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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi ^^ I hope when you say "these animals", you're not referring to all arabs/muslims. You're just resorting to the same level of name calling if you are.

no man, definitely not making a blanket statement. I'm referring to the specific faction (which is a decent sized population) that have nothing but unadulterated hate in their heart and value death more than life.

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Originally posted by The17sss "Arab Youths Open Fire On Israeli Workers in Denmark" we don't see roving bands of Jews in Denmark or anywhere else shooting at unarmed Arab merchants in shopping malls, either. These chants of "Down down Israel", "the Jews are Allah's enemies", and "Allah loves martyrs" simply reflect the short sighted thought process of these animals.

+1

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Originally posted by The17sss no man, definitely not making a blanket statement. I'm referring to the specific faction (which is a decent sized population) that have nothing but unadulterated hate in their heart and value death more than life.

True, real peace can happen when you love your children more than you hate the enemy.

Im not Arab, I was born Muslim but am now Agnostic. I hail from the North of Iraq(Kurd and Turkoman), and Ive met plenty of people in the UAE that have a hate in their heart for Jews..in the UAE, high school was different in that I never got any exposure to Jews, but I always saw them as people. Ive met people who since the time they were twelve have a predisposed view taught down from their elders that the Jewish baby is born dirty, a bunch of nonsense really.

but everytime I chill with a Jewish person(In canada), I cant help but notice how happy they become when they find out that Im not an Arab, but from Iraq. "Oh, Kurdistan, we're genocide brothers!" then its a cue to smack talk arab mentalities/politics for them usually etc etc.

It seems that there is large populations of hatred on both sides, to me the Arabs seem to be more vocal about, where as the Jews ive met can hide their feelings a little more, and be more politically correct about it, to me, that is.

I imagine these populations growing up, raising kids, and honestly Im not very optimistic. two very, very incompatible people on a political level.

this is a shitshow on both sides, point being
ORG RELIGION IS FUCKED UP. fucking holy land....theyre all semitic, brothers. sometimes I cant tell an arab from an Israeli

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi True, real peace can happen when you love your children more than you hate the enemy. point being ORG RELIGION IS FUCKED UP. fucking holy land....theyre all semitic, brothers. sometimes I cant tell an arab from an Israeli

Interesting story, thanks for sharing. I'm with you brother... organized religion in my opinion causes more problems than it solves, and if people see each other as just individuals the world would be a happier place. We have a lot more in common than not.

sorry... couldn't resist. This comes from a pro-Palestinian demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday, where participants wanted to show both their intelligence and their tolerance.

I wonder why this nice man wants to kill all the Juice in the world, juice is tasty.

I haven't been typing here for a whyle but thought I'd check out this board...

I won't get into the middle of this argument, the ones pro Israel: you're wasting your time trying to convince people who cannot be convinced and vice versa, let everyone believe what they believe, think what they think, put on your headphones and listen to some good music.

Peace.

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Originally posted by Scorchio I wonder why this nice man wants to kill all the Juice in the world, juice is tasty. I haven't been typing here for a whyle but thought I'd check out this board... I won't get into the middle of this argument, the ones pro Israel: you're wasting your time trying to convince people who cannot be convinced and vice versa, let everyone believe what they believe, think what they think, put on your headphones and listen to some good music. Peace.

....and that is the attitude that will change the world.

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Originally posted by The17sss sorry... couldn't resist. This comes from a pro-Palestinian demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday, where participants wanted to show both their intelligence and their tolerance.

both sides use human shields, so people gotta stop making Hamas look like they are the only perpetrator of this war crime.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi both sides use human shields, so people gotta stop making Hamas look like they are the only perpetrator of this war crime.

that's pretty weak evidence for your claim, and it isn't even remotely the same. i'll point out the three major difference for you since you obviously didn't pick up on those differences. Assuming those two were actually being used as shields:

1) the israelis were using palestinians and not israelis;

2) the palestinians were being detained, which raises questions about whether they were even civilians; and

2) the palestinians were being used to protect the israelis from rocks, not explosives. The most likely consequence of being hit by a rock is a bruise, not death.

They were protecting themselves against whatever weaponry the palestineans had, which were rocks at the time. It is the mentality and principle behind their actions..they were willing to go to such lengths to protect themselves from rock, so imagine what those INDIVIDUAL IDFers would do if they were getting machine gun fired or mortared.it seemed like a very unorthodox way to detain someone, they yell, kids go to the front with no cuffs with fear of getting capped, they close the door after being questioned.

But the point that you made is somewhat valid, they are hiding behind palestineans and not their own, which is what Hamas is doing, , which depends on the assumption that the enemy doesnt want to harm the civilians of the opposing side intentionally. This will work in their favor, and I cant say the same for Hamas(obviously, they practice terror, a complete disregard for the preservation of civilian life).

