consumer behavior in at least some instances, and therefore has the potential to reduce the prevalence and/or extent of obesity relative to what they would otherwise be.
7. Obesity imposes a burden on society.
8. Less obesity imposes less of a burden on society.
9. An incentive that has the potential to result in a reduced burden on society is a potentially useful one.
10. A tax that creates a potentially useful incentive is preferable to one that does not.
11. Taxing income does not create a potentially useful incentive.
12. Therefore, taxing soft drink consumption is preferable to an income tax increase that would produce equivalent revenue.
13. Income taxes generating revenue in excess of the potential revenue that this tax may generate would still exist even if we eliminated all inefficient government expenditures.
14. Imposing this tax would thus reduce the necessary amount of income taxation by an amount roughly equal to the revenue of this tax, regardless of the efficiency of government expenditures.
15. Therefore, this tax is a good idea.

Posted by The17sss on Dec-17-2008 00:23:

haha... you're an odd bird, Arbiter. Nicely laid out though. All true statements (Jerz the tax guru, can you confirm?). My beef is simply that I don't think the government should make those kinds of personal decisions. It can be a slippery slope

Posted by Slylee on Dec-17-2008 00:25:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Stupid. Anything can cause obesity if you eat enough of it...

that's not true. i am like a human garbage disposal and i'm still 5'5 110 lol

it's a genetic disorder and people are born with predispostions to being obese. it's sad really.

Posted by XaNaX on Dec-17-2008 00:29:

Posted by gehzumteufel on Dec-17-2008 00:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
that's not true. i am like a human garbage disposal and i'm still 5'5 110 lol

it's a genetic disorder and people are born with predispostions to being obese. it's sad really.

This is such bullshit. You may have a slower metabolism, or be more prone to gaining weight more easily than others, but you are not predisposed to being fat. They have not proven that people are predisposed to being fat.

edit//Also, most people who are fat have HORRIBLE diets.

Posted by XaNaX on Dec-17-2008 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
edit//Also, most people who are fat have HORRIBLE diets.

no shit you should see what the beached whale next to me eats. she brings in her lunch and it completely fills one of those plastic grocery bags. one day she brought in an entire cheesecake and sat there and ate it over the course of the day

Posted by Slylee on Dec-17-2008 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
This is such bullshit. You may have a slower metabolism, or be more prone to gaining weight more easily than others, but you are not predisposed to being fat. They have not proven that people are predisposed to being fat.

can i have proof of that?

and im not trying to be a smart ass, i'm literally curious. i know there have been lots of studies on it and shows (60 min, etc...) trying to prove it.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Dec-17-2008 00:45:

quote:
Originally posted by XaNaX
no shit you should see what the beached whale next to me eats. she brings in her lunch and it completely fills one of those plastic grocery bags. one day she brought in an entire cheesecake and sat there and ate it over the course of the day

LOL yeah I remember you talking about the fat cow.

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
can i have proof of that?

and im not trying to be a smart ass, i'm literally curious. i know there have been lots of studies on it and shows (60 min, etc...) trying to prove it.

Here is a good article about it. It even has statistical data. I am aware that the article is a little old, but I am looking for others.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Dec-17-2008 00:48:

Here is a VERY recent article (Sept 2008) that even says that the average BMI that you were likely to have in this supposed "fat" gene is 4lbs. It is from the American Medical Association.

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/544065/

Seriously Jamie, don't let fat fucks let you believe they eat well and still gain weight. They are full of horse shit.

Posted by Slylee on Dec-17-2008 00:52:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Here is a VERY recent article (Sept 2008) that even says that the average BMI that you were likely to have in this supposed "fat" gene is 4lbs. It is from the American Medical Association.

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/544065/

Seriously Jamie, don't let fat fucks let you believe they eat well and still gain weight. They are full of horse shit.

i just dont find that to be true at all. how come i NEVER have to work out in order to maintain my weight & body physique and yet i know people who have to have really strict diets in order to maintain their weight? some people have slow metabolism and some people have fast metabolism so of COURSE it has to do with your genetic makeup.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Dec-17-2008 00:53:

Posted by The17sss on Dec-17-2008 00:54:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel

Seriously Jamie, don't let fat fucks let you believe they eat well and still gain weight. They are full of horse shit.

