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Posted by Jake Benson on Apr-14-2009 17:33:

Posted by nchs09 on Apr-14-2009 17:33:

quote:
Originally posted by punjabi
I'm baffled by how many of you are getting upset at people who are against gay couples "having" kids. It's a travesty. How do you explain to a 5 year-old why he has 2 dads? Seriously...give me an exact quote of what YOU would say if you were in that situation. Any child raised with 2 gay parents will be horrendously fucked up.
Add this one to "fail" posts in this thread.

Posted by boris_the_bear on Apr-14-2009 17:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Jake Benson
I just proved you wrong by giving an example.

No, you haven't. Sorry.

Posted by weymouth on Apr-14-2009 17:35:

In a purely political sense homosexuals should be allowed to adopt as long as they pass the same intense screenings that heterosexuals have to go through. In a purely personal/opinionated way I would prefer a child to be raised in a heterosexual environment.

I can separate what is needed from a political stand point and what I feel as a person from a moral or cultural perspective.

Posted by winston on Apr-14-2009 17:35:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
Add this one to "fail" posts in this thread.

STFU MARIO YOU ARE NOT EVEN RELEVANT YOU GUAT SHIT, YOU CAN'T EVEN FORMULATE A SOUND STATEMENT. ALL YOU DO IS POST ONE SENTENCE OF UTTER CRAP AND CARRY AS IF NO ONE CARES, WELL I DO. SAY SOMETHING THAT EXPRESSES YOUR VIEWS IN COMPLETE SENTENCES OR DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL....

Posted by Nostalgic on Apr-14-2009 17:35:

I'm not against two fags raising a kid, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be that kid.

Posted by Sunsnail on Apr-14-2009 17:35:

quote:
Originally posted by weymouth
I can separate what is needed from a political stand point and what I feel as a person from a moral or cultural perspective.

Posted by Jake Benson on Apr-14-2009 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear
No, you haven't. Sorry.

There is NO scientific finding showing that kids with gay parents lead a lesser life than those with straight parents. I am however done arguing with you using logic. You spew out your ass, get flamed by lots of people, and CAN'T even come back with ONE logical rebuttle. Then you claim the opposing arguers aren't using logic. Not only are you homophobic, but now you're Eric Cartman. Congrats.

Posted by Jake Benson on Apr-14-2009 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Nostalgic
I'm not against two fags raising a kid, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be that kid.

And no one sure as hell wants to be you.

Posted by nchs09 on Apr-14-2009 17:38:

quote:
Originally posted by winston
STFU MARIO YOU ARE NOT EVEN RELEVANT YOU GUAT SHIT, YOU CAN'T EVEN FORMULATE A SOUND STATEMENT. ALL YOU DO IS POST ONE SENTENCE OF UTTER CRAP AND CARRY AS IF NO ONE CARES, WELL I DO. SAY SOMETHING THAT EXPRESSES YOUR VIEWS IN COMPLETE SENTENCES OR DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL....
lol LOUD NOISES

I fail to see how having 2 same sex parents will make things difficult for a kid growing up. Kids are opened to whatever happens, so if parents teach their children that it is ok for their friend to have 2 dads, it shouldnt be a problem. I guess the only problem the kids might encounter is if they have kids in school with whos parents have the same mentality as some of the poeple on this thread have.

Posted by Nostalgic on Apr-14-2009 17:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Jake Benson
There is NO scientific finding showing that kids with gay parents lead a lesser life than those with straight parents. I am however done arguing with you.

You're right there is no scientific evidence, but you can only imagine the amount of teasing/bullying a kid is going to get in school all the way up to high school for having gay parents.

Posted by Jake Benson on Apr-14-2009 17:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Nostalgic
You're right there is no scientific evidence, but you can only imagine the amount of teasing/bullying a kid is going to get in school all the way up to high school for having gay parents.

Only in Ukraine, rural America, and Muslim countries where parents teach their kids to hate gays. I can only imagine a place because thankfully I've never been there. Anyway, change your avatar you faggot.

Posted by colonelcrisp on Apr-14-2009 17:44:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear
Being opposed to gay couples adopting children does not equal being opposed to gays. Wanting children to be raised in normal families also does not equal being opposed to gays. Prove me wrong without all that childish "let's call him..." stuff. If you have no intention in holding a serious debate, just say it.

Punjabi asked a good question btw.

There you go. Another valid argument from a representative and a point for the gay community. You're doing them a bad favor though..

Your fundamental problem is that you don't consider homosexuality to be normal. They are not pursuing the right to marry or to adopt children to rub it in your face and be special, they want to be considered as normal people. and treated as everyone else is.

Gay people live in the same cities as we do, eat the same food we do, feel emotion and love in the same way everyone else does. Why does who they choose to love make them not normal? i know lots of guys that date / marry hideously ugly women, and i don't consider them abnormal.

There is no proof whatsoever that homosexual couples are incapable of raising children. so what if they grow up having two dads or two moms?

If you are opposed to your children socializing with children raised by same sex couples or schools teaching about homosexuality, then you can teach your children your own prejudiced theories at home.

Posted by bas on Apr-14-2009 17:47:

quote:
Originally posted by punjabi
Any child raised with 2 gay parents will be horrendously fucked up.

Why? No one ever has an answer for their statements.

Posted by idoru on Apr-14-2009 17:48:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
Why? No one ever has an answer for their statements.

Ignorance really is brilliant, isn't it?