Nonetheless, it is still illegal practice, whether the shield is your own people or people of the opposing force

In ideology, IDF(as shown in the end of the video) is not to engage in such behaviour, but in practice, factions of the IDF have a bad track record for non compliance.

LOL, protesters in Iran are so desperate to hurt someone, anyone, that they tried to storm the Jordanian embassy. In Lebanon, Hezbollah (a proxy of Iran) supporters tried to storm the Egyptian embassy a few days ago.
Yet even the Hezbollah is opting to stay out of this war. Keep in mind that back in 2006 after Israel went into Lebanon and kicked the shit out of Hezbollah (follwing the killing and kidnappings of several Israeli soldiers), the Hamas decided to open a second front.

The Arab world is deeply divided over the situation in Gaza for 2 reasons: a) Most Arab leaders have closer ties with Fatah, and with Mahmoud Abbas.
b) There is growing fear amongst Arab leaders of Iran trying to strengthen its sphere of influence on the region.

Don't believe me? Then read this:
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=15213

Highlights from the article include:
"The only advantage to Nasrallah�s speech is that it revealed to the world what we have been saying the whole time: that Iran is a real threat to Arab security, as today it launched a war against Egypt, tomorrow against Saudi Arabia, and then the whole house of cards will collapse"

"Hassan Nasrallah, who made an appearance on Sunday to stir up the Arabs and Arabism, who is the same man who occupied Beirut and tortured its Sunni citizens along with Iranian agents"

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Originally posted by CHRles LOL, protesters in Iran are so desperate to hurt someone, anyone, that they tried to storm the Jordanian embassy. In Lebanon, Hezbollah (a proxy of Iran) supporters tried to storm the Egyptian embassy a few days ago. Yet even the Hezbollah is opting to stay out of this war. Keep in mind that back in 2006 after Israel went into Lebanon and kicked the shit out of Hezbollah (follwing the killing and kidnappings of several Israeli soldiers), the Hamas decided to open a second front. The Arab world is deeply divided over the situation in Gaza for 2 reasons: a) Most Arab leaders have closer ties with Fatah, and with Mahmoud Abbas. b) There is growing fear amongst Arab leaders of Iran trying to strengthen its sphere of influence on the region. Don't believe me? Then read this: http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=15213 Highlights from the article include: "The only advantage to Nasrallah�s speech is that it revealed to the world what we have been saying the whole time: that Iran is a real threat to Arab security, as today it launched a war against Egypt, tomorrow against Saudi Arabia, and then the whole house of cards will collapse" "Hassan Nasrallah, who made an appearance on Sunday to stir up the Arabs and Arabism, who is the same man who occupied Beirut and tortured its Sunni citizens along with Iranian agents"

What a twisted version of reality...

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi They were protecting themselves against whatever weaponry the palestineans had, which were rocks at the time. It is the mentality and principle behind their actions..they were willing to go to such lengths to protect themselves from rock, so imagine what those INDIVIDUAL IDFers would do if they were getting machine gun fired or mortared.it seemed like a very unorthodox way to detain someone, they yell, kids go to the front with no cuffs with fear of getting capped, they close the door after being questioned.

so you think IDF soldiers would hide behind civilians if bullets were being fired upon them? that's a pretty strong claim.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi But the point that you made is somewhat valid, they are hiding behind palestineans and not their own, which is what Hamas is doing, , which depends on the assumption that the enemy doesnt want to harm the civilians of the opposing side intentionally. This will work in their favor, and I cant say the same for Hamas(obviously, they practice terror, a complete disregard for the preservation of civilian life).

israel's biggest problem on the world stage is its perception among the world population. the last thing israel needs or wants is to be more brutal to civilian populations. that would only work against israel.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi Nonetheless, it is still illegal practice, whether the shield is your own people or people of the opposing force

crimes have degrees of severity. For example, killings are separated by degrees, such as first degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, and usually some sort of misdemeanor killing. putting two boys in front of a car so that their friends will stop throwing rocks in the direction of the IDF soldiers wouldn't even come close to the same as shooting missiles from a building adjacent to a school. The latter is along the lines of first degree murder, and the former is along the lines of a misdemeanor killing.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi In ideology, IDF(as shown in the end of the video) is not to engage in such behaviour, but in practice, factions of the IDF have a bad track record for non compliance.

correct - and in ideology, hamas operates among the palestinian civilian population, which makes hamas far more culpable than the institution that is the IDF.

