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Originally posted by diggerz

p ford indeed i prefer his darker stuff though unless its with thomas melchior (eg check your buddhah)

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Originally posted by nefardec i think the thing that bores me most about trance is that the tracks are usually mixed so flatly. there's no volume, no space in the mix, no dynamic change. the tracks are produced to be stiff and shiny.

Yeah, every element is pushed to the max with compression so that the frequency spectrum is flat. If you run a lot of older tracks through a frequency analyzer, you can notice that they are generally lighter on the high end, making them less irritating for extended listening (IMO). They generally don't have forty different perc samples all scattered around the stereo field with fancy delays...

That is actually one genuine difference between the late '90s epic and today's mainstream trance: the mixing. The tracks of that era were not nearly as super-compressed and flat as those of today, and they didn't engage in the same percussion overload.

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Originally posted by nefardec the tracks are produced to be stiff and shiny.

...Would this to be to your liking?
http://au.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLCWZIGd7IAg&source

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Originally posted by Neo95gt No, but you didn't experience any of it and you've only been exposed to the hits of the old. You're 19. I barely experienced it. I mean how many live events have you even been to?

You're right I wasent dancing at places like The Oman and E-Werk et etc. But I'm sure if I was I'd love music from that time even more, thats not saying all new music is trash. I just simply enjoy early Trance compared to almost all newer Trance.

I agree with PETRAN here.
It's that people changed that they declare trance as dead and boring and the early years as the best years.
Your taste, view and stance have changed, not so much the music itself.

And the hypnotic repetitive music you refer to as trance is german trance from 1991-1992, it's a blend between techno and trance.
The unicorns started popping out from 1993 onwards in various degrees.

For me it also has been a journey from when i started discovering christian dance up until now, where i mostly like certain modern trance tracks and find much from the middle of the 90s and before not really intriguing and enjoyable because of the lack of harmonic melodies working together.

YES, i love melodies working together harmonically.
Yet i want to see something new, something that makes me consider the track fresh and not just an emulation of previous tracks.
I discovered commercial trance when i heard Barbarus - Hold On.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9WET...feature=related

I became hooked when i heard the Signum remix of Alice Deejay's "Better Off Alone"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HP8LuR0sHxo

I never really loved Superstring, it grew too cheesy on me.
And the whole commercial sounding shit that i could get on CD was beginning to become stale and overused, so in the beginning of 2005 i nearly gave up on trance when i discovered the newer and more underground sound of Anjuna, Armada, etc. by listening to ASOT.
I quickly learned of other internet trance station and when ASOT became too dull for me, i permanently moved on.
In the last two years i've experienced some trance fatigue so now and then, but not as before and i know it's because much new trance is just rehashed shit.
Some gems are among the sea of shit, but that's alright, it keeps me from purchasing too much dung.

Other genres?
House has some nice stuff, but it's not melodic enough.
Techno is mostly not melodic.
Don't mention hard house, hard trance, hard style, gabber, terror, etc., i just hate the styles.
Ambient... where's that beat?
Electro can be nice, but it needs melodic harmony.
Experimental is too experimental for my taste.
D&B can be nice if it's more jungle, but most current D&B is too hard for me.

I nearly exclusively listen to trance because i like it how the style is, but i do like the mixup with other styles.
Call me a unicorn lover and a deadhead, but i most likely will keep liking trance as it is, just some of the new releases that is.

I have accepted that it doesn't matter for me when a track was made, but that it should be appealing to me.
Yes, i tend to dislike the "authentic" old tracks, but that's mostly because i don't like the harmonies between the different melodies and prefer "nicer" trance and because much of it sounds less well produced to me.
But still, if a track has the right elements, i WILL like it.

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Originally posted by basd You must have been doing an awful lot of clicking around to find a gem like this.

Nah, not really, i followed the following link and accidentally clicked on the right link:

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Originally posted by THE_MARSBAR For instance, what about : http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZzD7...feature=related ?

It's just that i love the track, but never knew who produced it, but now i know.

I never get why people always think that Jam & Spoon is trance exclusive group. Sure they did two good trancy remixes of Age of Love but they have always been leaning on the pop stuff (Stella, Right in the night, Ange) and even their later stuff such as Tripomatic Fairytales 3003 have never been especially trance-oriented.
It's the same with Mauro Picotto. You are just ignorant if you consider him being a trance producer. Just look at he was doing before and after producing Komodo, Proximus etc.

btw.
Here is a belter of a trance tune from 1992.
I challenge any producer of today to make a track as atmospheric as this one.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Thats noise on top of melodies! I will pioneer just noise thats melodic!

I would consider "Inside Looking Out" by Merzbow to be melodic noise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mind5HtIB_s

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Originally posted by RebeL9 btw. Here is a belter of a trance tune from 1992. I challenge any producer of today to make a track as atmospheric as this one.