At this point, I wouldn't even really bother with this thread. Hell, Boris never even really supplied an answer to my post. However, there seems to be a shift recently in states adopting laws that support gay marriage, so I'll just sit back and let these people "suffer" while people are allowed to live their lives. I mean, hell, look at all of the people who supported segregation and fought for less rights for African Americans during the civil rights movement; now, look at how many people seem to have gone, "Oh... guess it's not as bad as we thought it would be."

I guarantee you that that will be the outcome down the road.

Posted by nchs09 on Apr-14-2009 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
Why? No one ever has an answer for their statements.
I believe their reasoning is that other kids would pick on them. Something that would be a non-issue if the parents of those kids would teach them that there is nothing wrong with having 2 dads or 2 mums.

Posted by bas on Apr-14-2009 17:52:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
I believe their reasoning is that other kids would pick on them. Something that would be a non-issue if the parents of those kids would teach them that there is nothing wrong with having 2 dads or 2 mums.

I understand the kids getting picked on argument and I think it's complete horseshit. Kids get picked on for being fat, for having red hair, for having freckles, for being too skinny, for not having red hair, for not having freckles, for having a funny name, for having only ONE parent, for having no parents, for being adopted, for being a different ethnicity. Such is fucking life. What do the parents say then? I bet it's not, "well good riddance, he was born that way".

Posted by winston on Apr-14-2009 17:57:

Posted by boris_the_bear on Apr-14-2009 17:57:

quote:
Originally posted by winston
there are NO normal families, most families that I know are FUCKED; I'm speaking from experience here.

I partially agree with you. But I would consider an average heterosexual family more normal than a family consisting of two gay men. I think you will agree with me too.

Yes, homophobic parents will teach kids to hate gays. As well as racist parents will teach their kids to hate black people. That applies not only to Ukraine, but to any other country, including your own USA. And I am strongly opposed to these things happening because I see it on every corner of our society and it really upsets me. Not that I am offended by you picturing Ukraine as a barbaric country. It's just that this is another flawed argument from you. One of many. And it's childish too of course. I'll keep further comments to myself I guess.
I wish I could participate in this debate longer but I have to focus on my university studies now.
Looking forward to see you spend less time on tearing my persona to pieces and more time on a rational (Wikipedia-style) discussion.
Was nice talking to (some of) you!

Posted by winston on Apr-14-2009 17:58:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
lol LOUD NOISES

I fail to see how having 2 same sex parents will make things difficult for a kid growing up. Kids are opened to whatever happens, so if parents teach their children that it is ok for their friend to have 2 dads, it shouldnt be a problem. I guess the only problem the kids might encounter is if they have kids in school with whos parents have the same mentality as some of the poeple on this thread have.

LOL IGNORED...

Posted by nchs09 on Apr-14-2009 18:00:

quote:
Originally posted by winston
LOL IGNORED...
LOL NICE!

Posted by idoru on Apr-14-2009 18:00:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear
Looking forward to see you spend less time on tearing my persona to pieces and more time on a rational (Wikipedia-style) discussion.
Was nice talking to (some of) you!

Also known as, "I'm being beat to the ground, I really should leave before I embarrass my ignorant ass any further."

Posted by boris_the_bear on Apr-14-2009 18:03:

Whatever live a happy life!

P.S. being "beat to the ground" does not unconditionally mean that I am wrong. This is inevitable when a whole bunch of people argue with one or two people, regardless of which party is right. And hey, I didn't say I gave up. I just need to focus on my studying. I understand why you find that hard to believe - because I'm still posting well. bb

Posted by idoru on Apr-14-2009 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear
Whatever live a happy life!

Oh, I will. Here's to you leading an enlightened life when thirty and forty years down the road you look at all of the married gay couples and their adopted children and go, "Huh, this really isn't bad at all."

Posted by weymouth on Apr-14-2009 18:04:

Here's a question for you all and I'm wondering what you think. Can you make the argument that the evidence supporting negative effects on children that are raised in a fatherless or motherless home can be applied to a child with two fathers or two mothers?

Here are some examples:

quote:

Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, suicide, poor educational performance, teen pregnancy, and criminality.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics, Survey on Child Health, Washington, DC, 1993.

A family structure index -- a composite index based on the annual rate of children involved in divorce and the percentage of families with children present that are female-headed -- is a strong predictor of suicide among young adult and adolescent white males.
Source: Patricia L. McCall and Kenneth C. Land, "Trends in White Male Adolescent, Young-Adult and Elderly Suicide: Are There Common Underlying Structural Factors?" Social Science Research 23, 1994.

Fatherless children are at dramatically greater risk of suicide.
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics, Survey on Child Health, Washington, DC, 1993.

Boys who grow up in father-absent homes are more likely that those in father-present homes to have trouble establishing appropriate sex roles and gender identity.
Source: P.L. Adams, J.R. Milner, and N.A. Schrepf, Fatherless Children, New York, Wiley Press, 1984.

Children with fathers at home tend to do better in school, are less prone to depression and are more successful in relationships. Children from one-parent families achieve less and get into trouble more than children from two parent families.
Source: One Parent Families and Their Children: The School's Most Significant Minority, conducted by The Consortium for the Study of School Needs of Children from One Parent Families, co sponsored by the National Association of Elementary School Principals and the Institute for Development of Educational Activities, a division of the Charles F. Kettering Foundation, Arlington, VA., 1980

There are a ton of studies like this. The real question though is "Are these negative effects because of a certain missing sex in the family unit, which would cause some concern for homosexual families, or is it because of the absence of second loving parent?"

Does studies showing the absence of a fatherly figure in a child's life and the negative effects on that child have any bearing for the argument to keep the conventional family structure?

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