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Originally posted by Krypton What a twisted version of reality...

i'm not saying the claims of chrles have any merit, however, when claiming his statements are inaccurate you would have much more credibility if you would put forth a supported alternative view.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 so you think IDF soldiers would hide behind civilians if bullets were being fired upon them? that's a pretty strong claim.

Not all soldiers....but it happens. in the second video i posted they are clearly using that guy to open doors for them, and were directing him around like a ragdoll. They were in close quarters and were anticipating possible retalliation

Israel managed to kill one of Hamas's most notorious leaders today. He was shot down and killed...along with 2 of his 4 wives(!!!), as well as several of his children. Not that he really gave a crap about his kids anyway - he sent one of them on a suicide bombing mission back in 2001.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i'm not saying the claims of chrles have any merit, however, when claiming his statements are inaccurate you would have much more credibility if you would put forth a supported alternative view.

W3rd.

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Originally posted by CHRles LOL, protesters in Iran are so desperate to hurt someone, anyone, that they tried to storm the Jordanian embassy. In Lebanon, Hezbollah (a proxy of Iran) supporters tried to storm the Egyptian embassy a few days ago.

Think about what all these protesters are protesting against. Did you ever even attempt to understand their grievances, or is this another right-wing diatribe about Islamists?

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Yet even the Hezbollah is opting to stay out of this war. Keep in mind that back in 2006 after Israel went into Lebanon and kicked the shit out of Hezbollah (follwing the killing and kidnappings of several Israeli soldiers), the Hamas decided to open a second front.

LOL, Israel kicked Hezbollah's ass? LOL, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? The IDF got POUNDED by Hezbollah and promptly retreated, WITHOUT their two captured soldiers. Funny, how they totally destroy a country over two soldiers which they failed to even rescue.

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The Arab world is deeply divided over the situation in Gaza for 2 reasons: a) Most Arab leaders have closer ties with Fatah, and with Mahmoud Abbas. b) There is growing fear amongst Arab leaders of Iran trying to strengthen its sphere of influence on the region.

Wrong, a vast majority of the Arab world is profoundly against Israel's blockade and destruction of Gaza.

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Highlights from the article include: "The only advantage to Nasrallah�s speech is that it revealed to the world what we have been saying the whole time: that Iran is a real threat to Arab security, as today it launched a war against Egypt, tomorrow against Saudi Arabia, and then the whole house of cards will collapse" "Hassan Nasrallah, who made an appearance on Sunday to stir up the Arabs and Arabism, who is the same man who occupied Beirut and tortured its Sunni citizens along with Iranian agents"

Iran launched a war against Egypt, and tomorrow Saudi Arabia? WTF is the nonsense?

lol my dad stormed the Jordanian embassy in London in the early 70's

Khalalallalalalalalalalalalalalalal!

Some of you kiddies are really bad at reading between the lines.
Yes, when Nasrallah openly attacks the Egyptian government via the media it pretty much means he's relaying an Iranian message.
And when students in Iran try to storm the Jordanian embassy it means that not only is there no Israeli embassy (there was one till the late 70s), no American embassy, or even an Egyptian one. Most of the population of Jordan is Palestinian so again it's funny to see how dumb these so called students are.
And when the Arab league is divided over an issue, and doesn't even blame Israel solely on the problem then it means there's much more going on here behind the scenes.

Now for Hezbollah. While technically there were no winners in the 2006 Lebanon war on Hezbollah, it was Lebanon and the Hezbollah that suffered most of the casualties, and that's in addition to how Israel crippled the Lebanese infrastructure. Israel also got more UN soldiers stationed on the border with Lebanon once ISRAEL AGREED to cease fire, not the other way around. Nasrallah hasn't been seen in broad daylight in over 2 years following this war - he's in hiding just like Bin Laden. In fact, the Hezbollah has been very careful not to provoke Israel since 2006.
Those 2 soldiers that were kidnapped were already dead the day they were captured. What Hezbollah ultimately got was a couple of hundred of their men back, AFTER they'd spent years in Israeli prisons. Hardly what I'd call a victory.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi lol my dad stormed the Jordanian embassy in London in the early 70's

You mean after the king of Jordan kicked the PLO out of Jordan? You know, when Jordan killed hundreds if not thousands of PLO supporters in retaliation for what the PLO was trying to do to the Jordanian government.
Yeah so, how did that turn out for your father? He really made a difference there, eh?

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Originally posted by CHRles You mean after the king of Jordan kicked the PLO out of Jordan? You know, when Jordan killed hundreds if not thousands of PLO supporters in retaliation for what the PLO was trying to do to the Jordanian government. Yeah so, how did that turn out for your father? He really made a difference there, eh?

calm down chrissy, lets blame John Lennon...and acid

I beleive the storming was after said events took place.

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