HAHAHAHA!!! not only that, but to compound matters they definitely don't exercise. They've never met an escalator they didn't love

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Dec-17-2008 00:54:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
haha... you're an odd bird, Arbiter. Nicely laid out though. All true statements (Jerz the tax guru, can you confirm?). My beef is simply that I don't think the government should make those kinds of personal decisions. It can be a slippery slope

It's a very slippery slope....whats to stop the government from putting a tax on everything they think is not good for us. Next thing you know there will be a tax on heavy metal music because its the devils music, a gas consumption tax for those that don't drive environmentally friendly vehicles, a tax on non-organic food, a violent video game tax, or an ammunition tax.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Dec-17-2008 00:56:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
HAHAHAHA!!! not only that, but to compound matters they definitely don't exercise. They've never met an escalator they didn't love

Yep. They are usually some of the LAZIEST people around.

Posted by Slylee on Dec-17-2008 00:56:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Metabolic performance has a HUGE effect on how you process and digest food. As I said, some people are more prone to gaining weight more easily than others or have a slow metabolism, but you are NOT prone to being obese.

Jammers, I am in a family of fat fucks. EVERYONE with the exception of my sister and myself, at least on my egg donors side, is fat.

"prone to gaining weight more easily" and "prone to having a slower metabolism than others" = PRONE TO BEING OBESE

lol

Posted by The17sss on Dec-17-2008 00:56:

Posted by XaNaX on Dec-17-2008 00:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
i just dont find that to be true at all. how come i NEVER have to work out in order to maintain my weight & body physique and yet i know people who have to have really strict diets in order to maintain their weight? some people have slow metabolism and some people have fast metabolism so of COURSE it has to do with your genetic makeup.

yes but you don't turn into a 300 lbs human pig just because your metabolism is slow. if you had a slow metabolism you would either eat less or exercise to compensate or you would carry an extra 25 lbs. But you are not picking up an extra 150 lbs because of your metabolism, maybe in very rare cases because of some thyroid issues or something. If you really watch what someone who is morbidly obese eats over the course of an entire day you realize why they are that fat. I have seen this bitch who sits next to me literally wrap a stick of butter in a piece of bread and sit there and eat that

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
please tell me you're kidding. does she realize that people can see her? Is her desire for all things caloric overpower her will to care? What else have you seen her gobble down?

well, in addition to the butter sandwich she does shit like if you are at lunch with her she orders something really small, I guess to make it look like she doesn't overeat. But then when she gets back to herself she will eat half a bag of oreos. god I have to stop thinking about that shit its making me sick

Posted by gehzumteufel on Dec-17-2008 00:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Slylee
"prone to gaining weight more easily" and "prone to having a slower metabolism than others" = PRONE TO BEING OBESE

lol

That is not prone to being obese. That is called personal choice to get fucking obese. You gain weight, CHANGE YOUR FUCKING DIET!!!!! ugh

Jamie, I challenge you to find a fat ****** that was not fat out of their own doing. Not having a diet that promotes being thin.

Posted by The17sss on Dec-17-2008 00:59:

quote:
Originally posted by XaNaX
I have seen this bitch who sits next to me literally wrap a stick of butter in a piece of bread and sit there and eat that

are you exaggerating?? seriously, an entire stick of butter for real? LOL!!! What would you estimate her height and weight is?

Posted by XaNaX on Dec-17-2008 01:05:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
are you exaggerating?? seriously, an entire stick of butter for real? LOL!!! What would you estimate her height and weight is?

yeah i've seen her do it. i'd say about 5'4" and 300 lbs at least she is one of those people who is so fat they have an ass in front and in back

Posted by Slylee on Dec-17-2008 01:07:

all i'm saying is that i'm pretty damn lazy and even though 70% of my diet consists of generally healthy stuff (salad, pasta, sandwiches, etc.. and that's just because i happen to like that stuff, not because i'm trying to diet), i still have that other 30% of pizza, french fries, ice cream, etc... and i know people who gain weight by just LOOKING at stuff like that.

being naturally thin is something i never take for granted. i love food so much and i think it's such a tragedy when people have to really watch what they eat and turn things away like a sweet treat or a cheeseburger. it sucks. i would be fat for sure if i didn't have my metabolism.

Posted by The17sss on Dec-17-2008 01:10:

quote:
Originally posted by XaNaX
yeah i've seen her do it. i'd say about 5'4" and 300 lbs at least she is one of those people who is so fat they have an ass in front and in back

I bet she takes the biggest shits ever

Posted by iclone on Dec-17-2008 01:11:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
I bet she takes the biggest shits ever

i bet they float.

Posted by The17sss on Dec-17-2008 01:12:

LOL... no doubt. people that big must go through a roll of toilet paper every other day

Posted by iclone on Dec-17-2008 01:30:

i do, too, but i pee a lot.

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