I'm on it!

btw.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I would consider "Inside Looking Out" by Merzbow to be melodic noise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mind5HtIB_s

Ah Merzbow! Nice



The genre of Drone-Metal/Metalgaze is kinda melodic-noise...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfcsjyO72Sk


well its probably more melodic than noise but its heeavvvyy lol

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Here is a belter of a trance tune from 1992. I challenge any producer of today to make a track as atmospheric as this one.

I will do it. Eventually.

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Originally posted by Whirloop I'm on it! btw.

OMG is this a remix of that 80s Yello synth-pop hit!? Haha raped.


By the way i like how some of these older pumpin euro-trance tracks had those "bladerunner-ish melodies" and "action-sci-fi-movie-style themes" lol.

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Originally posted by PETRAN OMG is this a remix of that 80s Yello synth-pop hit!? Haha raped.

Yeah it's not pretty, but quite catchy!
Yello themselves are quite, how to say, funny...

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I challenge any producer of today to make a track as atmospheric as this one.

i trai

I don't find that good trance is boring. Only boring trance is boring.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Yeah it's not pretty, but quite catchy! Yello themselves are quite, how to say, funny...

Yeah they were damn funny and eccentric!





And because this thread has already turned into "post some cool tracks-thread" i'll continue with some more classic german trance tunes heh

I remembered this german hard-trance tune from an old trancemaster collection i had and thankfully i found it on youtube.Love the old-school trance-chords after 2:50. Very lush, pulsating and hypnotic


Annexia- Escalating Fantasy Part-1





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Exit EEE- I Laugh

Flash object embeds suck a big fat donkey dick. Please use links instead.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Flash object embeds suck a big fat donkey dick. Please use links instead. Thanks.

maybe your connection/computer sucks said dick

this is 2009

this thread still sucks.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Thats noise on top of melodies! I will pioneer just noise thats melodic!

fit your retinue out for me upon its fruition. i shall promulgate my critique of it.

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Originally posted by nefardec maybe your connection/computer sucks said dick this is 2009

I have the only kind of net connection available in my apartment complex, some shitty DSL. Not everybody can get or afford a fancy-pants connection. Also embeds make the thread unnecessarily long.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I have the only kind of net connection available in my apartment complex, some shitty DSL. Not everybody can get or afford a fancy-pants connection. Also embeds make the thread unnecessarily long.

i think there should be an option for removing embeds like there is for removing images in the TA forum options

(Did this topic explode or what....?)

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I never get why people always think that Jam & Spoon is trance exclusive group. Sure they did two good trancy remixes of Age of Love but they have always been leaning on the pop stuff (Stella, Right in the night, Ange) and even their later stuff such as Tripomatic Fairytales 3003 have never been especially trance-oriented. It's the same with Mauro Picotto. You are just ignorant if you consider him being a trance producer. Just look at he was doing before and after producing Komodo, Proximus etc.

Most weren't exclusive making one genre: eg Sequential One, DJ Hooligan, BBE, Faithless, Scooter.....
But it can be you just like them because of what they made in one specific genre.
Jam & Spoon's masterpiece IMO was certainly trance & hardtrance (not most successful though):

Link as requested...: Jam & Spoon - Follow Me

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Originally posted by PETRAN OMG is this a remix of that 80s Yello synth-pop hit!? Haha raped. By the way i like how some of these older pumpin euro-trance tracks had those "bladerunner-ish melodies" and "action-sci-fi-movie-style themes" lol.

I guess you never heard of the Hands On Yello project, more rapes...but check the names:
http://www.discogs.com/release/49798

Cosmic Baby, Westbam, Jens, Oliver Lieb, Grid, Plutone, Ilsa Gold, Hardsequencer, Carl Cox, Carl Craig, The Orb, Moby.


Another one from Jam & Spoon:
Link: Jam & Spoon - Hands On Yellow - You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess- Great Mission (Haus Mix)

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Originally posted by nefardec yeah, but who makes trance? it's PEOPLE, and increasingly it's the fans and those who grew up listening to the real stuff, and then listening to simulations of the real stuff, and then simulations of the simulations, etc...

QFTW

The main reasons i stopped listening to trance last year was because of all electroish (nintendo blip blop) & tech trance that was released, all my favorite producers started to produce this & i rarely found anything that was worth listening to anymore. Today i listen to maybe 5-10 % electronic music, i discovered metal & rock instead.

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Originally posted by trancedanne The main reasons i stopped listening to trance last year was because of all electroish (nintendo blip blop) & tech trance that was released, all my favorite producers started to produce this & i rarely found anything that was worth listening to anymore. Today i listen to maybe 5-10 % electronic music, i discovered metal & rock instead.

surely there are still loads of supersaws and angelic vocals on ASOT?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 surely there are still loads of supersaws and angelic vocals on ASOT?

yeah so i guess thats what im after then?

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